Koguryo Controversy Makes US Headlines

What´s the problems with protecting our "small" pride. At least we have one.

Korean history is 5000 years old or roughly 2000 years older then Japanese history. Korean history is much more then Koguryo only. You tell me that Koreans are not allowed to defend their own history?

Well ironically enough the Japanese constantly distort history at the price of destroying relations with China and Korea. Which incidentally makes you a hypocrite for accusing Koreans of hurting Chinese relations. Despite the fact that its China not Korea that is distorting and hurting relations. You truly live up to the chosun ilbos statement "abnormal japan".

And please dont talk about inferiority complex. You seem to have a fascination for lieing and distorting history. Whats more is the fact that youre doing this on a Korea blog just to attract attention. An obvious sign from a Japanese national who is insecure about his or her own history. Talk about inferiority complex.

"Korean history is 5000 years old"

Oh boy, not again…

VG86 and Yu

Generally, Koreans are proud of the length of history.

History of Korea, culture, etc.

If the length of the history is accurate, it is no problem to be proud of it.

However, some Koreans try to fabricate the history to make it longer.

Most notorious case of fabrication is the history of Taekwondo, which is the national martial art of Korea.

Korean taekwondo association fabricated the history of Taekwondo as “Korean original marshal arts with 2000 year history”, and deceived people in the world, bribed IOC members, and made it Olympic sports.

However, after becoming famous, many foreign practitioners started to point out Taekwondo’s origin must be Karate, and taekwondo founders could not help admitting the true history.

This is an article of monthly Tonga to show the confession of the vice president of Taekwondo head dojo.

He confessed he has written the fabricated history of Taekwondo to make it more beautiful and longer.

http://www.donga.com/docs/magazine/new_donga/2002…

American Taekwondo instructor also wrote a report to reveal the lies of Koreans.

“Problems in the identity and philosophy of Taekwondo and their historical causes”

http://web.archive.org/web/20060221130520/http://…

I think fabricated long history could not be even "small pride".

toru

I agree with you.

I read the history textbook of Korea which is translated in Japanese, either.

So many farications!

Let me pick up one item.

The war between US and Korea at Kangwha-do island in 1871.

Do you know Korean history textbook mentions, “Korea defenders succeeded repelling American Marines”?

This is the translation of Korean history textbook. (Japanese only)

http://members.tripod.com/textbook_korea/7_1.html

This is a cartoon to draw that war. (Translated in Japanese)

This manga got a big prize in Korea.

http://enjoyjapan.naver.com/tbbs/read.php?board_i…

In 1871, America invaded Korea with 5 battleships.

But all of the ships were sunk.

Three American POWs who are hung from the fortification are crying “Oh, no! Help me!!”

A Korean solder says with a cigarette on his mouth, “That’s why I told you to go home.”

You know Koreans criticize Japanese often that Japanese government distorts history.

But if you read Korean history textbook, wow, it’s a fairly tale.

Yu

"The korean alphabet is currently taught in countries without own alphabet system by the UN becuase it is considered to be the more cientific and efficient alphabet system in the world."

Tell me.

What are the names of those poor countries which people are forced to study Korean alphabet by UN?

Jion99

Assuming that you are american, I think that you are not aware of the following facts:

1) American spacial technology is based on nazy technology of WWII. After defeating the nazis URSS seized the german rockets and all related hardwares to back their space technology. On the other hand USA took the scientists to USA to develop the "american" space technology. The majority of americans (and the world) are not aware of this fact, and they feel very proud of "their" technology.

2) The reports of the "medical" experiments conducted by the nazis in the camps and the japaneses in nankin were sized by the americans to develop their medical technology. Americans charge billions of dollar from the world using data obtained from assassination of thousand of people in europe and asia.

Why is it so relevant? Don´t point the finger to others. Don´t feel so superior ignoring your own weakness. I dont know if the thing about Taekwondo is true but mind your own problem and leave our problems to us.

Dr.Yu,

This textbook was published by Governor-General of Korea in 1923. http://park6.wakwak.com/~photo/image/h1.jpg http://park6.wakwak.com/~photo/image/h2.jpg http://park6.wakwak.com/~photo/image/h4.jpg

Korean kids all over Korea learned Hangul in public schools.

So your inferior neighbouring country, Japan, taught Koreans Hangul.
Truth hurts.

GIK

Koreans have a funny ambition to build the great Korean which includes not only North Korea but also Gando of Chinese north east.

The controversy of Koguryo is not the matter of history only but the matter of sovereignty of Manchuria.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gando

Chinese government must be nervous about this matter because Korean-Chinese is the biggest minority in China.

As for this controversy, Korea is not a victim, either.

Koreans are destroying the relationship with China for their ridiculous obsession of ancient history as they are with Japan.

BTW, sonagi made a complimentary remark for you.

Are you proud of it?

Hey tofu,

"So your inferior neighbouring country, Japan, taught Koreans Hangul. Truth hurts."

You are right that japan is inferior to korea.

You forgot to mention that japanese government forgabe koreans to speack korean language during japanese occupation of korea. You also forget to mention that japan also forgabe koreans to use their korean name and were forced to adopt japanese name.

Why? they knew the importance of korean culture for japanese culture and wanted to erase this fact from the world and the koreans mind. Japan wanted to eliminate korean culture.

So …. that´s why we koreans fight to protect our culture againts liers and jealous poeple like you.

Sayonara !!!

Jion666

"Koreans have a funny ambition to build the great Korean which includes not only North Korea but also Gando of Chinese north east."

Have you heard about the korean pyramids in Manchuria? This pyramids are proof of korean influence and domination of that region. Chinese government says that they were build by chinese people but deny international researcher teams to study the monuments.

If I were the chinese government and the pyramids were really of chinese origin I would open it to foreigners and pay for publicity around the world to boast that the chinese were superior to egypcians (they like to make publicity of how superior and admirable they are).

This fact reminds me the japanese government attitude forgiving foreign researchers to study the tombs of the japanese imperial family in order to hide the truth about the origin of the japanese imperial family.

Jion666, do I need to go further to tell you how the korean culture is superior to japanese culture? Please, don´t ask me, you know that truth already.

GI Korea

I like to tell you something.

I’ve read many posts of you.

I think your assertion is very insightful.

