Dent, a former auto worker with no criminal history, and the cops, have differing stories describing how the traffic stop turned into a bloody beat down.
It’s another case involving white cops and a black suspect in a city that is largely African American, with questions of whether excessive force was used. Officers say they thought he was reaching for a gun.
Seconds after the two Inkster, Michigan police officers approach Dent’s car, they pull him to the street.
No audio of the incident exists, but according to Dent, the officers told him to, “get out the car” or they’d “blow [his] brains out.”
Once on the ground, one of the officers put him in a chokehold, then began punching him in the head — 16 times. “I told him ‘I can’t breathe’ and he kept on choking me,” Dent said.
More officers arrived and used the Taser on him at least three times before he was finally brought to his feet, his face bloodied and clothes torn.”
ChickenHead
9 years ago
Floyd Dent, now Floyd Dented, is a hard case to know.
One thing is sure. The news reports edited the video to tell a very different story from the raw video… much as was done with the Rodney King video.
This is a pretty easy situation to resolve… which the “news” conspicuously didn’t address. Give Floyd a drug test. Depend on the results for crack, this investigation can go in very diffetent directions.
Whatever the case, Floyd certainly can’t be too dumb to know jumping out of the car after not stopping immediately and then resisting arrest has only one outcome.
Judging by his behavior, certainly noted by the cops, it would seem the crack in the car was his and he panicked when the police car tried to pull him over… not stopping immediately while trying to think about what to do… getting out of the car to put physical distance between himself and the evidence… arguing in desperation.
Todsy’s ultra-violence cops aren’t having anything but immediate and absolute compliance… which is an issue much larger than this example.
Side Note: One of the black stars from Fox’s Empire came out about racist cops harassing her son. That was on the news. The followup, that got much less press, is the police releasing the video of the incident. It is a textbook case of protect and serve.
The video is well worth wstching to restore a bit of faith in the police…. though it also is a reminder of all the fake racism.
johnnyboy
9 years ago
I saw that video of the star’s son being pulled over. I’m paraphrasing but it went something like this:
“Shucks. I’m really sorry, sir, but I’m gonna hafta take your weed. I’m not giving you a ticket for the traffic violation because I care about your driving record, but here’s a citation for the marijuana. Show the judge your medicinal marijuana permit and you’ll probably get off scot free. Have a nice day and stay safe out here.”
Racism cut and dry.
tbonetylr
9 years ago
EGGHEAD says…
“Whatever the case, Floyd certainly can’t be too dumb to know jumping out of the car after not stopping immediately and then resisting arrest has only one outcome.”
Why are you such an EGGHEAD that only sees what you want to? If you’d have clicked on the link are read and/or understood English you’d have learned that your “stopping immediately” isn’t a crime nor did he “resist” arrest since the judge saw the video differently than you…
“A district judge threw out two of the three original charges, assault and resisting arrest, after reviewing the dashcam tape. Dent still faces the drug charge.”
The drug charge will be dropped too or he won’t be found guilty.
tbonetylr
9 years ago
Drugs planted(by Robocop) in Floyd Dent’s car(see him pull it out of his pocket in video)… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PexJV4q91F8
The cop(AKA ROBOCOP) has been charged for planting evidence before but got off. This time I don’t think he will if he’s ever charged.
Dent’s fingerprints won’t be found on Robocop’s baggie of cocaine or whatever and Dent passed a lie detector test.
If that officer planted that evidence, I hope he gets put under the prison.
Using a position of authority for ill deeds is a breach of public trust and deserves punishment to the max extent of the law.
Unfortunately, in today’s environment, even seemingly slam dunk evidence such as the video doesn’t always guarantee a police officer will be served justice. Just like the Black Grievance Industry, most police officers will defend their brothers and sisters to the end, right or wrong.
Denny
9 years ago
US bomber crew shot down over Japan were dissected while ALIVE as part of macabre WW2 experiments: Japanese university acknowledges full details of atrocity 70 years on
Well, the norKs have had a bit of success with light blue painted drones.
I also remember a time when I was in the Navy. The aft lookout reported a biplane approaching from astern, and reported it to the bridge. The brige blew him off, as there was nothing on radar. He reported it again, then the plane flew up the starboard side, flew a circle in front of the ship, then flew down the port side. Not an attack, just a civilian pilot out enjoying an afternoon off of San Diego. The CO was pretty steamed with the Officer of the Deck for ignoring the lookout!
The norKs have also been doing parachute drop drills, and there is the obligitory pic of Fatman at the controls. While I don’t think the North will have much success invading South Korea with a handful of WWI era aircraft, I’ve always wondered what would happen if the norKs tried a Mumbai Massacre type of attack.
A suicide attack against the North Korean Refugee Assimilation Center would make quite the statement…
Denny
9 years ago
Geologist claims Jesus was married… and had a SON: Expert says he has proof son of God was buried in ‘family tomb’ along with wife Mary and his brother
– He did not pull over immediately and demonstrated behavior consistent with someone contemplating running.
– He immediately tried to get out of his car. This is another warning sign to cops that the situation needs special attention. “Stay in the vehicle” is a well-known phrase and applies to all races.
– His “resisting arrest” is pretty obvious… however the cops were very, very quick to respond with immediate violence… making his “resisting” look more defensive than offensive.
Combined with his actions, if he did verbally threaten the cops from inside his car, their response was appropriate… but we will never know… as the mics were “turned off” or “not working”.
Since we are innocent until proven guilty and the police, through intention or incompetence, did not collect evidence proving guilt, it is correct that the judge dropped those charges.
– The cop who put him in a headlock and started hitting his head is William Melendez… so unless he was a “white Hispanic”, this ain’t whitey’s business. It is an issue between those uppity blacks and racist Hispanics. Stop dragging whitey into this.
– The crack possession is unclear. There seems little gain and big risk in planting crack in this guy’s car. Planting crack is something a cop saves for special occasions or people start to see a pattern. This does not seem like a special occasion.
– There are two lines of investigation that need to be done.
Dent was observed leaving a hotel known for drug activity. He claimed he was there to see a “friend”. This can be verified.
Dent can be drug tested. Very few people have serving-size amounts of crack lying around that don’t do crack. A pro-Dent site hinted that he passed a drug test… but was worded in such a way that maybe he didn’t pass a drug test.
Lie detector tests are meaningless and of no value… especially when bragging about being clean in a drug test would be far more valuable.
– If Dent has a varifiable friend at the hotel and comes up clean on a drug test, these cops need to be looked at very closely. If the friend story is BS and/or he tests positive for crack, there is no issue.
Tbone, I cannot say if your blind support for Dent, based off the one-sided emotional rantings of some leftist and race hustling sites, is valid or not.
But because it is rather easy to verify if Dent was visiting a friend or a dealer and if he is a crack user or not, I would guess the parts of this story that are not being reported is where the action is.
If he checks out clean , we will get an indignant follow-up. If he tests positive, or refuses a drug test, and his “friend” cannot be found or turns out to be a known crack dealer, this story will vanish… except when used as an apocryphal statistic against racist white cops.
Leon LaPorte
9 years ago
JoeC: In North Korea, “There exists an increasing psychological distance between people and state.
