Is the ROK Drop a Korean Hate Site?

Usually I just ignore e-mails critical of me and my site, but this time I figure I would respond and let people who read this site share their opinions on if I am a Korea basher or not. Below is a email I received recently, I won’t publish the name or e-mail address of this person because this person probably means well, but is sending me this e-mail with little information about me or having much of an understanding of Korea in general, and has obviously read very little of my site. So I will give this person the benefit of the doubt unlike what is given to me that I am a automatic Korea basher.

Here is the e-mail:

Hello! I have a few comments about your wesite.

You are obviously an American who has the typical supremacy complex. You feel that anything that isn’t socially acceptable in America, is wrong in other countries. This just shows how egocentric Americans are. I am sure that people who visit America have millions of thoughts describing how ignorant and rude Americans are.

When anyone visits another country, they should be respectful of their culture, not critical.

How would you feel if soldiers from another country, on the other side of the world, comes and tells you what to do and criticizes the way you act – I am sure that you would be angry, offended, disgusted, etc…

About your comments about Seoul… you have obviously never been to New York City, Los Angeles or Chicago. When you describe the problems in Seoul, you would find those same problems in any major city in America.

Gee, Koreans are learning English.. what morons! If you aren’t aware of this… English is the accepted universal language. It is the business language that connects the world. If you have ever taken the time to visit other countries, you will realize that any country that keeps up with the ever-changing global community, learns English. As for their speaking abilities, have you ever tried to learn another language fluently enough to hold a conversation?? If you aren’t aware of this, English is one of the hardest languages to learn and master. In America, we have citizens (who are born and raised here)Â that still can’t speak English correctly. Also, the best time to learn a foreign language is when you are young.

Now, you are probably thinking that I am a pompous Korean… big surprise!!! I am American, who is ashamed that you are the representation of an American GI. You are the reason why everyone else thinks that Americans are stupid.

While I appreciate your ideas and opinions, because everyone has their right to their opinions, please take mine with the same feeling.

I find it interesting when I am accused of having a supremacy complex when the person accusing me is the one saying that Koreans must learn English to be successful in the world. If that isn’t a sign of a supremacy complex I don’t know what is. Obviously this person hasn’t been reading my blog very long.

I have long been saying that Koreans shouldn’t put so much emphasis on children to learn English especially if the emphasis isn’t on speaking ability. Koreans that study English learn to read and write well but have poor speaking skills. If a nation is going to put an emphasis on English than at least emphasize speaking ability. The best and brightest of Korean males are selected to serve as KATUSA soldiers with the US Army in Korea to complete their mandatory service. Many of them when they come to the unit do not speak English well even though they have been studying it since they were little kids. The unit has to train these soldiers to become proficient in English and usually by the time they leave after two years of service they speak English much better and with more confidence compared to the years of English education they received from Korean schools and hagwons. I could take a cheap shot and blame it on foreign English teachers not doing their job well, but I actually blame it on a system that rewards memorization of words instead of speaking ability. I know very well how hard learning English is and that is why I think Koreans should not spend as much time as they do dwelling over learning it.

It is fallacy to believe that the only way to be successful is to learn English. I tend to think that Koreans can be successful speaking Korean, imagine that?  Yet, I am the American supremacist? Japan is no where near as English friendly as Korea and their educational system does not put an emphasis on English education as much as Korea and yet they are a major power in the world with world’s 2nd largest economy. They didn’t become a major power by having their kids coming back from English hagwons at 10PM every night.

I consider Korean culture to be their food, language, history, etc which is something I have never criticized. In fact on this blog I have highlighted Korean history a number of times and if all anyone has to do is look at the What I Like About Korea list to see the number of cultural things I enjoy about Korea. However, I don’t consider Korean culture to be throwing soju bottles and trash all over the beautiful Korean country side, or parking on sidewalks right in front of a no parking sign, or running red lights which has led Korea to be second among OECD nations in car accidents per capita. This fact has led Korea to lead all OECD nations in children fatalities from car accidents.

