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William
William
9 years ago

Our medical community is killin’ us too.

Basically, they try to solve symptoms and figure out what is killin’ you, then prescribe some meds, you take them and need them forever, then the meds cause annoying problems, so you get prescribed more meds… see a pattern of who is making more money than a fat cash cow?

I took my wife to an urgent care center a few months back. Doctor asked some questions, checked physically in abdomen area for this and that, then 5 minutes later pronounced she had “Acid Reflux” reflux real bad, that her stomach had too much acid and prescribed NEXIUM. He warned that it would take a little while to work and maybe she may have to take this drug the rest of her life!

Whooooo Nelly. That made me research exactly what is NEXIUM and why we have reflux. Turns out, its wasn’t TOO much acid but TOO little and her “Good” bacteria colony in her intestine was depleted from a colon exam at 50 and the anti-biotic laden foods we eat (even if she totally cut out added sugar) I found out Nexium does Jack-Crap to fix the issue, but only makes it so we are depending on it forever – what a cash stream for some drug makers and docs !

I looked around the net to see what I could find out about the drug and how to fix reflux. What I found surprised me. Basically, we cut out as much as we could of the anti-biotic laden food (difficult since it is everywhere) and bought Amish grown veggies and milk and eggs. We live in upstate NY where we can drive a little and run into a lot of them.

I learned from other sites how to make real Yogurt (Yummy) and Kefer Milk (not yummy for me, but even more good bacteria than yogurt) and how to ferment my own veggies and how to culture sourdough starter when I get the urge for bread with organic flour that has less (but no) pesticide residue. Of course she already eat Kimchi. we also for two months took pro-biotic to regrow our colony.

It is SO hard to go to the Commissary and buy stuff to feed your family that isn’t loaded with High fructose Corn Syrup, pesticide residues, anti-biotics, and chem modified corn products. They are literally ALL OVER all our foods. Even a “healthy” thing like YOGURT has a ton of added sugar and the cultured bacteria are likely already killed off the good bacteria in it as it sits on shelf too long and sugar went to work.

I used a lot of the suggestions in one of the articles and wow! 1-2 weeks later HUGE difference and kept improving. NO DRUGS and fixed issue with better and smarter food intake.

hey, we seemed to live to a ripe old age not so long ago before we tried to cure everything with a prescription and needless surgery, so what heck, a solution should be there.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/04/25/news-flash-acid-reflux-caused-by-too-little-acid-not-too-much.aspx

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/04/28/acid-reflux-ulcer-treatment.aspx

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/09/05/why-you-should-get-off-prescription-acid-reducing-drugs-asap.aspx

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/04/19/shocking-facts-about-the-pharmaceutical-industry.aspx

tbonetylr
tbonetylr
9 years ago

Finding a home for vets(pity the foolish victims), 50 thousand each year. 900 in New York. Although the longest war in American history has been declared over there are still 10,500 servicemembers in Afghanistan. 28,000 in S. Korea.
http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/video/50000-homeless-veterans-nationwide-27990006
VA working with non-profits(giving these physically able losers free homes for their entire lives) because servicemembers have strained relationships with friends and family, feel a loss of support, feel they don’t fit it, can’t find jobs because they’re losers, and have the so-called “PTSDisorder.”
War in Afghanistan Worth Fighting?
38% Yes
56% No

Denny
Denny
9 years ago

Maria Chappelle-Nadal (D) threatens voters over white privilege on Twitter

http://www.examiner.com/article/elected-missouri-democrat-threatens-voters-over-white-privilege-on-twitter

tbonetylr
tbonetylr
9 years ago

“Maria Chappelle-Nadal (D)”

She’s hot!

tbonetylr
tbonetylr
9 years ago

“Over 300 black youth involved in brawl at movie theater”

The “brawl” didn’t look “massive” to me. I just wish the cops had tried arresting someone. If they had perhaps a teenager would’ve scared a cop into thinking he was about to die so that the cop could’ve killed the unarmed teen?

There wasn’t a need for 10 different police departments since…

“Police said no arrests had been made as of Saturday morning and that the theater was not closed down during the fracas.”

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
9 years ago

There are only two types of theaters.