This is true in the US as well. The WoD’s, for example…
johnnyboy
9 years ago
Another example of why police officers should be fitted with body cameras:
A white police officer in South Carolina was charged with murder Tuesday following a weekend incident that was caught on video and appears to show him fatally shooting a black man eight times as he ran away.
In a graphic video filmed on April 4 by a bystander, obtained by The Post and Courier and the New York Times and posted below, a man identified by authorities as Walter Scott is seen running from a North Charleston police officer, identified as Michael Thomas Slager, 33. The Times, citing police documents, reports the officer claimed to have feared for his life after Scott allegedly took his stun gun during a confrontation after a traffic stop over a broken taillight.
At the beginning of the footage, Scott, 50, can be seen running from the officer, who is shown rapidly firing seven shots. Following a slight pause, the officer fires an eighth, after which Scott falls to the ground. The officer is then heard yelling, “Put your hands behind your back!” before handcuffing Scott, who is lying face down on the ground.
If not for a bystander’s video, I believe this incident stood a fair chance of being ruled a good shoot by the officer.
ChickenHead
9 years ago
A police officer may not seize an unarmed, nondangerous suspect by shooting him dead…however…Where the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or to others, it is not constitutionally unreasonable to prevent escape by using deadly force.
—Justice Byron White, Tennessee v. Garner
This is called the Fleeing Felon Rule.
My armchair legal opinion (caveat emptor) is that this case rests upon one question.
Did the fleeing felon pose a threat after he ran from the police officer? More specifically, did the officer BELIEVE the fleeing felon posed a threat?
It CAN be shown he posed a serious threat PRIOR to running.
The defense might then suggest the officer believed the desperate suspect, who was so unwilling to be apprehended that he attacked an armed officer, posed an even greater threat to any citizens he might encounter in his escape, such as carjacking or a hostage situation… which are not unusual events when a felon is trying to escape the police.
Twelve people will have to decide if this was a reasonable response to insure public safety from a clearly violent felon willing to take exceptional measures to escape or if the gentle aspiring rapper who was just starting to turn his life around was unjustly murdered.
Senator Tim Scott (R) SC
(On Twitter) “After watching the video, the senseless shooting and taking of #WalterScott’s life was absolutely unnecessary and avoidable.”
Governor Nikki Haley (R) SC
“We have many good law enforcement officers in the field. What happened in this case is not acceptable in South Carolina, nor is it reflective of our values or of the way most of our law enforcement officials act, and I assure all South Carolinians that the criminal judicial process will proceed fully. This is a sad time for everyone in South Carolina, and I urge everyone to work together to help our community heal.”
ChickenHead
9 years ago
…said the politicians before the investigation was complete in a climate of afro-appeasement after never having to wrestle a wanted and desperate person trying to take their weapon and then fleeing with the probability of using further violence on innocent citizens while making their escape.
Would they have been equally quick to condemn the officer if the felon had run to the nearest intersection and pulled some woman out of a car by her hair and then led a high-speed chase with her baby in the back?
The meassage has to get out to fight your point in court… not with the police.
johnnyboy
9 years ago
I wish we could see more video of the incident to gain a better understanding of what happened before Scott fled the officer.
To be certain, people need to realize exactly what you said: fight your case verbally in court, not physically while being arrested.
From what video we have, it’s almost certain Scott resisted arrest in some manner or another. Whether he assaulted the officer or not seems hard to ascertain. Also, I wonder if the officer followed protocols and escalation of force policies, or if he had time to. I honestly believe he should have given chase, even if it turns out he was within the law to shoot Scott in the back.
What’s especially damning in my opinion, is that the officer appears to drop something (quite possibly the taser) next to Scott’s body. I think a jury will probably find that disturbing.
Maybe the most curious aspect of all of this is the fact that the black grievance industry is out protesting. The cop is in jail and facing murder charges. The mayor has announced that body cameras have been ordered for all officers. What are their goals in protesting? What more could they hope for in this case?
ChickenHead
9 years ago
Look at this from the perspective of the defense…
“I wish we could see more video of the incident to gain a better understanding of what happened before Scott fled the officer.”
This was a traffic stop but the video starts far from a car. This indicates there was some protracted conflict that moved over some distance. Truth, lie, or embellishment, this plays in the cop’s favor.
“Also, I wonder if the officer followed protocols and escalation of force policies, or if he had time to.”
As I stated before, the protocol is that a fleeing felon can be stopped with deadly force if the cop believes (rightfully or not) that the felon poses a further danger. There are enough examples of fleeing felons jacking cars and endangering/hurting a large number of people. Racial or extreme political believes aside, a jury of reasonable people don’t want their cars stolen or their kids run down by a fleeing felon. This is an easy narrative to sell for the defense.
Further…
“The ‘reasonableness’ of a particular use of force must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight.”
– GRAHAM v. CONNOR, 490 US 386
…so all the armchair analysts and bodyguard-protected politicians have no idea what it is like to struggle with a desperate man over your weapon. Any jury member who has felt helpless, been robbed, been assaulted, etc., is an easy sell that the cop, especially in the heat of the moment, felt it was reasonable to protect the public in the safest and most expedient way.
“I honestly believe he should have given chase, even if it turns out he was within the law to shoot Scott in the back.”
The defense: “After a prolonged struggle with this former trained military member, I felt I was unable to safely engage in a foot chase as he headed toward a densely populated area where there was a greater risk to civilians, either by him stealing an occupied vehicle, taking a hostage, or attempted to take my service weapon just as he had struggled to take my Taser. At the time, my response was what seemed the best to insure public safety.”
“What’s especially damning in my opinion, is that the officer appears to drop something (quite possibly the taser) next to Scott’s body.”
“Appears” is the right word. It appears he went back to the location of the struggle and recovered something… probably the Taser. He then comes back to the body and may have thrown it on the ground… though it is hardly clear what happens. Does he appear to “plant evidence” or does he appear to be securing the Taser (poorly) by bringing it into an area he controls in a very stressful situation?
After watching the full video, near the end when the camera is in a better location, the cop picks something up, somewhat far from the body, that looks like the Taser. Keep in mind, he had no idea that a video was recorded until some time later.
So… if the police report shows the Taser was claimed to be by the body, this cop has a problem. Otherwise, this “planted Taser” is just fake media hype. This can be verified pretty easily. Because it is not being verified, and the media is continuing to run with speculations, it is likely this is all another layer of bullshyt that will get peeled away in court.
In reality, the police department, scared to death of another Ferguson, quickly threw this cop under the bus before a full investigation was completed. Politicians, based only on their un-expert opinion of video analysis and law enforcement, were quick to blame the cop. The media has been very one-sided… with their reporting containing more innuendo than fact… pushing the idea that white cops go around shooting black people simply because they are all racist… while ignoring the danger somebody poses to society that does not respect police (rightfully doing their job in this case) nor fear a physical struggle with an armed officer.
This indicates to me that the story which is being pushed may not reflect the truth.
We saw this with Rodney King… where a view of the full video, rather than the few seconds CNN looped over and over, clearly showed the cops striking him until he stopped moving, at which point they backed up… only to start striking him again when he started to get up and would not stay down. The jury agreed the police acted correctly as “the cut footage would later be cited by members of the jury as essential to the acquittal of the officers”.