I also don’t consider the lack of concern for sexual assaults in Korea to be part of Korean culture. The South Korean government giving a billion dollars a year to North Korea in order to fund a regime that continues to keep 250,000 political prisoners in gulags and in turn causes North Korean female defectors to become sex slaves in China, while at the same time refusing to properly fund the US-ROK alliance which has been directly responsible for the development of the ROK for the past 55 years to be part of Korean culture. I could go on and on, but I guess I should ignore all these things because I am being undiplomatic?

As far as criticizing Seoul I almost thought this person was confusing me with Nomad. If anything I have been supportive of Seoul. I am a big supporter of the Cheongyecheon Stream project, critical of things that make the city look ugly, plus I have been strongly supportive of Mayor Oh Se-hoon’s attempt to green Seoul, and turn Yongsan Garrison into a city park. Plus I have complimented the city’s mass transit system including the recent expansion of the subway to Dongducheon. There is a lot to like about Seoul, but anyone who thinks Seoul is paradise on Earth is sadly mistaken. Go ask Nomad, he can provide the details.

Just for the record I have been to Los Angeles, Chicago, and New York and I’m willing to wager I have been to more countries than this e-mailer has been to states in the US. I can read Hangul and have a working knowledge of Korean. I would study Korean even more if it wasn’t for things like deploying to Iraq where I was immersed in Arabic among other countries I have been to for what I like to call combat tourism.

Additionally I have had plenty of conversations with foreign military soldiers stationed in the United States. There are thousands or foreign soldiers in the US either training at US military schools or permanently stationed at foreign bases such as the German Air Force Tactical Training Center in New Mexico or the Singapore Air Force’s flight training squadron at Luke Air Force Base in Arizona. I have had plenty of interesting conversations with these foreign military types and they have expressed criticisms about America to me, which I have always found interesting to talk to them about without accusing them of having a “supremacy complex”. I only became “angry, offended, and disgusted” one time with a foreign soldier when a Saudi officer try to treat me like one of his slave boys back in Saudi Arabia, but that is a whole other story worthy of a blog posting of it’s own one day.

Also, not for a minute did I think this person who e-mailed me was a Korean. Actually at first I thought great, another holier than thou Canadian English teacher sending me hate mail. I have had a few of those. (Note: I don’t think these e-mails are reflective of Canadians in general.) Why don’t Australians send me holier than thou hate mails? Anyway I really wasn’t surprised either when I saw something even worse, a holier thou American (English teacher?). Like I have maintained on this blog, the biggest anti-Americans are Americans themselves and the same thing is true with my hate mail; the greatest GI Korea haters are Americans. The e-mailer obviously has a low regard for herself with statements like, “everyone else thinks that Americans are stupid”. No, “everyone” may just think you are stupid.

This person seems ashamed to be American. It makes me wonder if this person is one of those types of Americans that walks around with a Canadian flag on their backpack? I have never hidden being an American, but I don’t rub it in people’s face either. I have spoken with many foreigners in many different countries that don’t agree with American foreign policy, dislike President Bush, or concerned about global warming for example, but the vast majority like the American people and want to visit the country if they haven’t already. It is possible to disagree with others and have an intelligent conversation without declaring the other side as being stupid.

I receive plenty of e-mails from people thanking me for creating this site which I really appreciate, especially from the numerous Korean War vets and retired soldiers that served on the DMZ before me. Those are guys I really enjoy getting feedback from because the soldiers in Korea today are carrying on a long tradition of service in Korea that started with those guys long ago. I also like answering questions from expats and soldiers that may be coming to Korea. There are people reading this blog right now who have e-mailed me questions about Korea that I have answered for them. However, if someone is going to send me hate mail at least read the site and then post the hate message as a comment on the posting you don’t agree with so I and everyone else can see it plus I can have a better context of what your gripe is.

I’m not a Korea basher and I consider Korea my second home. It just so happens that many of the issues going on in Korea are of a negative type. How can I put a positive spin on recent USFK issues? How can I put a positive spin on some of the nonsense going on with the anti-US groups? How can I put a positive spin on anything North Korea related? These are all major issues going on in Korea that don’t lend a whole lot to be positive about thus the blog reflects that. However, that doesn’t mean Korea is a bad place. Korea is country that has accomplished a lot that most of the world can learn from and hope to see the country do even more and that’s not stupid.