Theaters white people go to and theaters white people used to go to.

Andy
Andy
9 years ago

I wonder how life in America would be if race demographics were reversed like in the John Travolta movie “White Man’s Burden”.

tbonetylr
tbonetylr
9 years ago

“I wonder how life in America would be if race demographics were reversed like in the John Travolta movie “White Man’s Burden.”

chicken/snake/EGGHEAD wouldn’t know what to do, he’d blame slavery on the black man/Harry Belafonte(opposite his current theory) and/or not the victim as he does now.

How dare the production company and director make such a movie, no wonder it only got a rating of 5.2 on IMDB.

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
9 years ago

“I wonder how life in America would be if race demographics were reversed like in the John Travolta movie “White Man’s Burden”.”

Wonder no more.

Start with Zimbabwe…

…and end with Liberia, where your thought experiment has already been carried out… with results that should suprise no one.

For those who need a history reminder…

“Liberia was founded by the United States while occupied by local Africans. Beginning in 1820, the area was settled by African Americans, most of whom were freed slaves.”

johnnyboy
johnnyboy
9 years ago

I’ve seen reports from Zimbabwe which detailed how natives are stealing farmland by force from whites who had absolutely nothing to do with oppression of blacks at any point. It is either ignored or encouraged by the government.

As for Liberia……well it’s just all kinds of messed up. I have worked with a gentleman from Liberia before though. He was a good worker and a kind person. He was a U.S. citizen and definitely appreciated his life here compared to how he grew up. Genuinely nice guy.

He spoke on Charles Taylor once. He said of course Taylor did terrible things, but at least the country was stable, and the alternatives weren’t really any better.

Seems similar to Saddam. The country will function and you will be okay as long as you don’t talk shiit about the boss. Otherwise, you are liable to disappear.

Leon Laporte
9 years ago

Scenario: Many Christians have said we have school shootings because God isn’t in our schools.

Q: What does it mean when there are church shootings?

A: ______________

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
9 years ago

“Q: What does it mean when there are church shootings?”

A: God isn’t in our schools.

Leon Laporte
9 years ago

CH, I came up with a slightly different answer. LOL

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
9 years ago

Q: What kind of gun does a dyslexic student use in a school shooting?

A: un6 uuuu6 6lq

I just made that up.

tbonetylr
tbonetylr
9 years ago

White Man’s Burden 1995(Full Movie)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lvG52OfykI

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
9 years ago

“no wonder it only got a rating of 5.2 on IMDB”

That rating was due to racism

…not contrived situations, undeveloped 1-dimensional characters, preachy rather than nuanced dialog, dull storyline, derivative action scenes that distract from any intended message, etc.

No. Definitely racism.

Tbone, did you have any further comments on some of the real-world situations where the rolls are reversed and blacks are in charge?

No? Nothing?

So we are going to move on then?

tbonetylr
tbonetylr
9 years ago

“Tbone, did you have any further comments on some of the real-world situations where the rolls are reversed and blacks are in charge?”

Hmmm, that’s a tough one there EGGHEAD. You got me…no wait…President Obama has been in charge for 6 years and we all see how white GOP politicians handle this “real-world situation.” So quickly you forget or do you just have mind-block?

MTB Rider
9 years ago

Looks like things are getting grim again in North Korea:
http://news.yahoo.com/runaway-n-korean-soldier-kill-four-chinese-reports-060526414.html

The young North Korean soldier crossed the border in late December and stole money and food at a house before killing four residents in China’s northeastern city of Helong, South Korea’s Yonhap news agency and Dong-A Ilbo newspaper said.

The article mentions an elderly ethnic Korean couple as two of the victims, but doesn’t offer details on the other two.

The soldier was wounded by Chinese forces, and has been captured. The Chinese have no plans to return him at this time.

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
9 years ago

“President Obama has been in charge for 6 years”

…and his biggest plot is to import more uneducated foreign workers to compete with high-unemployment blacks in the shrinking low-skill/no-skill job market.

Regardless of skin color, it seems the Man is still the Man and he is keepin’ a brotha down.