This ordeal could very well end with an acquittal and a lawsuit to get his job back… or a tax-payer funded payout (to both the felon and the cop) as, so far, the official reaction at every level has been knee-jerk political rather than investigatory.
As we have seen over and over, from charging the cops in the Rodney King incident to USFK charging the drivers in the infamous 2002 Korean Schoolgirl Incident, political players are more than willing to avoid doing what is correct just to avoid some immediate anger… speaking sternly for emotional public consumption and kicking the can down the road for someone else to deal with large demonstrations and widespread anger over acquittal on a weak (or nonexistent) case… that everybody knew was weak (or nonexistent) from the beginning.
Nobody knows what the final investigation will find or how it will be presented to a jury… but right now, it all stinks of politics and media hype rather than a balanced account of what happened.
…and that indicates that what happened isn’t quite what everyone would like to believe happened.
These expensive flops stem in part from a climate of anxiety after Sept. 11, 2001, heightened by warnings from defense hawks that North Korea and Iran were close to developing long-range missiles capable of reaching the United States.
President George W. Bush, in 2002, ordered an urgent effort to field a homeland missile defense system within two years. In their rush to make that deadline, Missile Defense Agency officials latched onto exotic, unproved concepts without doing a rigorous analysis of their cost and feasibility.
Members of Congress whose states and districts benefited from the spending tenaciously defended the programs, even after their deficiencies became evident.
These conclusions emerge from a review of thousands of pages of expert reports, congressional testimony and other government records, along with interviews with dozens of aerospace and military affairs specialists.
“The management of the organization is one of technologists in their hobby shop,” said L. David Montague, a former president of missile systems for Lockheed Corp. and co-chairman of a National Academy of Sciences-sponsored review of the agency. “They don’t know the nitty-gritty of what it takes to make something work.”
This leads, he said, to programs that “defy the limits of physics and economic logic.”
Leon LaPorte
9 years ago
20: I agree there was terrible pork-barrel politics involved here. That we could do without. However, any audacious program reaps benefits. As with any high tech scientific endeavor, lessons are learned even from failure.
setnaffa
9 years ago
The MIG-25 was designed to shoot down the B-70 (another cancelled program), and was not a particularly agile dog-fighter; but the Soviets spent enough rubles to build about 1200 of ’em…
Reagan’s SDI was cancelled but caused the Soviets to bankrupt themselves.
Dubya and the current occupant of 1600 Penna, the goy running what tbone calls “the most violent power on earth”, obviously weren’t quite as smart about their projects…
tbonetylr
9 years ago
EGGHEAD’s Non-Sequitur…
“—Justice Byron White, Tennessee v. Garner
This is called the Fleeing Felon Rule.”
Who said Walter Scott was a felon? Driving with a taillight out does not equate to a felony you EGGHEAD.
Fleeing from the police is NOT a felony you EGGHEAD!!!
In fact many cops don’t pull over people with tail lights out(but surely if the cop is white and the driver is black) Do you have evidence(VIDEO) or a reliable link that states he’s been found guilty of a felony in the past? Sadly, the white punk cop shot the black man(Walter Scott) and he’ll NEVER get his day in misdemeanor court.
Hero(Feidin Santana) comes forward to tell his story(show his cop murderer video). He waited two days before releasing his “Cop Shooting Black Man in Back Video” only after he read the dishonest police report written by the white cop murderer. The hero(Feidin Santana) is afraid for his life as he knows white cops and their ilk could be hunting him down like an animal to shoot him dead in the back like Walter Scott.
After the white cop shot the Walter Scott in the back the punk cop handcuffed him like a dog lying on his stomach with arms/hands wrenched around on back. After that, the punk cop then went back to where he dropped the his taser gun and planted it/dropped it near the dead black man victim so that he could LIE on the police report saying “The Black Man Had a Gun and Pointed it at ME” which of course was NEVER true.
‘Feidin Santana on S.C. shooting: I told them what they did was an abuse’ ~ VIDEO ~ http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/09/us/south-carolina-witness-video/
“When Santana’s video begins, Scott starts running away from the officer, with Scott’s back to Slager. The video shows Slager shooting at Scott eight times before Scott falls down.
In an interview with NBC’s Matt Lauer, Santana suggested that he was giving media interviews in part to protect himself against retribution.
“At some point I thought about staying anonymous, and don’t show my face, don’t talk about it. But … if I wouldn’t show my face, everybody over there knows, including the police, who I am,” Santana said.
Santana did not say whether he had received threats.”
For everybody else who has some kind of reasoning skills…
Note the last line of Tbone’s quoted CNN article.
“Santana did not say whether he had received threats.”
This is yellow journalism at its finest… much like:
“Tbone did not say how many children he molested that morning.”
The question was intentionally not asked so the “true” statement could be included in the article… pushing the agenda of the “reporter” rather than accurately reporting the situation.
ChickenHead
9 years ago
Prediction: There is something shady with the car Walter Scott was driving. This will eventually trickle out.
tbonetylr
9 years ago
“Yellow journalism”
Well, considering the Eric Gardner videographer of cops beating down/chokeholding/killing Eric Gardner is now in jail with rat poisoning placed in his cell I don’t think it’s “yellow” at all. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/08/eric-garner-videographer-goes-on-prison-hunger-strike.html
“Orta, 23, refuses to eat prison food over fears that New York Corrections Department officers will taint it with rat poison—a complaint echoed by 19 other inmates who filed a lawsuit last month claiming they were sickened by blue-green pellets found in their Rikers meatloaf.”
EGGHEAD says…”Santana did not say whether he had received threats”
I read that as Santana did not want CNN to say the fact that he HAS received threats because he’s afraid of retribution at the least and afraid for his life at the most you EGGHEAD. EGGHEAD, you obviously don’t know what “yellow journalism” is.
tbonetylr
9 years ago
EGGHEAD would call fact checking “yellow journalism” just like Ted Cruz yesterday. Funny EGGHEAD comes up with his “yellow journalism” claim after Ted Cruz. EGGHEAD, you could be a bit more original. We know who EGGHEAD wants for president/2016. EGGHEAD’s periodic poor attempt at humor is worse than that of Ted Cruz which makes EGGHEAD a real EGGHEAD because who is suppose to know when Ted Cruz is “joking?” http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/04/09/ted-cruz-slams-fact-checkers-as-purveyors-of-yellow-journalism/
“Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) on Thursday accused left-leaning reporters and editors of practicing a new brand of “yellow journalism” in the form of fact check articles, which he said purport to catch politicians stretching the truth, but instead tend to advance the Democratic agenda.
Harwood also asked why people should trust Cruz when he says Obamacare is killing jobs, when the U.S. has been adding jobs “at a very healthy clip.”
Cruz replied by saying the IRS line is one he uses as a joke on the campaign trail, and said left-leaning reporters have been reduced to fact checking jokes he makes.
“There is a game that is played by left-wing editorial writers,” Cruz said. “It’s this new species of yellow journalism called PolitiFact.”
