Update On US Military Accident That Killed Korean Woman In Dongducheon
|According to the Stars and Stripes a group of local protestors will continue to sit at the site of last Friday’s traffic accident. This group feels USFK doesn’t do enough to prevent traffic accidents:
Kang said he’s tired of U.S. military promises that officials will work to avoid accidents. He wants U.S. leaders to “take substantial measures†and “stick to them.â€
One idea, he said, is to restrict the movement of bigger military vehicles during peak traffic times.
I can guarantee that 2ID’s traffic accident rate is well below the Korean average. I have seen all kinds of accidents on these roads up here including one just yesterday I saw where a car took out a moped. 2ID puts a lot of emphasis in driver’s training. You have to go through a full week 40 hour block of instruction before being allowed to even take the driver’s test. When the soldiers take the driver’s test guess who tests them? A Korean official. The Korean official is the one that grades the tests and decides who passes and receives a learners permit. The US Army does not pass people on driver’s test the Koreans do.
Then after receiving the learners permit the soldier still has to receive 8 hours of road testing from the unit’s Master Driver before becoming officially licensed. It is by no means an easy process to get a license. Then just to dispatch a truck to drive off post there is a whole other set of procedures you have to go through that is not easy.
Then there are the procedures you have to go through for convoy operations. I once sat in a 4 hour convoy briefing with the Assistant Division Commander. Every driver and passenger in the convoy had to brief the General on his or her’s duties during the convoy. You really have to see one of these convoy briefings to realize how elaborate they are.
Then Mr. Kang’s idea to restrict 2ID vehicle movements during peak traffic times is not a good idea either. The traffic stays congested up here from eight in the morning till about seven at night. That would mean the military would have to work at night. I’m sure all the business and club owners in Dongducheon would love that. Anyway, at night accidents will still occur because of the number of drunk drivers on the road. In my unit there was a HMMWV that was hit by a drunk driver early one morning during a convoy movement when the drunk driver crossed the median. The drunk driver died in the wreck and seriously injured some soldiers. No headline news on that wreck.
I’m of the opinion that if military traffic is banned during the day then all the big trucks on the road should be banned during the day. I have seen numerous accidents involving the big Korean trucks but they don’t get put on the front page of the paper.
Here is something else I disagree with the protestors on:
Kang also blasted the process that South Koreans must use to request compensation from the U.S. military after an accident. Many South Koreans become frustrated, he said, because it’s too difficult — and takes too long — to fill out and submit paperwork for a claim he said usually doesn’t result in enough compensation. “The Korean victims cannot be compensated properly for all the damages,†Kang said.
Having worked a manuever damage control position here in Korea I can tell you we pay out big bucks to people for any property damage they receive due to 2ID vehicle accidents. It is by no means a difficult process. This is just propaganda Mr. Kang is throwing out there to smear the Army with.
What is interesting about this group of protestors is that there is only 2-4 of them out there when I drove by the other day. Not exactly a big following. In fact this whole thing has amazingly not been blown up out of proportion compared to 2002. Probably the fact she was an old ajumma in the highway where there is no crosswalk has something to do with it compared to two girls going to a birthday party getting crushed by a tracked vehicle in 2002. Though they to were walking on the highway.
I think a big factor that has prevented this from getting blown out of proportion was the quick action by the Army to show regret for what happened. Even President Bush gave his condolescences to President Roh the next day.
Also in 2002, it was only two years since the historic North and South summit in Pyongyang and many South Koreans began to feel the North really wasn’t that bad and that the US was the primary cause of tension on the peninsula.
Plus in 2002 you had the World Cup going on that drove nationalism to never before seen levels. This all combined into the xenophobic anti-American Hatefest that was 2002.
Now three years later it is obvious that North Korea is not a misunderstood cousin but a gangster state with their constant brinkmanship, defector testimonies, and lack of reciprocal benefits for all the aid that South Korea gives them.
Also the US is serious about removing troops from Korea. Many Koreans will say they want to troops to leave Korea but when it begins to happen people begin to drag their feet because the reality of no USFK begins to sink in. Even if they don’t want to admit it many people here in Korea still want us around.
Finally Korea’s xenophobia has been focused more on Japan than the US anymore due to the Dokdo and history textbook disputes. All of these things combined is what I believe has led to just 4 people protesting instead of the ten of thousands in 2002. Then again it is still only a week after the accident. Still plenty of time to begin a US Hatefest 2005.
GI, you are being a little disingenuous to your readers by saying that an USFK driver testing is being admitted by a Korean. Even though the test proctors are Korean, they are employees of USFK or are in some cases KATUSA.
Comparing the USFK's accident rate to Korea's general population's is a false analogy. Of course USFK's should be lower — with only 32,000 of you guys vs. 42,000,000 in the general population, you can't compare these two disparate groups.