But, of course, you dodged the question as posed by the original speculation on the movie White Man’s Burden. Let’s talk about the wonders of African countries where black majorities rule white minorities.

Leon Laporte
9 years ago

“…and his biggest plot is to import more uneducated foreign workers to compete with high-unemployment blacks in the shrinking low-skill/no-skill job market.”

Strange bed fellows when it comes to those who hate America (or at least the average “middle class” American). Seems folks are supporting organizations who are working against their purported best interests (again)…

Oakland churches offer aid, sanctuary to Central American immigrants

Like many churches in the days before Christmas, the Primera Iglesia Presbiteriana Hispana in East Oakland held a posada one recent night. But rather than reenact Joseph and Mary’s search for shelter, this candlelight procession told a contemporary tale much on the minds of congregants.

Participants portrayed a Honduran family escaping gang violence and extortion, in a nod to the thousands of unaccompanied Central American minors and families with young children who have recently traveled to the United States, where they await court proceedings.

About 60,000 unaccompanied children from Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala were taken into custody at the Southwestern border between October 2013 and Nov. 30 of this year, according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection, and families with young children — though receiving less attention — have also arrived by the thousands each month.

California resettlement
The greatest numbers of unaccompanied minors to be placed with relatives or sponsors in California are in Los Angeles County, federal statistics show. There, several philanthropic groups are raising funds for legal representation and have hired someone to coordinate the effort. Gov. Jerry Brown has also committed $3 million for legal help statewide.

In the Bay Area, where the second-largest group has settled, a particularly robust activism has developed — fueled in part by the region’s history as a birthplace of the sanctuary movement of the 1980s to help those fleeing Central American civil wars.

The San Francisco Board of Supervisors committed $2 million in September to guarantee legal representation for every unaccompanied youth residing in the city who is on the immigration court’s expedited “surge docket” of Central American newcomers.

The Oakland City Council followed with a $577,000 commitment for legal help, and Alameda County is considering allocating as much as $2 million for mental health counseling and temporary housing.

Religious groups in the East Bay have also stepped up. Led by Guatemalan-born Pastor Pablo Morataya of the East Oakland church, four congregations this fall declared “sanctuary” — pledging to shield young people and their families even if they are ordered deported.

more: http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-bay-area-sanctuary-20141231-story.html#page=1

Leon Laporte
9 years ago

Wow…

And from the Respect muh Authoritah files:

The 300,000-member Fraternal Order of Police (FOP) is demanding that the U.S. Congress and President Barack Obama “act now” to expand the federal hate crimes statute and add police officers as a protected class.
In a recent press release, the police union boasts that it has spent years lobbying for more federalization of crime and punishment. The presser cites a handful of recent incidents, nationally, in which police officers were attacked while on the job.
There are two main principled reasons to oppose all federal hate crime legislation. First, is the basic legal tenet that all people should be treated equally in the eyes of the law. The judicial process should not be dependent upon the demographics of the victim or defendant. This is the reason that “Lady Justice” wears a blindfold while holding the Scales of Justice. Violence against anyone — regardless of the identities or beliefs of those involved — should be prohibited equally and impartially in a fair and just system.
Secondly, the federal government has no legitimate authority to create such laws. The U.S. Constitution offers no mention of the federal government having the ability to prohibit crimes of violence between citizens for any reason. Crimes such as assault and murder are properly prohibited at the state-level and are enforced by state or local agencies — not the FBI. To broaden the scope of federal law enforcers is a mistake and a move toward more centralized authoritarianism.
Readers are advised to oppose the Fraternal Order of Police’s agenda to nationalize crime statutes and create legally protected classes of citizens.

Leon Laporte
9 years ago

And finally, speaking of police…

Military Pushes For Same Broad Rules Of Engagement As Civilian Police Forces

KABUL, Afghanistan — Senior American commanders in Afghanistan are pushing for more permissive Rules of Engagement (ROE) to put their troops on par with domestic law enforcement, Duffel Blog has learned.

“Just because we’ve changed the operation name doesn’t mean this isn’t still a war,” Gen. John F. Campbell, commander of American forces in Afghanistan, said at a joint press conference. “If we’re going to permanently pacify an entire population, we need to think less like the UN, and more like the NYPD.”