But I feel you must have obvious double-standard to Koreans’ anti-US sentiment and anti-Japan sentiment.

You are not satisfied with Koreans’ anti-US sentiment in spite of the fact American GIs fought for Koreans.

This must be one of your main motivations to make so many posts about Korean War, isn’t it?

You have studied a lot about No Gun-ri Massacre or Taft-Katsura Agreement and tried to explain that Koreans’ anti-US sentiment is based on the fabricated stories or misunderstanding.

However, when it comes to Koreans’ anti-Japan sentiment, you accepted the stories Koreans are insisting and conclude easily that “Koreans were victims of Japanese”.

If you know the tendency of Koreans who try to exaggerate or distort stories and use them for anti-US sentiment, it would be easier for you to guess that Koreans must do similar distortions against Japanese.

As for Koguryo controversy, you stand on the side of Koreans and criticize China.

I know you like to encourage Koreans to have hatred against mutual enermy, China, not against Japan or US.

However, main cause of Korea’s anti-US sentiment, anti-Japan sentiment, Dokdo controversy, and Kogryo controversy is Koreans’ ultra-jingoism and lies, not the faults of other countries.

You criticize Koreans only in the case of anti-US sentiment.

In other cases, you are cheated by Koreans easily.

If someone is cheated by Koreans’ lies about No Gun-ri “Massacre” or USFK tank “murder” and criticize Americans, what do you feel?

GIK

Thank you for your comment.

“I find the whole fight over minor issues between Japan and Korea, such as Dokdo and comfort women to be so insignificant compared to far more major issues effecting Koreans today such as human rights violations of North Koreans along with the sexual slavery of Korean women in China.”

Dokdo and comfort women controversy must be “minor issues” for you, as a third party.

However, dokdo issue is the national pride for Koreans and comfort women issue is the matter of honor for Japanese solders.

Though you have made many posts about No Gun-ri “Massacre” and tried to protect the honor of American soldiers, it must be minor issue for foreign people either, isn’t it?

“I have this suspicion you look down on Koreans and that is why you like arguing with them here. Likewise Koreans get to defensive when arguing with people like yourself and look at this thread what has anyone accomplished or proven? It is just a bunch of mindless yelling at each other.”

No.

Now, it is rather difficult to keep good personal friendship between Japanese and Koreans because of Korea’s anti-Japan history education.

Imagine.

If Korean teachers brainwash children about No Gun-ri “Massacre” or USFK tank “murder” again and again, do you believe Korean children would love Americans?

However, the exchanges of information on blogs and boards could break the wrong images brainwashed in school.

I have argued with Koreans for two years about history on Naver, and I believe firmly that it is not meaningless.

Two years ago, there were many Koreans who insisted Taekwondo must be Korea’s original martial arts with 2000 year history (the evidence is the wallpainting of Koguryo).

Now, there is no such kind Korean anymore except some Korea Americans.

Though you many feel that “it is just a bunch of mindless yelling at each other”, how can we understand each other without bitter argument?

“Today the new yangban is the Korean politicians slowly tearing down the country, downsizing the military and losing its only friends. It’s only real friend is the US and potentially Japan but minor issues are demagogued to the population by politicians for political advantage which are ruining these relationships.”

I agree with you.

DPRK has succeeded to use propaganda of “minor issues” including No Gun-ri “Massacre” or USFK tank “murder” to separate S.Koreans from the side of US and Japan.

Why DPRK could do it so well?

Because they knew how to deal with Koreans.

They knew that if they inspire the ultra-jingoism of S.Koreans, Koreans would go out of the control of US and kick their old friends out.

How can you crash Korea’s ultra-jingoism?

It comes from the funny pride of fabricated history.

“5,000 year history”, “the most efficient alphabet system in the world”, “the great Koguryo illusion”, etc, etc.

Can you help the stampeding Koreans without crashing their jingoism?

I like to crash it.

I remember you Jion. Robert of Marmot Hole banned you over a month ago, due to excessive amounts of trolling. I dont know why youre so fascinated with Koreans that you spend so much of your time on Korea related blog just to insult them. Whats your point? By 5000 years I meant 4000 years. I accidentally pressed 5 instead of 4. 4000 years due to recent findings and organized settlements back then. Japanese civilization began less then 2000 years ago during the Wa. When immigrants from the mainland civilized truly primitive Japanese jomon. And please dont mention anything about fabrications. Koreans do not fabricate history. Which is another reason why the whole world criticizes Japanese history rather then Korean history. I hope you realize that although TKD does have some karate influence(which in turn has influence from Chinese martial arts), Tae kwon do primarily stems from Taekyyon another Korean martial arts centuries old.

Japan truly enjoys fabricating its own history. Shinichi Fujimura for example made false discovery after false discovery in order to paint a rosey and fabricated picture of Japanese history. Lie after lie was spilled and introduced to Japanese textbooks, the end result being an entire generation of Japanese students being told lies. This went on for almost 20 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinichi_Fujimura http://www.asiaquarterly.com/content/view/124/5/

Mind you I can list several dozen articles criticizing phony Japanese history from western media outlets(BBC, CNN, New York Times etc). Jee I wonder why I cant find anyone criticizing Korean history books. Just because Korean text books paint the Japanese in a negative light does not make it anti-Japanese. Considering all the crap Japan has done in the past and all the crap it still does today, you shouldn't be surprised that Korean history views Japan negatively. Of course the typical Japanese response towards any Korea-Japan arguments is to immediately accuse the Koreans of harboring anti Japanese sentiment rather then properly discrediting the other side with evidence. If evidence does come out it usually comes from right wing Japanese opinion blogs.

Japanese students have no idea what true history is. Its no wonder why people like jion link to sites that deny Nanking or Japanese war crimes. Youre so caught up in lies that you no longer have the ability or the will to distinguish fact from fiction. Theyre are truly the product of Japans phony history education system and the lies they grew up with. Koreans have a far better understanding of Korean history then the Japanese do on Japanese history. Mind giving out examples of Korean distortions? Id like to see you try. You mention Gando, which ironically enough most Koreans do not know about nor does the Korean government demand China return it. Nor do Korean history books state that Gando is currently Korean territory. Get a clue. The Japanese are so ashamed of their history that they need to make things up or claim that it never happened.