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Mark
17 years ago

You have to admit, though, it is hard to take off those rose-tinted glasses, but boy, once they're off…. 😈

Peter Pan
Peter Pan
17 years ago

That's the problem with looking at the world in absolutes. Just as it's Sea of Japan or Anything But, anyone and any site that mentions Korea either loves every last single bit of Korea blindly 200%, or it hates Korea.

No, this is not a Korean Hate Site, this is a site that focuses on the issues facing the American military in Korea, and right now it's not a pretty picture. If you don't like being criticized, fix the problem, and the criticism will stop. When it doesn't stop, that's hate, but right now there is plenty to criticize.

Peter Pan
Peter Pan
17 years ago

If you don’t like being criticized, fix the problem, and the criticism will stop. When it doesn’t stop, that’s hate, but right now there is plenty to criticize.

I should make it clear that when I say 'you', I don't mean you, GI Korea, I mean the people who think this is a hate site.

usinkorea
17 years ago

At least you don't get emails demanding to know why you are so anti-American…

I had to put a message at the top of my http://www.usinkorea.org site telling these idiots to at least read one of the issue pages before pounding out a heated message about how much the US has done for me and how I shouldn't hate the United States…

I knew the goal of informing Americans about the anti-US culture in Korea was pretty much an exercise in futility from the start — but damn….

Bob Walsh
Bob Walsh
17 years ago

Usually when you get feedback like that, it's from a person who has spent relatively little time in Korea, probably doesn't speak the language or know the culture that well themselves, and still owns a copy of the "We Are the World" album.

They're all about cultural relativism, or some silly shit like that.

If you sent this guy to Iraq, he'd be shrilly decrying the GI's lack of cultural sensitivity towards Hajji's right up until the moment he was beheaded, maybe even hold the knife while the guy was putting a fresh tape into the video camera.

GI Korea
17 years ago

usinkorea,

I was actually thinking about you when I decided to post this because I know about the hate mail you get as well. These people should at least take the time to read the site and then leave a comment instead emailing me a rant.

Bob,

I tend to think the same thing. This person has probably not spent as much time in country as the rest of us have and sees everything in Korea as being flawless and anyone critical of any aspect of Korea as a Korea basher.

usinkorea
17 years ago

Anybody who has been around the K-blogs for some time will most likely have seen —– I absolutely hate the "guest" analogy – whether applied to foreigners in Korea or in the US.

It is particularly irritating when thrown at you when you are saying things Koreans say amongst themselves about problems in their society.

If a foreigner wants to complain about the drug culture in the US, health care expenses, and whatnot — fine. If they are doing so just to rant and rave and have an overall very negative view of the US, we can deal with that when we see it, but more often than not, the expats are complaining about things native citizens also recognize as a significant problem…

Tim
Tim
17 years ago

I, for one, am an avid GIKorea supporter and no, I don't think that this is a Korean hate site. I remember a quote I heard somewhere that states that "if you are not getting criticized, you're not doing something right."

I, myself, lived in Korea on and off from 1983 to 2000 being stationed there 3 times. I've lived in Seoul and in the country down around Pyongtaek. I also travelled extensively around the country as GIKorea has done. I've experienced everything from the nightmares of living in Seoul to the quiet serenity of living in Pyongtaek. I've experienced Korean culture to the fullest extent and can speak the language and interact with its people. I've found many things that annoyed me but I've also learned to understand why things are the way they are in Korea. This is one of the main problems I find with people of any culture that visit another country. They find time to criticize but they don't take the time to learn why.

I could make a lot of anti-US people in Korea happy by starting my own blog about why I hate America and why I chose to abandon my home country for now because of its "me-centric" culture. That's my main concern about American society today.

However, I digress, I would like to jump on the "I love GIKorea" bandwagon and let you know that you are doing a good job, and a balanced one too, exposing issues of interest to not only the GI community but also to the Korean community as well. Keep up the good work GIKorea and thanks for your occasional bulletins about my blog here. OOOOH RAH!, Semper Fi, Anchors Aweigh, and To the Blue, to you!!!

Tim in Angeles sendzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Sonagi
Sonagi
17 years ago

"This person seems ashamed to be American. It makes me wonder if this person is one of those types of Americans that walks around with a Canadian flag on their backpack?"