Large civilian police departments like those of New York City, Chicago and Los Angeles, have long been the envy of more aggressive military units.

“I’ve always dreamed of joining Albuquerque SWAT,” Staff Sgt. Brian Anderson, currently on his 5th deployment to Afghanistan with the 75th Ranger Regiment, told Duffel Blog. “I just really want to fucking shoot someone.”

The consensus among troops that they have been hamstrung by mincing, limp-wristed bureaucrats is as ubiquitous now as it was in the latter years of the Vietnam War. According to a Pew Survey of deployed personnel, a staggering 91 percent replied ‘agree’ or ‘strongly agree’ when asked for their response to the statement, “My job would be easier if I were allowed to choke people to death for no reason.”

“Right now, I’ve got a bunch of cosmo-sipping congressmen and self-serving, careerist POGs telling me how to do my job,” said Capt. Miles Corgan of the 10th Mountain Division. “If my guys could be even half as aggressive as a small town cop, this war would have been won in ’07.”

According to an internal memorandum obtained by Duffel Blog, the initial phase of the plan is already underway. CIA operatives are engaging with members of the Afghan Loya Jirga to distribute large quantities of crack cocaine to the country’s poor population while simultaneously introducing stricter drug laws. The tactic is “time-tested and stunningly effective in other countries,” the memo states.

Furthermore, a small pilot program of Police Advisory Teams, comprised entirely of police officers in National Guard infantry units, have been operating in the capital since the summer of 2014.

“Best kill teams I’ve ever worked with,” said Ibrahim Maqal, an Afghan National Army Commando. “Those dudes will earhole a kid for picking up a rock. My dream is that law enforcement in Afghanistan can someday be as free and liberal as it is in America.”

http://www.duffelblog.com/2015/01/police-military/

Smokes
9 years ago

Urban Outfitters slammed for promoting ‘inner thigh gap’ in online catalog
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/01/05/urban-outfitters-slammed-for-promoting-inner-thigh-gap-in-online-catalog/

Yeah that’s right, it’s a FoxNews link, if you can’t click it for that story then you’re the a-hole. Anyhoo…

Inner thigh gap hate? This is a thing? Liz you do know it’s your unsaid responsibility to let us all know about stuff like this going on back in the west right? Get on the ball missy! 😉

Anyway this looks like a.. dah dah dummm… War on Skinny! Gap.. no gap… all I care is that there’s some hair. Nuff Said.

On a serious note the story is reflective of the a55ed up society we live in. A government agency telling a company to remove an ad because it contained “an image of a model with an “unhealthy” gap.”. Hate against ads that show skinny people clamoring for diversity when we know that’s code for “wahh I’m fat and too lazy to do anything about it”. A “doctor” defending the decision blathering something about how the media’s too blame for people with soft mental frameworks. Bah!

Denny
Denny
9 years ago

Lawmakers Ramp Up Pressure On Silicon Valley To Hire Black People In 2015

http://newsone.com/3080313/black-lawmakers-ramp-up-pressure-on-silicon-valley-in-2015-to-hire-minorities/

Leon Laporte
9 years ago

I’m pretty sure Silicon Valley hires the best people possible based on qualifications. There’s certainly no shortage of Asians out there, for example…

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
9 years ago

Silicon Valley SHOULD hire more black workers.

It would be obvious racism if there was a single white janitor.

…in other news…

My friend works at Intel. While we send lots of emails, we seldom talk. I Skyped with him this week so we were able to have a broader conversation.

A very interesting thing he discussed is the distribution of race and nationality and the cultural changes it has brought.

There are fewer and fewer American white people and an increasing number of Asians, Indians, and even Nigerians… some second generation Americans and some straight off the boat. This may be due to them being skilled workers willing to work at a lower wage. (We had some hours of technical things to discuss so I didn’t get the full story).

The cultural difference is that the non-Americans, especially Asians, used to have a humble attitude, quietly working hard and looking up to the (mostly white) Americans for approval.

No more.

Now, they openly ridicule fat, lazy Americans. While some of this is a joke, as the white Americans there are generally very smart, many are overweight and few work as hard as an Asian straight out of Asia… and probably not as hard as a second generation Asian. It would be reasonable to assume even the Nigerians are employed due to merit rather than quotas.