Apparently South Korea is cursed with horrible neighbors.

Communist China to the west with her northeastern project which aims to steal Korean history.
North Korea to the North with her nuclear weapons and vast army close to the border.
Japan to the east with her lies, denials, phony textbooks, yasukuni and deceitful politicians.

Thank god South Korea doesnt have a neighbor to the south.

Tofu,

"jion999,
I think you and I already prove how Korean, not only irrational but also highly offensive.
Remember. We have an old saying “Silence is gold, eloquence is silver” (His silence speaks volumes)."

Before jion123´s first post, there was silence here. You guys wasted the chance to make gold, and by insulting korea without provocation you lost tons of silver.

There is an old saying in Brasil that says "flies doesn´t enter into closed mouth". Your "old" and "wise" culture needs to learn something from the "young" and "immature" latin culture.
Sayonara !!!!!

Sonagi

Oh, I didn't know you were a woman.

I enjoyed your comment.

http://www.dprkstudies.org/2007/04/25/gis-used-co…

If men had been like what you could understand, human being would have perished thousands years ago.

BTW, I like the story of "sonagi" in the Korean movie "My sassy girl".

GI Korea. The Chinese may have a claim on Goguryo history, though I suspect it arises from being conquered by the Qing. You might find Hyung Il-pai's "Constructing Korean Origins" of some interest. Prof. Hyung lays out the various schools and scholars who constructed the myth of the 5000 year history. For myself, the fact that the Korean people have 5000 years of history is as obvious as the fact that everyone else in the world has at least the same. We may have been Normans, Norse, Germanic, Celts, or whatever if we go back far enough, but all those strains added up to what Westerners are today. No one in their right mind would therefore argue that Koreans do not likewise have 5000 years of history. There is a good chance that if anyone ever recovers any 5000 year old DNA material from any mounds here, some of it will match that of modern Koreans. But some of it is also likely to match that of other groups. This is where the "5000 years" of racial purity assumption, which is wrapped into the "5000 years of history" claim by ultranationalists, fails. These gentlemen demand that everyone recognize an unbroken line of Korean nation-states going back 5000 years. According to Hyung, neither the textual nor archeological records will support such an assumption. That is likewise true for the Chinese. Of course, we Westerners are hardly paragons of reason. If is not hard to look around and find friends and aquaintenances who accept literal interpretations of the Christian bible that give many an old testament patriarch a longevity only slightly less than Dangun's.

Jion do you ever learn? Do you know why you were banned from marmot hole? You visit Korea related blogs soley insult Koreans and to make up more lies. Seems like someone has issues. Koreans did not start the Koguryo controversy. The issue began when the Chinese government openly declared another soverign nations history as their own.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_Project

Go read it up. How exactly did Koreans start the Koguryeo controversy? If the northeast project never happened there would be nothing to fight over. Your arguments doesnt even make any sense. Koguryeo is Korean and the people were Korean. The earliest Korean Kingdom/federation was Gojoseon. Gojoseon was a collection of several city states aka a federation much like Greece. When Gojoseon collapsed the stronger city states began to eat the weaker ones. Eventually three major kingdoms sprang up from the remnants of Gojoseon. Koguryeo, Shilla and Baekjae. They all shared common ancestry and sprang from the same Korean kingdom- Gojoseon. Shilla would later beat Goguryeo and Baekjae and unify the peninsula.

Do you know where the word Korea comes from? It comes from the Koryo dynasty(much like how China comes from the Chin dynasty) which was founded over a thousand years ago. The Koryo dynasty was also known as Hugoguryeo(which means later Koguryeo). Infact Koryo is just a shortened name for Koguryeo. And yes the Koryo dynasty considered itself a successor state to Koguryeo, many of the nobles were direct descendents to Koguryeo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koryo

Even the ancient Shilla general Kim Yu Shin who unified the three kingdoms stated that Goguryeo, Shilla and Baekjae all shared the same blood and should be unified.

When the Tang dynasty of China later came to eat up Korea, former Goguryeo citizens sided with Shilla to drive out the Chinese. Koreans over a thousand years ago thought Goguryeo was Korean and so do Koreans today. You mention that Koguryeo is Chinese, mind giving evidence or any bit of information to support your dubious claims? I bet you cant, youre only doing this due to youre prejudice towards Koreans. Koreans dont have any famous ancient sites? Would you please define famous ancient sites? Koreans have plenty of ancient sites and temples btw. Koreans are very proud of their history and their culture. It sure as heck beats Japanese history which consists of primitive hunters getting civilized by mainlanders. Followed by centuries of Japanese people killing and raping each other, as well as the occasional pirate/woku attacks on richer countries(Korea and China)until it was unified by Hideyoshi. Hideyoshi would later invade Korea only to get whooped by a true hero- Yi Sun Shin. After Japans defeat it would isolate itself for several centuries until America forced Japan to open up. This was followed by Japan copying western technology and using it to murder and colonize completely innocent people and countries all across asia for no apparent reason other then greed, Only to get nuked twice and then decades later to produce cars, cartoons and internet trolls.

Japan is so ashamed of its history that it needs to fabricate history. I challenge you to name a single Japanese person who could hold a candle to great heros like Sejong, Yi Sun Shin and Ulchi Mundok. I bet you cant. Western and Asian media alike constantly criticize Japan for distorting and white washing history. Yet they never criticize Korean history. Why is it that not a single major Japanese news paper or media outlet mentions anything about Korean history books or history.

Jion ABC

"Because there are not famous ancient sites in Korea which they are proud of, they go to China and Japan, and claim that those ancient heritages were built by Koreans."

You are right, there are no famous ancien sites in korea, but it is because the japanese burned them all during the occupation and even before that period, during the thousand of times that japan invaded korea.

I think we should ask for compensation on this as well from japan. Let's start the candle vigils ….

Jion 123
"It sounds like the same rhetoric that Koreans couldn’t find any evidences of Japan’s coercing Korean women to work as comfort women except shouting old women."

I´m sorry to tell you but there are lot´s of old japanese soldiers going to the media to "shout" about the comfort women, asking to be forgiven for what they did.

You don´t have to go far from home to find the evidences.