🙂 Was the sender Rick Ruffin, perhaps? Sure sounds like him.

Haisan
Haisan
17 years ago

I would not waste your time worrying about idiotic emails like that. I disagree with a lot of your political positions, but it is obvious your positive feelings (and general rationality) about Korea.

lcgrant
lcgrant
17 years ago

You have some interesting topics that are discussed and we have agreed to disagree on somme things, but a Korea hate site this is not. I was thinking Rick Rufffin too, but since you said she, what can I say. Take care, and be safe in all you do.

Bob Walsh
Bob Walsh
17 years ago

I had gone to Yeonsei (for level 6) for the 1st time in 1989, after 6 years in Korea. In the same building at KLI, I used to get into bitch-fights with knuckleheads like the one who wrote you this piece of supercilious tripe.

I used to really enjoy it when it was coeds Muffy Park or Skippy Kim from Orange county or Scarsdale, who had come back to Korea to learn their own language for the first time since they were toddlers. I'd love it when they's tell me how ignorant I really was about the "real Korea", and how I had "probably never met a true Korean in my life".

This was usually my cue to start relating to Muffy and Skippy the story of getting thrown out of some $15 dollar hooker's hootch in Yongjugol at 2 a.m., for the simple and innocent sin of wanting to eat her diseased snatch, only to find out that ajjossi had stolen my shoes. And then find out later that I'd come down with crabs AND the drip. This all by way of telling them about the "real Korea". If other Korean-speaking GI's were in earshot, they would usually try -and occasionally succeed- at 'topping' that one.

"Yes, Muffy, I tell you this broad had nipples like two Vienna sausages, but the smell of pepsodent brushed over kimchi breath is just like an aphrodesiac for me now…"

The KLI instructors also had little patience for Muffy and Skippy, either. The only kypo's they seemed to like, oddly enough, were those from Japan, because they were polite, hard-working, and didn't give the instructors any lip.

GI Korea
17 years ago

Everyone, thanks for the support. I definitely wouldn't be up keeping this site if I hated Korea.

I look forward to continuing to discuss topics of interest with everyone on this site. I think I learn just as much from commenters about Korea as I do from researching on topics to post about.

Bob, the Muffy and Skippy story had me LMAO. 🙂

a-letheia
a-letheia
17 years ago

I had noticed that your "Things don't like about Korea" seemed to get the nastiest responses on the old blog, and this section seems to be what the emailer is referring to. While you are generally quite balanced–almost innocuous– in your views, no one in passing through is going to take time to see the complexities of your arguments. Rather, most will simply see that (a) an American and (b) soldier (that's 2 strikes, you know) is being critical of another culture. Of course, they never seem to bother with "things I like about Korea".

I guess what I am saying is that–Korean, American or otherwise– this kind of reader is looking for something to hate about you. The aforementioned section, in spite of the disclaimer, serves it right up for them. Too be honest, that section–funny and true as it is–seems to be beneath the genuine dignity of this blog and seems to run counter to the aim of blogs in general, which I guess is to understand and not merely judge.

Anyway, that is my take on the situation. I appreciate the work you put into this blog.

Sonagi
Sonagi
17 years ago

@Bob Walsh:

Disgustinging funny! 🙂

James
James
17 years ago

GI Korea:

Welcome to the club, dude! #high five#!

I get e-mails saying my site is
-anti-Korean
-anti-Japanese
-funded by Japan's right wing
-sexually exploiting women

There's no shortage of losers out there on the internet, I swear.

Michael Sheehan
Michael Sheehan
17 years ago

GI,

You're spending (wasting?) too much energy in responding to a 'drive-by shooting'.

Bob Walsh 'got it right' in his comment about the 'We Are the World' album.

Bob Walsh
Bob Walsh
17 years ago

I think that what the emailer should have taken into consideration is the simple fact that GI's in Korea are NOT guests.

And commanders in USFK need to appreciate the fact that their troops are NOT in Korea to be some sort of goodwill ambassadors.

GI's don't enlist to be diplomats, they enlist with the fond hope of going out and killing foreigners, if they are worth their salt, and their heart is in the right place. If they wanted to be in Korea as diplomats, they would have done what it takes to pass the foreign service exam.