I will be Skyping with him frequently over the next few weeks so I will get more details…

…but there may be something to Tom’s fat white hairy monkey talk that all Americans need to consider.

At the least, it shows a bold willingness to express thoughts that may have been hidden from view when American workers were much more educated, capable, and productive than Asian workers.

A coming reality is that any “white privilege” that exists is going to be quietly taken away by a generation of educated, productive, and hard-working Asians rather than whiny black thugs bent on manufactured social extortion.

These are some thoughts to consider.

Denny
Denny
9 years ago

BREAKING: Paris terror attack kills at least 2: ‘Prophet has been avenged’ heard at scene

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2900259/Gunmen-kill-11-Charlie-Hebdo-attack.html

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
9 years ago

“BREAKING: Paris terror attack kills at least 2: ‘Prophet has been avenged’ heard at scene”

Did they escape in an a la carte?

I just made that up.

MTB Rider
9 years ago

Kinda miss Glans and Teadrinker. Those two (or that one? Never was quite sure with shifting names, etc), used to LOVE to quote the “97% of all scientists agree” stat. Wonder how they would rebut this:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2015/01/06/97-of-climate-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/2/

Well, besides claim Forbes has a bias… Which of course Forbes does, but so does the NaturalNews.com website…

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
9 years ago

“Kinda miss Glans and Teadrinker.”

Bite your tongue, MTB.

Dealing with Glans was like dealing with a nice retard. Reading his links was like eating a picture of a sandwich… and when he was shown to be wrong, he ignored it and moved on to the next topic to be wrong about… only to later return to the previous topic as if it was new and fresh and never before disproved to death. Perhaps he was just one hell of an elegant troll… sitting in front of 6 monitors in a steel and glass penthouse and giggling about how worked up he could get people through pushing idiotic points of view with passive aggressive politeness. Perhaps he was a nice lonely old man who really believed these things… which explained why he was lonely. Whatever the case, he was the one who got away. I never did figure out who he was in the real world… which I find odd.

Dealing with Teadrinker was like dealing with the spaz kid. He never wrote a true statement about anything… and, like Glans, he ran from facts… yet would return with variations of the same nonsense as if it had never been discussed before. It was so pleasurable to watch him talk himself into a corner… in which his pride and thin veneer of credibility was damaged beyond recovery… at which point he fukked off… never to return… for, if he did, he would soon be recognized when he tried to push the same lines of bullshyt.

But, you have a point in a way… Tbone, our resident retarded spaz, just can’t hold up to those two. There is little satisfaction in giving him a verbal beatdown… too stupid, too uneducated, too unskilled. The more I find out about him, the more I feel sorry for him.

Anyway, the global warming thing is kind of old news.

The next step was the guy who downloaded the unsecured and unencrypted data that was used to manufacture the 97% figure, and reanalyzed it, got threatened with a lawsuit by the University of Queensland.

Unlike any other field of science, climate “science” keeps their data a secret, makes sure nobody else can attempt to reproduce their results, and threatens lawsuits against anyone who tries to recreate their research.

Along with all the appeal-to-emotion marketing, this should be a huge warning sign to even the most basically-educated (or street smart) that a scam is being run.

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
9 years ago

Time to vent.

I needed some sawtooth picture hangers. These are little strips of metal with a sawtooth in one side and a hole on each end. You screw them into the backs of thing you want to hang on the wall. If your item is not perfectly balanced, you can move it over one tooth.

I drove around to a few art stores. They didn’t have them. They looked at me with puzzled eyes, like an island primative first encountering a flush toilet … amazed at the technology but unable to grasp that it might have a purpose.

The art stores were unable to suggest anything which would accomplish the same thing… preferring to hang things with all sorts of fancy contraptions… many of which can’t easily he leveled.

So I searched online.

Gmarket has them.

19,000 won.

Each.

This is a joke, right? Y’all fukkin’ with me, right?

On Aliexpress, they are $25.

…for a bag of 500.

FIVE HUNDRED.