Japanese history is so shameful. It consists of primitive hunters getting civilized, samurais murdering each other for centuries, pirates and bandits who made a living off ot theft and murder, repeated failed invasions of Korea despite numerical superiority(the samurais were weak who could only fight other samurais), copying western technology in order to murder and rape people, being the first and second country to get nuked and later building a country in which grown men worship cartoon characters. Today Japan is a country which is losing international influence and is getting less and less significant each day.

Does Japan have any great heros? Im talking about real heros and not war criminals, mass murderers and savages like Hideyoshi and Tojo. Korea has an abundance of great heros, generals and people. Japan on the other hand has war criminals and bloody tyrants. Its no wonder why Japan is so ashamed of its history, that they need to fabricate a large chunk of it. 99% of Japanese history is nothing but shame. Why else do you think the world criticizes Japan over its phony history books and denials. Yet the never accuse Koreans of the same? I laugh whenever a Japanese person claims superiority over Korean, Chinese or other asian people because the Japanese economy is currently the largest. Japans economy is larger because they modernized/copied the west 150 years ago. Korea on the other hand only began modernizing(40 years ago). Even with this short amount of time Korea is beating Japan is several key high tech sectors and in a few years will beat Japan in several more. And yet the Japanese believe that copying western technology decades before other asians somehow gives the Japanese race some kind of genetic advantage and superiority over other asians. How absurd.

Gojoseon is a well established fact even historians agree. Only insecure Japanese nationals who wish to bring Korean history to the level of Japanese history believe that Gojoseon didnt exist or that Goguryeo was Chinese. What an insult to Korean history, dont you dare consider Japanese history to be on the level of Korean history. Archaelogical dig sites like Daepyeong located in South Korea shows early civilization 4000 years ago. Early form of agriculture, liaoling bronze tools, dolmen tombs and a society based on nobles and commoners. Rice culture in Korea developed almost 3500 years ago. Munmun pottery, shifting cultivation, megalitic burials and large population settlements. Pretty much what you would call a civilization. Other dig sites such as Eoeun confirm these findings.Id also like to mention that Chinese records from the Zhou and Yan also mentions the existance of Gojoseon. These records are very old, several centuries before Koguryeo shows up. Chinese records mention Gojoseon as a confederated kingdom made up of many city states. So there you go, Gojoseon is a fact, unless you plan on denying Chinese records as well.

You have yet to prove that Koguryeo is Chinese. I already gave evidence as well as that fact that Koryo one of the later Korean dynasties was the successor state to Goguryeo. They even named Koryo after Koguryeo. As well as the fact that the Shilla general who defeated Koguryro mentioned that Koguryeo, Baekjae and Shilla all shared the same blood and should be unified. Not to mention that the three korean kingdoms all sprang from Gojoseon the earliest ancient Korean kingdom. Or the fact that after Koguryeos defeat they considered themselves Korean rather then Chinese and would side with Shilla and Baekjae to drive out the Chinese. Every single western books agrees that Koguryeo is Korean. If you go to amozan.com or any libary and type in Goguryeo you will always get western books that connects Goguryeo to Korea rather then China. You have yet to prove any of your preposterous claims about Goguryeo being Chinese. Due to your complete failure to do so you blame it on Korean nationalism. Typical for an insecure person who hides behind their computer and makes one lie after another lie. If you cant find evidence for it, blame it on something else. Not surprising of Japanese people.

""I am sorry but I am sure most foreign people don’t know those three names.""

This isnt a popularity contest. One of the greatest naval commanders the world has ever seen- Horatio Nelson isnt well known amongst the common joe. Im just asking if you can name a single Japanese person who could hold a candle to great Korean figures like Yi Sun Shin, Sejong, Yushin, Ulchi Mundok etc. After studying Japanese history(the real kind, not the fabricated one), most famous Japanese historical figures tended to be barbaric samurai who loved boys and beheading peasants for practice. Way to go Japan.

Well mr. Jion… I mean Dan(why would anyone openly state their age and race for no reason other then to lie about who they are). Koreans do not suffer from a victim complex, its Japan who constantly re-opens old wounds whenever they accept phony history books, whenever their politicians lie, visit Yasukuni or offend the Korean race. The purpose of an apology is to ask for forgiveness and to show remorse for whatever crimes you committed. The Japanese definition of apology on the other hand is to offend their neighbors again and again. There is nothing Korea would like more then to move on. If Japan simply taught proper history then there would be nothing to fight about. Dr Yu did not state that Japan burned Korean history, he mentioned that Japan burned and destroyed several ancient Korean sites which is a fact. Even today Japan still has thousands of Korean cultural artifacts which were stolen during colonization. Other sites were destroyed during the Korean war. Several sites however still remain. Japan wasnt strong, they just copied western technology earlier then everyone else and used it to murder innocent people all across asia. Japan is nothing special, it never was and never will be.

Koreans are descended from the Mongolian stock(as well as other groups) not the Chinese stock. The Chinese stock doesnt even exist. China was the result of several different ethnicities conquering or getting conquered by the Chinese. As well as several others immigrating to what we now call China. Its like claiming that theres an American stock even though America is made up of several different groups. Another reason why I think youre jion masquerading as a middle age white male is because of statements like this. And please dont bring the VT shooter into this topic. Connecting Cho Seung Hui to South Korea just because of his race shows how ignorant youre.

"I have heard that japan lies in their school books, mostly about WWII. Understandable!"

According to you its perfectly ok and understandable for Japan to lie about its history. Your cover has been completely blown. You now believe that its ok for Japan to lie which shows your bias. You also mention that Korean history books lie. Mind telling me what these lies are and what text books they are published in? Or are you just lieing again? Korean text books do not portray americans negatively, its the exact opposite. We learn proper history from the Incheon landing to the Armistice to the modern era. Why dont you go to Europe and look at the soccer riots there. People die over something as pointless as sports. When Apollo Ono won the gold medal, Koreans didnt kill him. No, infact 4 years later he competed with South Koreans again. And the Korean audience didnt boo him. Korea is important, its the 10th largest economy in the world and is growing much more quickly then Japan. Japan posts under 2% annual growth, last year Korea posted over 5%. With the US-FT act, Korea will post perhaps over 6% growth this year.