A more meaningful comparison would be the USFK's overall accident rate vs. the ROK Army's accident rate.
I don't have any hard data on me, but the truth is that Korean people love it when ROK convoys and formations pass through their towns on the way to or from maneuvers. The reasons why, I don't know, but the fact that K-1 tanks are not known for mowing down middle school kids or yogurt delivery women is perhaps one of the reasons why.
Also, in terms of maneuver damage settlement, the way it was done in Germany when I participated as an 11B in REFORGER with my ARNG unit back in '87 was that every convoy seemed to have a finance officer along for the ride with a G.I. issue, padlocked footlocker of Deutsch Marks in the back of his vehicle.
Any maneuver damage issues with German nationals were settled on the spot with a minimum of paperwork and browbeating, with an immediate cash payout for whatever damage amount the civilian incurred to his property.
No haggling or heavy-handed tactics on our part, no filing of paperwork for the civilian except for the signing of some simple waiver (I believe) — it was that simple.
Personally, I thought this kind of SOP — i.e., giving the civilians the benefit of the doubt — was great for creating goodwill between the U.S. Army and the German civilian population.
Although I have never served in Korea, I have heard from others in my unit who had, as well as former KATUSAs that the process is very different, specifically, requiring the civilian to file paperwork and go through all the redtape and waiting before getting compensated. I have even heard of U.S. personnel try to dissuade Korean complainants from filing claims at all for maneuver damage they sustained b/c of all the redtape and filing requirements. I don't know if this is or was true, but if that's the case, that was not how things were handled in Germany.
I have worked manuever damage before and during one major field exercise I had access to $5000 to handle on the spot damage complaints. The problem is that people try to blame the army for damage that was not the army's fault to make a quick buck. If it is a fender bender with a HMMWV it is easy to work out. However, when a farmer says some of his red peppers drying along the side of the road was run over by a HMMWV without any proof and wants a bunch of money is compensation who do you believe when the convoy that drove through area reports they did not run over any peppers. That is where it gets tricky and money will not just be handed out.
He is a USFK employee but he still has the right to deny anyone a driver's license. With the number of soldiers and NCOs I have seen fail his test it is not overly easy to pass. When I took the test I studied the book they give you that explains Korean traffic laws. I passed without a problem. The point I'm making it is not SGT Tentpeg hooking up his buddies with licenses even though they couldn't pass a test. It is a qualified Korean national giving out licenses.
If you had served in Korea, you would know that the lack of integrity of the people here makes it a very different situation than Germany. There is no level of dishonesty too low for a Korean to stoop to if money is to be gained.
I was rear-ended in Uijeongbu, and the guy who rear-ended me had the nerve to say I shifted into reverse at the stoplight and backed into him. He was prepared to tell this to the police until I cursed him out in Korean and called "bullshit" on his lie.
By the way, solatium for accidental death is speedy and requires minimal hassle on behalf of the victim's family.
I concur: Cash payments for quick settlement to the public may be a good policy in Germany — but, not in Korea.
Korean pedestrians are notorious for jumping in front of vehicles driven by other Koreans just to obtain compensation money. Some say a Korean taxi driver's main job is attempting to create a fender bender with another car — to extort a quick settlement. Transporting passengers is his part-time job.
Germans are part of Western civiliation. Koreans are Asian tribalists: Apples and oranges.
Good news is that the koreans you love so much will be protesting and showing you dumbass GIs that they hate you. I think its great that the korean will be shitting on you. You assholes spend all day kissing koran ass when you should realize that they hate your fukcing guts.
I have no sympathy for you assholes. Only when you qit kissing korean ass will i have any respect for you. Until then you get what you deserve.
I think shingles was the Korean who rear-ended me in Uijeongbu.
Sillysally, you're wrong. You should have said "Germans are civilized Western whites, Koreans are inferior Asian fuglies". Now that's more to the point, instead of beating around the bush.
Hey why argue, just leave the place. Let them screw each other. Theres so much corruption, cheating, stealing from each other, who needs that type enviroment?? When citizens have to walk down the highway vs a sidewalk, its obivous the govt doesnt care about their people. And whats with this stupid idea about, we cant leave Korea because we cant?? BS! We left Germany high and dry, and that hurt, from neary 350k soldiers and family members to less that 50k.
Are you even aware how many auto insurance related frauds there are, in the US? Korea doesn't even come close.
You US imperialist running dogs are all the same. You murder the Korean people by the bushel and you want them to say "thank you" in return.
You are truly the most heinous beings in the universe.
That accident was no accident at all. It was an attempt by the CIA to assassinate Dear Leader Comrade Generalissimo in order to further stifle the DPRK and its Juche-centered system chosen freely by the Korean people, and to prevent the coming peacefull Korean reunification under the Dear Leader's banner of Songun politics that the people of the south yearn for with all their heart.