Which is why I order several thousand dollars in tools and parts from China each month. While I can’t write it off on taxes, it does not matter… as the Korean price for the same Chinese product is anywhere from double to TEN times the price… or, in this case, hundreds of times. I cringe to pay double when I need it now… I refuse to pay insulting prices.

This brings up an issue Korean businesses need to address. How much longer can they get by with this? What will they do when they no longer can? Die in a fire. All of you.

Everyone under 30 is wise to the Auction/Gmarket/retail screwjob. My wife’s sister just bought a 70 inch tv from the States… cheaper to ship than buy locally. My wife just bought a designer bag from the States… cheaper than Korea… and a more stylish model than what is available here.

WTF is wrong with Korean online businesses? Retail, too? In today’s online world there is no excuse for being a dumb customer paying the dummy price. But someone must be doing it.

I want to throw a brick through somebody’s window over this.

But the best I can do is to encourage everyone to boycott Auction and Gmarket… and do all your shopping on Aliexpress direct out of China.

Fukk Korean online shopping. You biitches will pay!

Further, Aliexpress has great search abilities, a clean interface, complete product information, and a structure that assists in finding the best price from the best vendor.

Auction and Gmarket are distractingly flashy, filled with popups, frequently crash the browser with a massive number of scripts, discourage comparative shopping, limit right clicks, have trickiness built into the system, and are designed to help the vendors screw the customers… and the prices are mostly insulting.

Order from Aliexpress and boycott all shopping in Korea.

This picture hanger deal has pushed me over the edge. I have been insulted for the last time. I have snapped.

Korean retail will feel my wrath!

Anyway… I didn’t want to wait for my lifetime supply of sawtooth picture hangers to come in so I just drew one in AutoCAD and ran off ten of them on a CNC mill… cut from the side of an old computer case with a 1mm endmill. Four bends in the vice later, $190 worth of sawtooth hangers (if I was selling them on Gmarket).

…except mine are all nicely machined with rounded corners instead of stamped.

…and they have better-than aerospace-grade tolerances.

I spent all day just trying to hang some pictures. Fukk.

Again, don’t buy anything from the vampires of Korean online shopping until you have checked out Aliexpress.

Protip: If you are not happy with the price at Aliexpress, send them an email. I sent them a link to the same product (heavy arbor press) in the States that was cheaper than their price (I suspect due to bulk shipping to the American company as opposed to shipping a single piece to Korea). After a few exchanges, I got it close to the American price and 20% of what a Korean company wanted.

I hope Aliexpress puts all the Korean online vampires out of business and their children starve slowly.

I would have paid 1000 won each for 30 of these hangers and been reasonably happy.

But, no, Gmarket vampires couldn’t be happy with making 5000 won and still having 470 more to sell at all profit.

And for that, they will suffer!

Muah ha ha ha ha!

Please share your online shopping tips.

Denny
Denny
9 years ago

RINO Republicans warming to the idea of increasing fed gas tax

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/228986-momentum-seen-in-push-for-gas-tax-hike

Liz
Liz
9 years ago

Your retail cost worries will be over in the not too distant future, CH.
You’ll just print stuff out on your home three-D printer. 🙂

Thought I’d link to a share-worthy article. Sarah Hoyt’s, “Je Suis Charlie”

http://accordingtohoyt.com/2015/01/08/je-suis-charlie/

tbonetylr
tbonetylr
9 years ago

Gen. Patraeus=Future Felon, I’ve said all along USA will have to pay Jill Kelley(whom S. Korea shamed when the story broke) millions because of this “General” military Dbagger. When will S. Korea shame the USA for this Patraeus Dbagger ~ since he was the reason S. Korea dropped Jill Kelley as honorary consul.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/10/us/politics/prosecutors-said-to-recommend-charges-against-former-gen-david-petraeus.html?_r=0

Leon Laporte
9 years ago

The only reason Jill Kelley is not referred to as a prostitute is because they have another name for it, at her level: “socialite.”