I dont know why you mention hatred by using blogs or internet sites. Ok, so some Korean guy at some Korean message board said horrible things about the US. Big deal, I can find english sites that deny the holocause, make fun of blacks, promote terrorism and bash korea(occidentalism) does that mean the entire American population behaves that way? Whats up with the double standards? Considering how wired Korea is, its quite obvious that some internet surfers will say bad stuff. Quit acting like its a big crime, the whole world does it.

I will have you know that Korea is far better then lowly Japan.

Just take a look at our ruling class THE YANGBAN!!!
http://www.usc.edu/libraries/archives/arc/librari…

Coreans are a proud and noble race. THE MOST NOBEL!!! DO NOT STEAL HISTORY!! OUR ANCIENT PEOPLE WERE GODS AMONG MEN!! LOOK AT OUR NOBEL RACE AND BOW!!!
http://www.usc.edu/libraries/archives/arc/librari…

(samurai, sushi, kendo, toyota really came from Korea)

Dr. Han what exactly did that accomplish other then revealing how immature you are? Showing pictures of Korean who lived decades before anyone here doesnt really prove anything. Btw Sushi wasnt invented by the Japanese, samurais were weak and repeatedly lost to Korean warriors despite numerical superiority or the use of guns, and kendo failed to make Japanese great warriors.
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Jion whats the matter? Did you completely snap after getting shut down in the Koguryeo debate? You have nothing else to say and you know youve lost. Due to your insecurity and inferiority complex as well as your lack of debating skills you now openly insult Koreans despite it being a lost cause on your part. Just another cheap shot by a poor loser who cant accept defeat. If you cant defeat Koreas claims on Koguryeo then simply leave this site. Its rather obvious that youre Japanese due to your poor logical skills. From what ive noticed when debating with Japanese nationals like yourself is the utter abscence of any logic in their arguments.

Typical Japanese logic goes like this

Chinese: The rape of Nanking was horrible act committed by the Japanese.
Japanese: But Mao killed millions of Chinese thus you Chinese have no right to accuse us of murder because you also killed other Chinese

Another example

Korean: We disagree with the Japanese on this matter
Japanese: ANTI JAPANESE!!!! Why is Korean education so anti Japanese?
Korean: Uhh, im just disagreeing with Japanese claims whats your problem? Do you have blue balls?

Last example

Japanese: North Korea is evil, they kidnapped 16 Japanese people citizens.
North Korea: Your country has kidnapped tens of thousands of Koreans and forced many thousands to die in mines.
Japanese: But that was many years ago
North Korea: The same is true for the North Korean abductions.
Japanese: …………. ANTI JAPANESE EDUCATION!!!!

If you and your Japanese nationals lose a debate or fail to provide any evidence you immediately use the anti-Japanese card. This excuse is getting really old and losing its flavor. What makes the situation truly ironic is the fact that youre Japanese. So tell me, why are you(a Japanese person) with no connection to Koreans or the Korean peninsula so interested in Koreans and Korean issues? Why do you go to Korean blogs and waste your time commenting on Koreans when you have nothing productive to say and when you happen to be Japanese. Something tells me you have this huge inferiority complex as well as a feeling of insecurity towards Koreans. Maybe youre actually a secret Koreaphile who believes in that "anti Japanese bs" which makes you feel insecure towards Koreans. Some sort of sick and twisted love-hate relationship with Korea. I can think of no other reason for someone to behave the way you do. When I(or just about anyone else in the world) truly hate something we tend to avoid. Which is the exact opposite of what youre doing.

"If Japan burned and destroyed many evidences of Korea’s great ancient history, why Koreans know that they existed?"

Even a child can answer this. If I lose my parents will I suddenly forget them?

I also mentioned earlier about Koreas 4000 year history in which I provided proof, archaeological sites, tools, early farming and social structure. Japanese civilization on the other hand is close to 1500 years old. A child compared to Korea. Sadly this child believes its somehow superior because they copied western technology earlier then Korea. Most foreigners and most international media agrees with the Korean side on comfort women. Even the Taiwanese sun(major Taiwanese newspaper known for being pro Japanese) bashed Japan on the comfort women issue.

Korea current GDP per capita is around $25,000. Japans GDP per capita is $31,000. Koreas economy will grow 5-6% this year, Japans economy will be lucky to crack 2%. Dont be surprised if within the next 10 years(maybe even earlier) Korea surpasses Japan.

Dan im not sure why I even bother replying to you. The dumb stuff that comes out of your head just isnt worth replying to. But then I cant help it so I reply anyways.

1. Jap is a derogatory term
2. Chink is also a derogatory term
3. Grow up and use proper terminology. Its Japanese not Jap. Chinese not chink. And for the record just in case you say this in your next post its Korean not gook.
4. If you equate the murder of millions of defenseless and helpless Chinese(or as you call them chinks) people as kicking ass then youre one sick individual. I guess by your logic Choi Seung Hui kicked ass in VT.
5. Its Admiral Yi not Ree or Lee.
6. Admiral Yi did not invent the turtle ship.
7. Korea also invented the first metal type printing press, the rain gauge, the water gauge, self striking water clock, hangul, hwacha(perhaps the oldest rocket artillery) as well as several other inventions and innovations.
8. What has Japan invented? Anime? Playstation or Toilets that play music? Yeah I cant think of anything truly revolutionary or something that isnt just an improvement of older inventions. Despite being modern for over 100 years.
9. Dont worry though I came up on a site of Japanese inventions http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/japanese_i… http://www.spikedhumor.com/Article.aspx?id=21553
10. You dont enjoy it when Coreans project their insecurities towards the Japanese mainly because they dont.
11. Ironically this mess began when a Japanese person visited a KOREAN blog in order to bash Koreans. In other words it was an insecure Japanese(not Korean) who began this tiny feud. So im not sure exactly why youre labeling the Korean side as insecure, especially when this site is about Korea rather then Japan.
11. You are a tool
12. No one "dared" to tell you what to do. Even then what exactly are you going to do about it if someone does? Pop out of my computer and uppercut me? Ooh im scared… not.
13. I said "please" dont bring up Choi Seung Hui, unfortunately you failed to distinguish between "please" and "request" vs "demanding" or telling a person what to do.
14. I did so because you ignorantly labeled Choi Seung Hui as a Korean problem. Then again its not surprising going by your poor track record of making any logical arguments.
15. Since when was it considered smart to be happy about having a foreign military in your country?
16. The average American doesnt care about Koreans nor do they care about anyone else. Get a clue.
17. The only people who accuse Koreans of demanding a zillion apologies tend to be Japanese. Which somewhat proves my point on you being Jion or some other Japanese national.
18. If you apologize then grow up and keep that apology rather then denying it or breaking it Japanese style.
19. Korea is immature? Yeah this is coming from a country in which grown men watch cartoons and women act like babies. Go back to posting hello kitty stickers on your lunch box.
20. Japan bombed Pearl harbor, the US retaliated by later nuking them and kill hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. Korea on the other hand was minding its own business when Japan brutally colonized them despite doing Japan no wrong. I dont see how you can compare the two situations.
21. Koreas are not mature enough to accept an apology? Do you know how stupid you sound? An apology is an acknowledgment of a wrong doing and a showing of remorse. Korea would accept Japans apology if it wernt for the fact that those same idiots who phony apologized would later deny everything and worship mass murderers. Too bad you cant distinguish between a real apology and a phony one.
22. I agree you arnt politically correct you are politically insane.