Cruz, who is running for president in 2016, sat down with CNBC for an interview, and was asked about his joke that the U.S. should send 125,000 IRS agents to the border. CNBC reporter John Harwood host pointed out that there are only 25,000 IRS agents, and the rest are just IRS workers.”
Well, I guess it is in the spin. Both my kids were driving at 3. My daughter had a pink Barbie Lamboghini, my son had a Jeep. But does a Fisher-Price car really count?
Still not as impressive as 11 Hole-in-Ones the first time picking up a golf club. Got a ways to go to catch up with Daddy.
setnaffa
9 years ago
“11 Hole-in-Ones the first time picking up a golf club.”
As more information trickles out on the Walter Scott shooting, we now learn he was once jailed…
…for assaulting a cop.
Another mythical gentle giant goes down.
So once the media misinformation/select-information campaign has run its course and the politicians have all covered their behinds with indignant condemnation, the final act of afro-appeasement will be first degree murder charges against the cop.
This will calm the restless, sub-educated natives who are already talking about the death penalty.
Of course the cop is not guilty of first degree murder… and will be found not guilty. This will anger the restless natives… but, by then, there will likely be some new target of outrage… or one will be engineered to keep the attention off the acquittal.
In the end, a lot of effort and expense over nothing.
…and no lessons learned… like, don’t run from the cops… and don’t fight with them.
johnnyboy
9 years ago
Revelations of a previous arrest for assaulting a police officer do shed light on Mr. Scott and perhaps what happened that day.
Just judging from the video, it doesn’t appear that Scott posed an immediate threat to anyone which would be and should be required to shoot a man in the back as he is fleeing. That’s strictly judging from the video.
I believe I heard the witness who shot the video say in an interview that the officer and Scott wrestled on the ground. Maybe Scott did try to take the officer’s taser. It just isn’t evident in the video.
Also, I wonder from a legal standpoint what degree of assault on an officer is required before deadly force is authorized, especially once a suspect is in the act of fleeing. I don’t mean to imply that assault on an officer should be taken lightly by any means, but shouldn’t there be a difference between, say stomping a foot and running from a cop, or a more brutal attack with deadly intent just as there are varying degrees of assault between normal citizens?
If a suspect spits on an officer would they be charged with assault? If he spit and ran, could he be legally shot in the back as he fled? I am not trying to engage in demagoguery. This scenario may or may not apply to the incident. Probably not. I am just trying to pose a serious question on the boundaries of lethal force being employed by police officers
I don’t know for sure what happened before the video was taken. Maybe Scott did viciously attack the officer. I am betting that Scott was a dirtbag with a long list of priors. Just like Eric Garner, he probably actively contributed to a situation that led to fatal circumstances for himself. I am just not sure that the officer acted in accordance with the law or with proper procedures. Hopefully more will be revealed by an investigation.
One thing I think we can all agree on: this incident highlights the need for body cameras on all patrol officers. The case against the officer would either be a slam dunk, or there would be no case at all.
johnnyboy
9 years ago
You are right CH. The whole thing doesn’t exactly add up.
First of all, there is some uncertainty over whether Mr. Scott actually had any outstanding warrants for child support as has been claimed. Why run over a busted tail light?
The car hadn’t been purchased yet but was going to be purchased from a neighbor soon? Could the car have been stolen? I would imagine the police would have released that information if so.
It is unclear what happened during the relatively lengthy foot chase. As you said, the shooting took place a good distance from the traffic stop. there could have been time for a struggle. The extent of that struggle is what I am curious about.
I don’t envy police. They sometimes have to make split second decisions in life or death situations. I just can’t help but ask if every instance of resisting arrest or assaulting an officer warrants use of deadly force, even if the suspect is fleeing.
To be sure the media is muddying the waters and going on assumptions. The best I can do is keep an open mind while the investigation is still ongoing.
Also, it should be noted that Ryan Julison has been brought in as a spokesperson for the family. He is the man who framed the optics in the Travon Martin case. Apparently he is the go-to guy for the Black Grievance Industry when they are trying to sell a case nationally.
Actually, Julison is a PR guy, and I don’t think anyone here (save maybe Tbone) has a doubt that the black grievance industry is a very real entity that takes up often erroneous causes to further an agenda.
Although, everyone is supposed to receive equal treatment under the law, O’Mara seems to be implying that police don’t have reason to be more cautious or understandably jumpy around black males. The statistics in regards to murder would show otherwise.
As O’Mara is a paid legal analyst with CNN, I would imagine he is motivated to push their agenda. To try to tie this into a larger racial narrative is irresponsible. Unarmed white men are killed by the police. We just don’t hear about it as often.
I agree with him on the body camera issue. High time that the actions of both officers and citizens are able to be reviewed in contentious situations.
ChickenHead
9 years ago
The media has clouded the issue. The real issue is:
Did the officer feel the fleeing suspect posed a continued danger to himself or others?
Again, “The ‘reasonableness’ of a particular use of force must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight.”
If a jury can be convinced of this, he will be found not guilty of a crime… as he may legally kill a fleeing felon who he believes to be a threat to himself or the public.
Some things to consider:
– Walter Scott was unarmed… but did the officer know this? Legally speaking, If he THOUGHT his Taser had been taken or he had any indication Walter Scott might have had a weapon (such as fleeing when asked to be searched), it strengthens the cops case.
– Statistics on fleeing felons who have assaulted cops… do they endanger civilians in their escape? A quick internet search indicates this happens far more often than “racist white cops” “blowing away” peaceful blacks.
At least two things have to happen to get a conviction:
– A jury must firmly believe a desperate fleeing felon who just attacked a cop, and had a (likely inadmissible) history of attacking a cop, posed no threat to anyone in his impromptu escape.
– The cop must be charged with a crime he might have actually committed. He has been charged with first-degree murder… which it is quite obvious he did not commit. When the jury (rightfully) finds him not guilty of fist degree murder, the Double Jeopardy Clause protects him from more realistic voluntary manslaughter charges. It is very likely everybody involved fully grasps this very intentional political move… which simultaneously sends very clear messages to different levels of society, from the ghetto dwellers (we crack down on” bad” cops with heavy charges) to other cops (shooting someone will be a hassle but we have your back best we can).
More things to consider:
– There has been lots of hype over the “planted” Taser. Apart from the hype being allowed to die naturally, yet with no retraction, it was obvious bullshyt from early on. Consider that the media has had access to the police report for some time. If the police report stated the Taser was found next to the suspect, it would have been headline news.
– Further, despite access to the police report and lots of innuendo that the video proves some sort of crime on the part of the cop, the media has very noticeably NOT come out with any list of points where the report and the video differ. If such a list was possible, it too would be headline news.
– Despite the opening hype, all subsequent information has been to the benefit of the cop… and there is likely more to come. Eventually, when this side of the hype wears thin, a few reporters will start looking at the possible hype they can (within the bounds of political correctness) generate on the other side. Eventually, it will come out why Walter Scott really ran… likely something to do with the car.
So… if the media’s clouds of obscurity are removed, this case, and its likely outcome, are easier to understand.
ChickenHead
9 years ago
JoeC,
Your link is a perfect example of the bullshyt hype surrounding this case.
While we could deconstruct the whole thing, the ending sentence says it all:
” If Slager had been wearing a body camera, Scott would probably still be alive, and Slager wouldn’t be facing the possibility of life in prison — or a possible death sentence.”