JoeC
JoeC
9 years ago
tbonetylr
tbonetylr
9 years ago

I thought you were pro-prostitution? Don’t you like the word “socialite?” So Marine Gen. John Allen was exonerated for having phone sex but Jill Kelley had real(phone) sex with him? I didn’t know phone sex = prostitution(only for females)? Besides you sound like you’re discriminating against the sexes. The only reason a GI/General is referred to as “military personnel/servicemember” is because they have another name for it: “John”

That NYT articles mentions nothing of Jill Kelley(only Paula Broadwell-biographer) but it was Patraeus’ biographer who tied Patraeus and Jill Kelley together.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/lawsuit-jill-kelley-socialite-petraeus-scandal-can-proceed-n203911
“In 2012, Kelley complained to the FBI when an unknown person sent her harassing emails. Her complaint triggered a criminal investigation that led agents to Paula Broadwell, who was Petraeus’ biographer and had been having an affair with him. Kelley’s name and some of the harassing emails were leaked to the news media amid the sensational disclosures about Petraeus, a former Army general. The leaks also linked Marine Gen. John Allen, the commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, as being under investigation for allegedly inappropriate communications with Kelley.

According to court filings by Kelley’s lawyers, the government falsely told one news outlet the emails between Allen and Kelley were the equivalent of phone sex. The lawyers argued that given the prurient nature of the investigation and the “other woman” narrative propounded by the leakers, it was likely that Kelley’s treatment was motivated by sexual discrimination. The Pentagon’s inspector general exonerated Allen, who subsequently retired.”

Liz
Liz
9 years ago

I doubt that Petraeus gave Broadwell access to top secret security information. Why would he do that, exactly?

Liz
Liz
9 years ago

Side note: There are all sorts of VIPs at military bases. These relationships are obligatory, and part of PR politics. I can’t count how many times I’ve had to “befriend” some socialite in the community and host a dinner/sit through a musical hosted by an octogenarian remembering her golden years singing something from Cats/and so forth. It’s bad manners not to participate and everyone is required. I don’t know Kelly, but I have no reason to believe it isn’t the same sort of relationship.
95 percent chance this much much less nefarious/intriguing than people seem to think.

Liz
Liz
9 years ago

Just to add, I’d bet a lot of money that the General(s) were on some sort of mass emailing list that Kelley sent out. No one sends 18000 documents of “love letters” or whatever the hell the media has led everyone to think.

tbonetylr
tbonetylr
9 years ago

“No one sends 18000 documents of “love letters” or whatever the hell the media has led everyone to think.”

The media never led me to think there were 18000 “love letter docs.” Or are you talking about the Stars & Stripes which most people rarely(if ever) read?

Anyway, they were sent in a two-year period and the story below is fairly comparable showing that it can be done.

http://news.yahoo.com/former-teacher-sexting-champion-sentenced-sending-4-300-081508785.html
“So, let’s do the math here. Zack sent 4,300 text messages during the time frame, which totaled 230 days. On average, then, he sent almost 19 texts per day. If he distributed the messages evenly among the four girls, he would have sent between four and five texts to each girl, every single day for more than half a year.”

Liz
Liz
9 years ago

“The media never led me to think there were 18000 “love letter docs.” Or are you talking about the Stars & Stripes which most people rarely(if ever) read?”

No, I’m not thinking of the Stars and Stripes everyone else ran the same story. These weren’t texts, the version runs that they exchanged 20,000 to 30,000 “potentially inappropriate e mails”.

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
9 years ago

There is a fundamental problem if the military requires relationships with all the manipulative local scumbag players.

We have all seen the evil that has been generated with USFK “leadership” becoming buttbuddies with “local business leaders”.

We all know this Kelly thing was a self-serving cuunt playing the game to collect awards and titles while her husband grifted anyone he could with fake charities as they both lived beyond their means.

Everything “official” I have ever been involved in has had these scumbag players lurking around… and the fact that so many people go along with it to accomplish their own petty manipulative goals is irritating.

There are no heroes in this story.

Liz
Liz
9 years ago

CH “There is a fundamental problem if the military requires relationships with all the manipulative local scumbag players.”

You’ll get no argument from me, CH. But it is the way it is. “Honorary squadron commanders” (civilian VIPs) are assigned to each squadron, and it’s that way from that point on, all the way up to the top. I’m sure the army has the same sort of thing.

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