If you have problems with Korea(and you obviously do) or Koreans then why are you here? Are you looking for trouble? Are you so insecure about yourself and your native country(Japan) that you need to prove something? Are you dieing for Korean attention? Its funny how you have the audacity to accuse Koreans of being insecure and immature even though such behavior is something people like you and jion specialize in.

btw: I dont hate Japan, although the way you, Jion and those other Japanese nationalists behave forces me to retaliate in a similar yet more sophisticated manner.

When did corean "worriers" beat the samuri? You mean the corean gay sex boys the hwrang?

VG86; you bother to respond because you must, as I knew you would. Nice to know I could get a rise out of you. I know what I said was politically incorrect. That is why I said it. Knowing full well that it would set you off. You have passion, I will give you that. No, I will not come through your screen. Nice to know that you view it as something to hide behind.

As to why I'm on this blog, ( because I'm not physically in Korea ), I spent many years in Korea during the 80s and 90s and 2002-2003. I fell for the country in the 80s. People were so nice and the country so beautiful. The 90s were the same for me and I had greater understanding of the country and its people. Then I returned in 2002.

In 2002 I saw so much hate in Korea and it's people that it was shocking to me. I would never have believed it possible if I had not been there to see it with my own eyes. Koreans revealed themselves to be nothing more than a herd of cows, easy to be lead left or right, with much the same intelligence as a herd of cows. To see this ugly truth made me sad. The people that I had given much respect, had shown themselve to be unworthy and shown me that I was mistaken.

Why am I here? Simply to learn what is going on in the present and hoping I will see an improvement in the Korean people.

But when I read the words that you type, I know that I am holding a pointless observation.

I see how easy it is to bring you down to the gutter. You were more than happy to jump in.

America will wake soon, and leave your country. Korea will once again, as in the past, become the battlefield for the Chinese and the Japanese. Korea cannot stop this and America grows tired of the anti-American thinking.

I have seen what I knew I would see from you. You prove me correct.

YU

Koreans confuse of arrogant manner with their power to take initiative.

Read “Gone with the wind”.

“I think it's hard winning a war with words, gentlemen…I'm saying very plainly that the Yankees are better equipped than we…All we've got is cotton and slaves, and arrogance”

All you‘ve got is glamorized history and kimch, and what?

Dr. Yu' you speak in absolutes. For you it seems that all things are 100% right or 100% left. A Mature, thinking person knows that nothiing is 100%. I do not forgive Japan. Nothing to forgive, those murderers are now in their 80 or older. The present generation did nothing to my country. It is either hate or love for DR.Yu. Sorry Doc, I don't love korea and never did. I also do not hate korea and never did. I do hate Stupidity from all peoples. But for you it is a race thing. As we can see there is much hate in korea for all people not korean. You will of course justify that hate by listing a long list of how koreans are victims of this or that or the other thing. Well DR I have one thing I want to say—it is called the SEA of Japan. Like I really care. 90% of US don't even know korea exist. The ones that do know, are starting to see you as an uninformed child race. That doesn't mean I hate the small uninformed child race. I just wish they would stop crying and study some more. There was a time when they were proud of what they had done. I do miss them. You could have learned from this post, but you won't. I know you now. Looking forward to the next post from a KN wanting to show, or convince, or prove how mature you are. Come on, this is fun. show me some more of that korean pride. While ignoring what happened in 2002. No one has even tried to explain that to me. Why not?

It’s really funny how Koreans project their own ugly behavior to others. Please….the number of Koreans who post deragatory messages laden with nothing but filthy profanity about Japan outnumbers any Japanese posts doing the same to Koreans by about a million to one. Just look at how many sick and twisted Korean websites, books, and pretty much every news article in the papers are devoted to comparing themselves to Japan. Meanwhile, Japanese hardly ever care about Korea. It’s basically the same as if some small shit third world shit nation rants 24/7 about America…America wouldn’t really care. I mean, it would be stupid to have an argument with a rabid monkey. In the same way, Japanese think it is stupid to get upset over Koreans.

No problem! I am glad you enjoyed the comments. Have a merry X-mas, Dr. Yu. Obligado!

ftw… this is long. o.O

wow…all these comments…loaded with some funny lies. by god…emperor Akihito had acknowledged publicly that the japanese royal family is in part of korean descent as well has applauded the many immigrants that brought technology with them to japan.

The fleeing baekjes were welcomed in Japan because of the wars in korea…this attitude seem to have vanished today sadly… i hope that korea and japan cooperate more because they have more similarities than with china….in fact, turkish and mongolian are sometimes categorized belongning to the supposed altaic language group. they have no relation to china….and THIS shreds chinese claims to pieces…koguryo language was nothing like chinese.

as for japan today, they need to recognize nanking AND the unbelievavle atrocities at Unit 731 and other mysterious medical facilities througout china. i read about this doctor describing how one boy was dissected alive: his organs so fresh that it murmurred and vibrated… japan also needs to accomodate for convicted korean war criminals who did not committ crimes in their own accord.