Is this azzhole for real? Based on current information, there is no way for this cop to get a life sentence and only an insincere attention whore would dare write about a death sentence.
There is no way this can be shown to be first degree murder. It is highly unlikely it can be second degree murder. Best case for the prosecution, it was voluntary manslaughter… and, as there are a number of mitigating factors and no aggravating factors, life is highly improbable and death is impossible.
If the defense can show the fleeing felon posed a (perceived) risk to the public, it becomes justifiable homicide… and that is not a crime.
Everyone has joined in on the hype to get their few minutes of spotlight… but you must resist it.
johnnyboy
9 years ago
Maybe the cop gets an innocent verdict.
Do you expect the fallout to be any different than Ferguson?
I wonder if average Americans are going to get tired of this racial narrative that is constantly being pushed?
If the majority of mainstream media’s ratings are any indication, it is already happening.
Leon LaPorte
9 years ago
When the guy decided to run from a cop, he put his own life in danger. It was stupid. Don’t do that.
That said, he didn’t deserve to be executed for it. There was no need for the cop to resort to deadly force in that situation. He should certainly be punished.
I too am tired of the racial angle, though I do believe some of it is legitimate. However, the bigger issue is the police themselves. That officer probably would have shot that guy had he been a poor white guy. It just wouldn’t have made the news.
tbonetylr
9 years ago
“only an insincere attention whore would dare write about a death sentence.”
You’re exactly that when you write about…
“fleeing felon”
For the last time, driving with a brake light out is not a felony nor is running from the police, non payment of child support or whatever. The cop had no information about Walter Scott being a “fleeing felon” you “insincere attention whore” EGGHEAD!!!
tbonetylr
9 years ago
“I too am tired of the racial angle”
Just because you’re tired of it doesn’t mean others(cops) don’t use it and think about it everyday/use it against the people they’re suppose to “serve and protect” everyday.
Worcester police officer arrested, faces civil rights, assault charges
Officer Michael Motyka is 17-year veteran of Worcester Police Department
UPDATED 11:26 PM EDT Apr 09, 2015 http://www.wcvb.com/news/worcester-police-officer-arrested-faces-civil-rights-assault-charges/32286738
“The man and a witness said that during the release process, the police officer, who was identified as Michael Motyka, a 17-year veteran of the Worcester Police Department, made a disparaging remark about the man’s “black” skin.
The man also said he was in the holding cell, handcuffed and shackled, when Motyka entered the room, forced him against the wall, punched him, threw him to the floor and kicked him.
“The majority of the incident was caught on security cameras that are in a fixed position down in the holding cell room,” Worcester police Sgt. Kerry Hazelhurst said.
Officials said during that investigation enough evidence was gathered to charge Motyka with assault and battery, assault and battery with a dangerous weapon (shod foot) and a civil rights violation.”
tbonetylr
9 years ago
FBI probing possible civil right violations in California videotaped beating
Updated 12:04 AM ET, Sat April 11, 2015
This is what you get when you listen to police…”Lay Down on Your Stomach and Put Your Hands on Your Back”
In video captured by cameras aboard a helicopter for CNN affiliate KNBC, deputies gather around the man after he falls from a horse he was riding to flee from them. The video shows deputies using a stun gun on him and then repeatedly kicking and hitting him.”
tbonetylr
9 years ago
Stupid and punk cops shoot and kill black mentally ill man with broom stick. Cops must not have been carrying their sticks aye? WARNING: if your child ever has a psychotic episode, DON’T CALL The POLICE…
‘Video shows mentally ill man’s shooting by Miami Gardens police’
April 8, 2015 http://www.cbsnews.com/news/video-shows-mentally-ill-mans-shooting-by-miami-gardens-police/
“MIAMI, Fla. – A dash cam video was released Wednesday showing the moments leading up to the fatal police shooting of a mentally ill man in Miami Gardens, Florida.
CBS Miami reports Lavall Hall, a 25-year-old father, was shot around 5 a.m. on February 15 after his mother, Catherine Daniels, called police to report her son – who she says was diagnosed as being schizophrenic – was having a psychotic episode. She reportedly told authorities she hoped they would take him to a mental health facility.”
tbonetylr
9 years ago
“– Statistics on fleeing felons who have assaulted cops…”
Walter Scott did NOT assault the punkazz racist killer cop. There is NOT a connection. You keep trying to paint Walter Scott as a felon but the cop cannot use your “fleeing felon” excuse when there wasn’t any evidence of such you EGGHEAD!!!
You’re using “yellow journalism” and therefore are once again in your own words…”an insincere attention whore.”
ChickenHead
9 years ago
“Maybe the cop gets an innocent verdict.
Do you expect the fallout to be any different than Ferguson?”
Side note: Nobody gets an innocent verdict… they get “not guilty”.
By the time this works its way through the system, there will probably be new issues for the Afro-agitators to fret over… but who knows.
Consider that everyone looked at Ferguson, where it was pretty clear early on that Michael Brown was a thug who attacked a cop… yet the blacks supported him and burned and looted when no charges were pressed against the cop for what seemed like a justifiable shooting almost from the beginning.
The lessons of the Rodney King riots, politically-motivated charging of the obviously not-guilty for Afro-appeasement, are in the much more distant past… and politicians love to put things off anyway.
Not charging the cop would certainly spark a Ferguson-style response… so that option is out.
Charging him in a weak case might only delay a riot, at the worst… or the attention might fade away between now and then and avoid a riot… especially if some new manufactured crisis emerges and the verdict is strategically released.
The biggest problem is how all the politicians ran their mouths excessively… like Trayvon looking like Obama’s imaginary son. Instead of saying the investigation was ongoing or saying that the video appeared to be enough evidence to start building a murder case, there was an immediate quantity of (likely fake) indignation and outrage produced for the media with little reflection on reality… building false hope and expectations for “justice” in the black community… that may or may not get realized.
“There was no need for the cop to resort to deadly force in that situation.”
…at least no way which is immediately obvious to a guy in front of his computer in Korea who saw part of a low-res narrow-screen video and has never worked in law enforcement.
Without an investigation, nobody knows if he was running toward an area where children were playing or old ladies were parked in their idling cars.
A few seconds of video leaves out most of the story… but gives just enough for speculation.
A quick look at Google Maps and Streetview showed Walter Scott was headed toward a strip mall with plenty of opportunity for carjackings or hostages.
32.8993°N 80.0142°W
Combine this with Walter Scott being convicted for attacking a cop, being convicted for carrying a deadly weapon, and getting a general discharge from the Coast Guard for drug use, and you do not have an innocent gentle giant.
If any of this information came up on the computer during the traffic stop, the cop had plenty of reason to believe Walter Scott was a potential and unpredictable threat to himself and civilians… especially as he had already run, failed to be stopped by a Taser, and successfully fought off a trained policeman trying to subdue him with less-than-lethal techniques.
There is a huge difference between unnecessary no-knock warrants by wannabe-SF cops looking for exciting violence on non-violent offenders with the odds all in their favor… and a lone cop exactly doing his job by responding to a routine traffic stop where the violence unexpectedly came to him.