GI's in Korea are there because the Army orders them to go. The Army tells them to go beause our political leaders make and keep commitments to defend Korea.

That having been said, the best that Koreans and commanders can hope for is that GI's respond to encouragement not to be collaterally damaging assholes while out in public.

Tim
Tim
17 years ago

Comment to Bob Walsh: I, too, went through level 6 at KLI at Yonsei. I was there in 1990-91 when they transferred to the new building off the back of the campus near E-Hwa. I remember many a Jemi-kyopo and how they acted. I did find one, a girl, who was willing to accompany me on a tour of the seedier side of Korea. It was a real eye opener for her because she tried to walk into a juicy bar by herself while I was getting some munchables from the roadside vendor and was told she couldn't go in unescorted. Fortunately I got there before she pulled out her U.S. passport and attitude.

GIKorea, just keep on keepin' on brother. You do a good thing with no other compensation than the satisfaction you get out of doing it. Good work.

Tim in Angeles sendzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

H Stowell
H Stowell
15 years ago

I just found your site and reading your post was quite interesting. I am planning to travel back to Korea in March of 2009. I saw in your post that you can now go by subway to Dongducheon? Is this correct? I spent two tours at Camp Greaves in the 1970's with the 1/31 INF and the 2/9 INF and took part in Operation Paul Bunyan so I'd like to visit some old stomping grounds to see the changes. Is Camp Casey still located at Dongducheon? Thanks for any info.

Marcus Ambrose
Marcus Ambrose
15 years ago

I've been in Korea for 17 years. And the bottom line as I see it:

Bad

1) I hate when people say "Koreans are nice once you get to know them". Why would you have to know someone in order to NOT push them or be an ass? Umm, can't you just be nice in general?

2) There's way too much misplaced pride. Korean-American wins a sports tournament: Front page news as if they won a war. And if they lose…they hold on to the grief forever (short track loss to Ohno).

3) Admit you have problems. Don't give me the "we are perfect" crap or act insulted if someone points out issues. Hey, the US has drug and crime problems, what a shock. Korea has problems too. What a shock. Accept it,and be proud of the good points, not pissed over bad points.

4) Korean Arrogance in other countries. Hello, if you want us to respect your culture in Korea, then why don't you respect other cultures when you are in the U.S., or Philippines, or Thailand, or Canada, or……………

5) To hear a Korean say "We are pure blood". Yeah, right. See #2,3, and 4. Oh, and BTW I think there's a lot of Chinese and Japanese blood in there as well. Don't hate it, don't deny it, just accept it and don't make a false claim.

6) "Hangul is such a language that can make any sound in the world". Ok, how about Family and not hwamily? No F in hangul, right? Again, so what. You have a language and a culture, but don't say stuff that isn't true.

Good

1) Infrastructure including roads, power, and data. One of the best in the world.

2) Sightseeing: SorakSan, Chejudo, Chiaksan, and many many more

3) Gyeongju: Everyone should visit there and truly experience the 5,000 years of history in this land. I never felt the history until I saw the huge burial mounds there. You can even go in them! Learn about the Shilla, Paekchae, and Koguryo dynasties. http://www.asianinfo.org/asianinfo/korea/history/
4) Girls: Prettiest in the world by far

5) Improvement: Everything from cars that used to be no one would buy, to roads that were shitty just 10 years ago, to manufacturing that was cheap but not good; until today when Korean is the world leader in a lot of these things.

6) Public transportation: You can get anywhere and cleanly and safely. Best in the world.

So, just a quick 6 for and 6 against. I encourage all of the readers here to be a little more open minded, and not so quick to defend Korea or hate Korea or love Korea. Like the writer said above, it's not absolute. Quit drinking the koolaid………….see both sides of the arguments, and argue the point don't insult.

Mad Newfie
Mad Newfie
15 years ago

Hey GI,

Keep up the good work.. one thing I can count on while visiting your site is to get the unbiased truth about what's going on in Korea..I have never witnessed any Anti-Korean blogging since I've been coing to visit..so.. someone gets pissed off 'cause they dont know how to interpret issues..? People are shitty all around..just so happenes.. we are in Korea..what ever..Bob walsh..? yer a madman.. I wanna roll with you..

High speeg Low drag troop,,

Mad newfie….

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