Filty Gook,

You do not have any thoughts or opinions on the historical issues that should be dealt with here. Instead, onlything you did was swearing/insultng someone and his/her culture terribly just purely out of hatred. You have absolutely no right to do so!! If you simply disagree with someone, you should speak what you think respecfully. If someone spoke to you the way you did, would you feel happpy? You must know what and how you speak reflect what kind of person you are. Based on the comments you made, nobody would think that you are properly educated or mature enough to think rationally or to carry on normal and respectful communications with others.

If you do not want to fix your attitude, you are not welcome here or any other sites.

1) Korguryo Kingdom is Korean.

2) Korguryo Kingdom expand from Manchuria and North Korea.

3) Korguryo-Koryo-Korea ( Modern name Korea derives from Korguryo Kingdom).

4) Korean Ancestors land and people are from Koguryo Kingdom.

5) Korguryo language influence Japanese language and people.

6) Korguryo and Paeckje people settled in island that we call Japan.

7) Koreans have every right to say or mention Korguryo Kingdom belongs to Korea because it does.

8) Non-Koreans study Korean history before you jump in Korean historical debate.

9) The word " Gook" describes phillipinoes during American-Spanish ( Phillipinoe) War.

10) Korguryo Kingdom will always remain as part of Korean history.

Do you know about the Korea history very well for you to say such thing? History is science as you said. The Korea's 5000 years of history is not just myth. It is proven through various archeological foundings. What is a myth is that the years going back more than 5000 to support the pass downed stories Koreans were told from generations.

As technolgy advances, I have no doubt, things will become much clear. Even ten or fiteen years ago for example, applying the DNA technology to criminal caces were unavilable, but now because of its effectiness, some of twenty, thirty years of old cold cases have reopened for investigations.

What you just have described is a snap shot of today's generation, especially among youngsters. How many people (including from your country) have you met who has depth of knowledge on history or excite to learn about it? You won't find many unless that's he/her major. Even more so among kids – they like computers, high tech,high pitch musics, computer games, break dance, etc. – but not the history. So, it's not only in Korea but in every country.

Really, Korea fabricated the text book? It looks to me absolutely other way around. If there is any fabrication, it is more likely be Japaninse than Korean. Why? What was the reasons Japan invaded Korea? Did Japan wanted to generously share some good stuffs with the neighbor, So Koreans could be happy?

Should I go on how Japanese invaded Korea while Korea has an internal dispute with own people and while Korea trusted the naighbor as a decent humankind? Just to let you know briefly, Japan had stolen the Korean land by force – killing men and women, including babies – They took everything including cultural assets and educated, skilled people to exploitate and turned them into their own kind under deadly sword and torture.

What justification do you find for stealing, killing, robbing, and rapping?

Which of the one is more likely febricating the history? The owner of the house or the thief of the invader?

If you have no idea what you are talking about, it would be wise things to do just swalow it whatever your emotions guided you to say, so people won't find out your ignorance.

If someone come to your house and robbed you, you just gave up your assets? The history is more than that – it is one nations's identity, you called that "samll pride"? And do you know what hidden issues behind it? No, you don't know, otherwise you won't blindly make the comment like yours.

What are you, Japanese or Chinese or some naive Korean?

You know, if you can treat others as you would treat yourself, this world would so much better place to live.

"Rediculous obsession. . ."? So if I follow your logic, proteching your own asset is a bad and ridiculous, but stealing other's would be alright.

If China seek for true relationship with any neighboring nations, they must stop claim the things that belong to others. Period.

Be real. Don't rubbing yourself belivig you that know it all when you haven't even touched the surface of truth. If you are not willing to research and study the subject your are talking about, please don't go there – leave it to an expert.

I would say, you are not good at this subject. It would be alright, most of people don't like to deal with complecated and boring subjects like history. Doing study about several thousand years old history, especially its not for your own country, it would be a heavy work for most of people.

Korea have whent through so many challenges internally and externally through out its history. However, Korea leaders have never gone to other nations and initiated a war and steal, kill, dominate, and control other nations. Therefore, no dirty, dark secret that would make Koreans to ashame of their history.

Let's talk about China: How China became the size as now and how 59 different ethnic groups ended up living in a country? Under an evil expantionistic power, an innocent and week nations were stolen by stong and stripped all of them away including their national identity. Thank about it. . .

I am Korean but I am sick and tired of the propaganda about the greatness of the Korean nation and people with a 5,000 year history blah blah blah.

Most of it is a pack of lies.

It is true that Japan got a lot of its earliest non-Southeast Asian influences from Koreans but why is that so important? Why does it even matter? What relevence does that have to do with the relationship between Korea and Japan today?

I've been here for a while now and what I've learned is that Koreans just don't know how to think. It's a bunch of low self esteem and silly pride that further isolates us from the rest of the world. Some folks I've met said, "Well, yeah, so what? If we're better off by ourselves, then that's good!"

Not even the United States has managed isolationism with any sort of success. What makes anyone think Korea can go it alone? What will happen is history will repeat itself again. It will simply be caught between powers far greater than Korea, and then get crushed.

This time, there may be no United States to bail us out.

Yeah.

I kinda feel bad for the Koreans. Stuck between a mega powerhouse China (2nd largest economy in the world) and mega powerhouse Japan (3rd largest economy in the world).

Korea is like a little rock stuck between two economic and political powerhouses.

Basically, personally, That's basically how I see the Koreans – just a nation filled with "Look at me! Look at me!" folks. I mean, why can't they be like many other nations and just enjoy the fact that they're big in their own country?

Koreans act way too hard to try to overcompensate for their inferiority complex with respect to Megapower China/Japan.

whoa im late to the party

China first off has the weakest argument when it comes to history. They've already ticked off the Mongolians by claiming that Genghis Khan was of Han descent, then they denied the genocide of the Turks to the west of China, then they makes claims on Korean history. Lets not forget that china follows a one people policy. One of China's claims is that because it is a nation of multiple ethnicity, it has a right to call it Chinese history. Also they pull out the territorial card using modern day territories to justify their claim. Thats all fine and dandy WHEN THOSE PEOPLE ARE FULLY INTEGRATED IN YOUR SYSTEM AND DONT EXIST AS SEPERATE. I wont get into the possible political motives because i cant really prove them but only present theories. But when it comes to China making land claims, they're argument is like boiling water with a toaster… it just doesnt work. SOOO they deny the academic world all access to their historical sites, make their own conclusions, and hope they can get away with it. China once believed that they were the center of the world… of course thats been disproven but that hasnt stopped them from being a bunch of pompous arses. I think China's neighbors need to remind China why the Qin dynasty built that f-in wall in the first place. China was not as big back then as it is now and had powerful civilized neighbors outside their walls. China may be a powerful nation but it needs to respect its neighboring countries. After all central Northern china has a nice ethnic Mongolian population, the west has a good amount of ethnic Turks, and the northeast is populated with ethnic koreans. The bigger you are the harder you fall. Korea cannot and will not lose this battle. The echo of history never lies. Besides, Goguryeo—> Goryeo. GoJoseon, Goguryeo, Baekje, Silla, Balhae, Goryeo, Choseon, and onward belong to KOREA.