Knowing that difference is important for keeping the government in check while maintaining social order.
tbonetylr
9 years ago
“More things to consider:
– There has been lots of hype over the “planted” Taser.”
You complain about the media for nor good reason but you do the same by suggesting no evidence of “fleeing felon” or Walter Scott “assaulted cops.”
The story is that a cop caught on VIDEO killed an unarmed black man and planted his taser gun(obstruction of crime scene) next to his victim’s body so that he could use it against 50 year old black man in the future. That’s it! Stop trying to twist it by bringing up “fleeing felon” and “assault on cops.” You F****** EGGHEAD!!! Walter Scott is/was NOT a felon. You yellow B*ST*RD.
Korean Adoptee Deportation
This man needs to get deported ASAP, send this “FLEEING FELON” criminal, burglar, assaulter, etc…back to his S. Korean home country.
South Korean adoptee: Deportation looms for man, 39, adopted in U.S. when just 3 http://www.examiner.com/article/south-korean-adoptee-deportation-looms-for-man-39-adopted-u-s-when-just-3
“Adam’s life was tough, starting at a young age. He dropped out of high school in ninth grade because he was being teased about the abuse he got from his adoptive parents at home.”
tbonetylr
9 years ago
Dumbazz yellow EGGHEAD says…”Combine this with Walter Scott being convicted for attacking a cop, being convicted for carrying a deadly weapon, and getting a general discharge from the Coast Guard for drug use, and you do not have an innocent gentle giant.
If any of this information came up on the computer during the traffic stop, the cop had plenty of reason to believe Walter Scott was a potential and unpredictable threat to himself and civilians…”
More of your “Yellow Journalism” tripe you hypocrite EGGHEAD!!!
ChickenHead
9 years ago
“assaulted cops.”
“fleeing felon”
“They were down on the floor before I started recording. I remember the police had control of the situation. He had control of Scott. And Scott was trying just to get away from the Taser.” – Feidin Santan, videographer
Something happened between the time they were “down on the floor” and when the video started recording. It is likely that any act Walter Scott did to make the cop lose control of the situation was felony resisting arrest
It is also possible that the witness lied against the police… just like the Gentle Giant’s friend.
“The story is that a cop caught on VIDEO killed an unarmed black man”
No. That is part of the story. Other parts are why did he run and what was his intention… or, more accurately, why did the cop THINK he ran and what did the cop THINK his intention was. These will be equally important as the video in court.
“and planted his taser gun(obstruction of crime scene) next to his victim’s body so that he could use it against 50 year old black man in the future.”
This is highly misinterpreted by the ignorant and politicians… but I repeat myself.
Police are required to keep control of their weapons. Moving it to the area where he is present appears sloppy… but it is hardly a “plant”. If he claimed in (the yet unreleased) report that Walter Scott took his Taser and dropped it after being shot, he has a problem… not because of the video but because even a cursory investigation would fail to find prints consistent with that story. He already knows this.
Tbone, if the police report shows the cop planted the Taser and made false claims, I will move to your side quickly. As of now, I see a very professional traffic stop followed by a shooting… that may turn out to be highly professional if the cop believed the suspect posed a danger. It could also be a crime of passion… voluntary manslaughter. There is no indication it premeditated murder.
“Walter Scott is/was NOT a felon.”
That depends on if his bad conduct discharge was at a special or general court marshal… and that probably depends if he was a user or distributor… assuming the Coast Guard works the same as other services. It also depends on the results of assaulting a police officer the first time.
“You yellow B*ST*RD.”
Wong on both counts.
An interesting idea… if they had found a girl tied up in the trunk, the officer would have been labeled a hero for the exact same actions.
USA is the most violent power on earth so Iran(and of course everyone else) better watch out!
Cops killed at least 111 people in March, 2015 and guess what…the deaths follow a national pattern: suspects were mostly people of color, mentally ill, or both.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/04/01/3641143/use-of-force-incidents-march/
Michigan cops(10) probed over violent traffic stop(VIDEO)…
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/police-officers-beat-tased-floyd-dent-traffic-stop-under-investigation/
“Dashcam video from January shows an officer beating and using a Taser on 57-year-old Floyd Dent.
Dent, a former auto worker with no criminal history, and the cops, have differing stories describing how the traffic stop turned into a bloody beat down.
It’s another case involving white cops and a black suspect in a city that is largely African American, with questions of whether excessive force was used. Officers say they thought he was reaching for a gun.
Seconds after the two Inkster, Michigan police officers approach Dent’s car, they pull him to the street.
No audio of the incident exists, but according to Dent, the officers told him to, “get out the car” or they’d “blow [his] brains out.”
Once on the ground, one of the officers put him in a chokehold, then began punching him in the head — 16 times. “I told him ‘I can’t breathe’ and he kept on choking me,” Dent said.
More officers arrived and used the Taser on him at least three times before he was finally brought to his feet, his face bloodied and clothes torn.”
Floyd Dent, now Floyd Dented, is a hard case to know.
One thing is sure. The news reports edited the video to tell a very different story from the raw video… much as was done with the Rodney King video.
This is a pretty easy situation to resolve… which the “news” conspicuously didn’t address. Give Floyd a drug test. Depend on the results for crack, this investigation can go in very diffetent directions.
Whatever the case, Floyd certainly can’t be too dumb to know jumping out of the car after not stopping immediately and then resisting arrest has only one outcome.
Judging by his behavior, certainly noted by the cops, it would seem the crack in the car was his and he panicked when the police car tried to pull him over… not stopping immediately while trying to think about what to do… getting out of the car to put physical distance between himself and the evidence… arguing in desperation.
Todsy’s ultra-violence cops aren’t having anything but immediate and absolute compliance… which is an issue much larger than this example.
Side Note: One of the black stars from Fox’s Empire came out about racist cops harassing her son. That was on the news. The followup, that got much less press, is the police releasing the video of the incident. It is a textbook case of protect and serve.
The video is well worth wstching to restore a bit of faith in the police…. though it also is a reminder of all the fake racism.
I saw that video of the star’s son being pulled over. I’m paraphrasing but it went something like this:
“Shucks. I’m really sorry, sir, but I’m gonna hafta take your weed. I’m not giving you a ticket for the traffic violation because I care about your driving record, but here’s a citation for the marijuana. Show the judge your medicinal marijuana permit and you’ll probably get off scot free. Have a nice day and stay safe out here.”
Racism cut and dry.
EGGHEAD says…
“Whatever the case, Floyd certainly can’t be too dumb to know jumping out of the car after not stopping immediately and then resisting arrest has only one outcome.”
Why are you such an EGGHEAD that only sees what you want to? If you’d have clicked on the link are read and/or understood English you’d have learned that your “stopping immediately” isn’t a crime nor did he “resist” arrest since the judge saw the video differently than you…
CBS link as provided before in comment #2
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/police-officers-beat-tased-floyd-dent-traffic-stop-under-investigation/
“A district judge threw out two of the three original charges, assault and resisting arrest, after reviewing the dashcam tape. Dent still faces the drug charge.”
The drug charge will be dropped too or he won’t be found guilty.
Drugs planted(by Robocop) in Floyd Dent’s car(see him pull it out of his pocket in video)…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PexJV4q91F8
The cop(AKA ROBOCOP) has been charged for planting evidence before but got off. This time I don’t think he will if he’s ever charged.
Dent’s fingerprints won’t be found on Robocop’s baggie of cocaine or whatever and Dent passed a lie detector test.
In North Korea, “There exists an increasing psychological distance between people and state.”
If that officer planted that evidence, I hope he gets put under the prison.
Using a position of authority for ill deeds is a breach of public trust and deserves punishment to the max extent of the law.
Unfortunately, in today’s environment, even seemingly slam dunk evidence such as the video doesn’t always guarantee a police officer will be served justice. Just like the Black Grievance Industry, most police officers will defend their brothers and sisters to the end, right or wrong.
US bomber crew shot down over Japan were dissected while ALIVE as part of macabre WW2 experiments: Japanese university acknowledges full details of atrocity 70 years on
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3028694/U-S-POWs-shot-Japan-70-years-ago-dissected-ALIVE-macabre-experiments-controversial-new-exhibition-shows.html
Time to bring Snoopy out of retirement?
North Korea still flying biplanes, change from a khaki paint scheme to a green on top, light blue on bottom pattern:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-32202641
Well, the norKs have had a bit of success with light blue painted drones.
I also remember a time when I was in the Navy. The aft lookout reported a biplane approaching from astern, and reported it to the bridge. The brige blew him off, as there was nothing on radar. He reported it again, then the plane flew up the starboard side, flew a circle in front of the ship, then flew down the port side. Not an attack, just a civilian pilot out enjoying an afternoon off of San Diego. The CO was pretty steamed with the Officer of the Deck for ignoring the lookout!
The norKs have also been doing parachute drop drills, and there is the obligitory pic of Fatman at the controls. While I don’t think the North will have much success invading South Korea with a handful of WWI era aircraft, I’ve always wondered what would happen if the norKs tried a Mumbai Massacre type of attack.
A suicide attack against the North Korean Refugee Assimilation Center would make quite the statement…
Geologist claims Jesus was married… and had a SON: Expert says he has proof son of God was buried in ‘family tomb’ along with wife Mary and his brother
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3028617/Was-Jesus-buried-wife-son-Chemical-signature-links-James-Ossuary-Jesus-Family-tomb-geologist-claims.html
After watching the full, unedited Dent video:
– He did not pull over immediately and demonstrated behavior consistent with someone contemplating running.
– He immediately tried to get out of his car. This is another warning sign to cops that the situation needs special attention. “Stay in the vehicle” is a well-known phrase and applies to all races.
– His “resisting arrest” is pretty obvious… however the cops were very, very quick to respond with immediate violence… making his “resisting” look more defensive than offensive.
Combined with his actions, if he did verbally threaten the cops from inside his car, their response was appropriate… but we will never know… as the mics were “turned off” or “not working”.
Since we are innocent until proven guilty and the police, through intention or incompetence, did not collect evidence proving guilt, it is correct that the judge dropped those charges.
– The cop who put him in a headlock and started hitting his head is William Melendez… so unless he was a “white Hispanic”, this ain’t whitey’s business. It is an issue between those uppity blacks and racist Hispanics. Stop dragging whitey into this.
– The crack possession is unclear. There seems little gain and big risk in planting crack in this guy’s car. Planting crack is something a cop saves for special occasions or people start to see a pattern. This does not seem like a special occasion.
– There are two lines of investigation that need to be done.
Dent was observed leaving a hotel known for drug activity. He claimed he was there to see a “friend”. This can be verified.
Dent can be drug tested. Very few people have serving-size amounts of crack lying around that don’t do crack. A pro-Dent site hinted that he passed a drug test… but was worded in such a way that maybe he didn’t pass a drug test.
Lie detector tests are meaningless and of no value… especially when bragging about being clean in a drug test would be far more valuable.
– If Dent has a varifiable friend at the hotel and comes up clean on a drug test, these cops need to be looked at very closely. If the friend story is BS and/or he tests positive for crack, there is no issue.
Tbone, I cannot say if your blind support for Dent, based off the one-sided emotional rantings of some leftist and race hustling sites, is valid or not.
But because it is rather easy to verify if Dent was visiting a friend or a dealer and if he is a crack user or not, I would guess the parts of this story that are not being reported is where the action is.
If he checks out clean , we will get an indignant follow-up. If he tests positive, or refuses a drug test, and his “friend” cannot be found or turns out to be a known crack dealer, this story will vanish… except when used as an apocryphal statistic against racist white cops.
JoeC: In North Korea, “There exists an increasing psychological distance between people and state.
This is true in the US as well. The WoD’s, for example…
Another example of why police officers should be fitted with body cameras:
http://time.com/3774788/south-carolina-police-shooting-video/
A white police officer in South Carolina was charged with murder Tuesday following a weekend incident that was caught on video and appears to show him fatally shooting a black man eight times as he ran away.
In a graphic video filmed on April 4 by a bystander, obtained by The Post and Courier and the New York Times and posted below, a man identified by authorities as Walter Scott is seen running from a North Charleston police officer, identified as Michael Thomas Slager, 33. The Times, citing police documents, reports the officer claimed to have feared for his life after Scott allegedly took his stun gun during a confrontation after a traffic stop over a broken taillight.
At the beginning of the footage, Scott, 50, can be seen running from the officer, who is shown rapidly firing seven shots. Following a slight pause, the officer fires an eighth, after which Scott falls to the ground. The officer is then heard yelling, “Put your hands behind your back!” before handcuffing Scott, who is lying face down on the ground.
If not for a bystander’s video, I believe this incident stood a fair chance of being ruled a good shoot by the officer.
A police officer may not seize an unarmed, nondangerous suspect by shooting him dead…however…Where the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or to others, it is not constitutionally unreasonable to prevent escape by using deadly force.
—Justice Byron White, Tennessee v. Garner
This is called the Fleeing Felon Rule.
My armchair legal opinion (caveat emptor) is that this case rests upon one question.
Did the fleeing felon pose a threat after he ran from the police officer? More specifically, did the officer BELIEVE the fleeing felon posed a threat?
It CAN be shown he posed a serious threat PRIOR to running.
The defense might then suggest the officer believed the desperate suspect, who was so unwilling to be apprehended that he attacked an armed officer, posed an even greater threat to any citizens he might encounter in his escape, such as carjacking or a hostage situation… which are not unusual events when a felon is trying to escape the police.
Twelve people will have to decide if this was a reasonable response to insure public safety from a clearly violent felon willing to take exceptional measures to escape or if the gentle aspiring rapper who was just starting to turn his life around was unjustly murdered.
Tim Scott and Nikki Haley on SC shooting
http://www.thestate.com/news/local/crime/article17779277.html
Senator Tim Scott (R) SC
(On Twitter) “After watching the video, the senseless shooting and taking of #WalterScott’s life was absolutely unnecessary and avoidable.”
Governor Nikki Haley (R) SC
“We have many good law enforcement officers in the field. What happened in this case is not acceptable in South Carolina, nor is it reflective of our values or of the way most of our law enforcement officials act, and I assure all South Carolinians that the criminal judicial process will proceed fully. This is a sad time for everyone in South Carolina, and I urge everyone to work together to help our community heal.”