JION IS TELLING LIES AND BEING RACIST HEY, KOREAN HORSES WOR ARMOR IN EEN 300A.D. VG13 AND DR.YU IS PROBALY EDUCATED. JION NO OFFENSE BUT YOU MIGHT NOT BE EDUCATED. IF YOU ARE, ACT LIKE IT.(NOT BEING MEAN) YOU HEARD OF PYRAMIDS IN KOREA AND MANCHURIA 5000+ YEARS AGO? KOREANS DON”T HATE JAPANESE THAT MUCH. THEY IN FACT IS AN ALLAY(SOUTH) ABOUT THE KOREAN WAR THING (NORTH VS SOUTH) I AM 12 YEARS OLD AND KNOW BETTER THAN YOU JION. FAKE HISORY SO CALLED PATHETICKL KORN? NO!!! GUGUYREO IS KOREAN, IN FACT A COUNTRY ABOVE IT IN NORTH MANCHURIA IS KOREAN!MY FRIEND IS CHINESE AND HE LIVED LONG AGO AND IN MANCHURIA CHINA AND HE SAYS THAT THERE IS A LOT OF KOREANS. THAT IS BECAUSE KOREANS LIVED IN MANCHURIA! STOP BEING MEAN TO KOREANS JION999.9999.999! WHAT IS THE POINT OF BEING MEAN? AFRAID? HEY SAMSUNG IS KOREAN. SEARCH IT IN USEFUL SITES. ( A JAPANESE VILLAGE CONSIDER THEM DESCENDANTS OF KOREA) KOREA INVENTED THE FIRST MEATL MOVABLE TYPING, FIRST CHEMICAL WEAPONGS BY BURNING POISON IN TURTLE SHIP. WHAT IS TURTLE SHIP? A SHIP COVERED IN METAL PLATES AND SPIKES. SAMURAIS ARE GREAT BUT THEY APPEARED 1500S. THE CHALGAP OF 400AD IS BETTER THAN ROMAN ARMOR? THAT IS NOT PATHETIC HISTORY JION AND TUGFGFGFGFGFOOOO(D)GO TO KOREAN HISTORY 1/8-8/8 THE CHINESE GOV IS TRYING TO CLAIM GUGUYEO BUT THAT IS SOME POEPLE AND THE GOV. GUJOSEON OFFICIAL GOV WAS MADE IN 2333BC BUT IS PROBALY 3000BC WHEN IT WAS TECNACALLY MADE. NOT TO BE DENIED. KOREA IS PROBALLY EVEN BETTER BUT NOT HAVE BEEN SPREAD. EX.= 70% OF WHITES THINK THAT SAMSUNG IS JAPANESE. i AM ONLY 12 BUT KNOW BETTER JION999-1000.

JION IS TELLING LIES AND BEING RACIST HEY, KOREAN HORSES WOR ARMOR IN EEN 300A.D. VG13 AND DR.YU IS PROBALY EDUCATED. JION NO OFFENSE BUT YOU MIGHT NOT BE EDUCATED. IF YOU ARE, ACT LIKE IT.(NOT BEING MEAN) YOU HEARD OF PYRAMIDS IN KOREA AND MANCHURIA 5000+ YEARS AGO? KOREANS DON”T HATE JAPANESE THAT MUCH. THEY IN FACT IS AN ALLAY(SOUTH) ABOUT THE KOREAN WAR THING (NORTH VS SOUTH) I AM 12 YEARS OLD AND KNOW BETTER THAN YOU JION. FAKE HISORY SO CALLED PATHETICKL KORN? NO!!! GUGUYREO IS KOREAN, IN FACT A COUNTRY ABOVE IT IN NORTH MANCHURIA IS KOREAN!MY FRIEND IS CHINESE AND HE LIVED LONG AGO IN MANCHURIA CHINA( I MEAN) AND HE SAYS THAT THERE IS A LOT OF KOREANS. THAT IS BECAUSE KOREANS LIVED IN MANCHURIA! STOP BEING MEAN TO KOREANS JION999.9999.999! WHAT IS THE POINT OF BEING MEAN? AFRAID? HEY SAMSUNG IS KOREAN. SEARCH IT IN USEFUL SITES. ( A JAPANESE VILLAGE CONSIDER THEM DESCENDANTS OF KOREA) KOREA INVENTED THE FIRST MEATL MOVABLE TYPING, FIRST CHEMICAL WEAPONGS BY BURNING POISON IN TURTLE SHIP. WHAT IS TURTLE SHIP? A SHIP COVERED IN METAL PLATES AND SPIKES. SAMURAIS ARE GREAT BUT THEY APPEARED 1500S. THE CHALGAP OF 400AD IS BETTER THAN ROMAN ARMOR? THAT IS NOT PATHETIC HISTORY JION AND TUGFGFGFGFGFOOOO(D)GO TO KOREAN HISTORY 1/8-8/8 THE CHINESE GOV IS TRYING TO CLAIM GUGUYEO BUT THAT IS SOME POEPLE AND THE GOV. GUJOSEON OFFICIAL GOV WAS MADE IN 2333BC BUT IS PROBALY 3000BC WHEN IT WAS TECNACALLY MADE. NOT TO BE DENIED. KOREA IS PROBALLY EVEN BETTER BUT NOT HAVE BEEN SPREAD. EX.= 70% OF WHITES THINK THAT SAMSUNG IS JAPANESE. i AM ONLY 12 BUT KNOW BETTER JION999-1000.