…said the politicians before the investigation was complete in a climate of afro-appeasement after never having to wrestle a wanted and desperate person trying to take their weapon and then fleeing with the probability of using further violence on innocent citizens while making their escape.
Would they have been equally quick to condemn the officer if the felon had run to the nearest intersection and pulled some woman out of a car by her hair and then led a high-speed chase with her baby in the back?
The meassage has to get out to fight your point in court… not with the police.
I wish we could see more video of the incident to gain a better understanding of what happened before Scott fled the officer.
To be certain, people need to realize exactly what you said: fight your case verbally in court, not physically while being arrested.
From what video we have, it’s almost certain Scott resisted arrest in some manner or another. Whether he assaulted the officer or not seems hard to ascertain. Also, I wonder if the officer followed protocols and escalation of force policies, or if he had time to. I honestly believe he should have given chase, even if it turns out he was within the law to shoot Scott in the back.
What’s especially damning in my opinion, is that the officer appears to drop something (quite possibly the taser) next to Scott’s body. I think a jury will probably find that disturbing.
Maybe the most curious aspect of all of this is the fact that the black grievance industry is out protesting. The cop is in jail and facing murder charges. The mayor has announced that body cameras have been ordered for all officers. What are their goals in protesting? What more could they hope for in this case?
Look at this from the perspective of the defense…
“I wish we could see more video of the incident to gain a better understanding of what happened before Scott fled the officer.”
This was a traffic stop but the video starts far from a car. This indicates there was some protracted conflict that moved over some distance. Truth, lie, or embellishment, this plays in the cop’s favor.
“Also, I wonder if the officer followed protocols and escalation of force policies, or if he had time to.”
As I stated before, the protocol is that a fleeing felon can be stopped with deadly force if the cop believes (rightfully or not) that the felon poses a further danger. There are enough examples of fleeing felons jacking cars and endangering/hurting a large number of people. Racial or extreme political believes aside, a jury of reasonable people don’t want their cars stolen or their kids run down by a fleeing felon. This is an easy narrative to sell for the defense.
Further…
“The ‘reasonableness’ of a particular use of force must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight.”
– GRAHAM v. CONNOR, 490 US 386
…so all the armchair analysts and bodyguard-protected politicians have no idea what it is like to struggle with a desperate man over your weapon. Any jury member who has felt helpless, been robbed, been assaulted, etc., is an easy sell that the cop, especially in the heat of the moment, felt it was reasonable to protect the public in the safest and most expedient way.
“I honestly believe he should have given chase, even if it turns out he was within the law to shoot Scott in the back.”
The defense: “After a prolonged struggle with this former trained military member, I felt I was unable to safely engage in a foot chase as he headed toward a densely populated area where there was a greater risk to civilians, either by him stealing an occupied vehicle, taking a hostage, or attempted to take my service weapon just as he had struggled to take my Taser. At the time, my response was what seemed the best to insure public safety.”
“What’s especially damning in my opinion, is that the officer appears to drop something (quite possibly the taser) next to Scott’s body.”
“Appears” is the right word. It appears he went back to the location of the struggle and recovered something… probably the Taser. He then comes back to the body and may have thrown it on the ground… though it is hardly clear what happens. Does he appear to “plant evidence” or does he appear to be securing the Taser (poorly) by bringing it into an area he controls in a very stressful situation?
After watching the full video, near the end when the camera is in a better location, the cop picks something up, somewhat far from the body, that looks like the Taser. Keep in mind, he had no idea that a video was recorded until some time later.
So… if the police report shows the Taser was claimed to be by the body, this cop has a problem. Otherwise, this “planted Taser” is just fake media hype. This can be verified pretty easily. Because it is not being verified, and the media is continuing to run with speculations, it is likely this is all another layer of bullshyt that will get peeled away in court.
In reality, the police department, scared to death of another Ferguson, quickly threw this cop under the bus before a full investigation was completed. Politicians, based only on their un-expert opinion of video analysis and law enforcement, were quick to blame the cop. The media has been very one-sided… with their reporting containing more innuendo than fact… pushing the idea that white cops go around shooting black people simply because they are all racist… while ignoring the danger somebody poses to society that does not respect police (rightfully doing their job in this case) nor fear a physical struggle with an armed officer.
This indicates to me that the story which is being pushed may not reflect the truth.
We saw this with Rodney King… where a view of the full video, rather than the few seconds CNN looped over and over, clearly showed the cops striking him until he stopped moving, at which point they backed up… only to start striking him again when he started to get up and would not stay down. The jury agreed the police acted correctly as “the cut footage would later be cited by members of the jury as essential to the acquittal of the officers”.
This ordeal could very well end with an acquittal and a lawsuit to get his job back… or a tax-payer funded payout (to both the felon and the cop) as, so far, the official reaction at every level has been knee-jerk political rather than investigatory.
As we have seen over and over, from charging the cops in the Rodney King incident to USFK charging the drivers in the infamous 2002 Korean Schoolgirl Incident, political players are more than willing to avoid doing what is correct just to avoid some immediate anger… speaking sternly for emotional public consumption and kicking the can down the road for someone else to deal with large demonstrations and widespread anger over acquittal on a weak (or nonexistent) case… that everybody knew was weak (or nonexistent) from the beginning.
Nobody knows what the final investigation will find or how it will be presented to a jury… but right now, it all stinks of politics and media hype rather than a balanced account of what happened.
…and that indicates that what happened isn’t quite what everyone would like to believe happened.
We will see when the court reads the verdict.
Missile Defense Money Pits
20: I agree there was terrible pork-barrel politics involved here. That we could do without. However, any audacious program reaps benefits. As with any high tech scientific endeavor, lessons are learned even from failure.
The MIG-25 was designed to shoot down the B-70 (another cancelled program), and was not a particularly agile dog-fighter; but the Soviets spent enough rubles to build about 1200 of ’em…
Reagan’s SDI was cancelled but caused the Soviets to bankrupt themselves.
Dubya and the current occupant of 1600 Penna, the goy running what tbone calls “the most violent power on earth”, obviously weren’t quite as smart about their projects…
EGGHEAD’s Non-Sequitur…
“—Justice Byron White, Tennessee v. Garner
This is called the Fleeing Felon Rule.”
Who said Walter Scott was a felon? Driving with a taillight out does not equate to a felony you EGGHEAD.
Fleeing from the police is NOT a felony you EGGHEAD!!!
In fact many cops don’t pull over people with tail lights out(but surely if the cop is white and the driver is black) Do you have evidence(VIDEO) or a reliable link that states he’s been found guilty of a felony in the past? Sadly, the white punk cop shot the black man(Walter Scott) and he’ll NEVER get his day in misdemeanor court.
Hero(Feidin Santana) comes forward to tell his story(show his cop murderer video). He waited two days before releasing his “Cop Shooting Black Man in Back Video” only after he read the dishonest police report written by the white cop murderer. The hero(Feidin Santana) is afraid for his life as he knows white cops and their ilk could be hunting him down like an animal to shoot him dead in the back like Walter Scott.
After the white cop shot the Walter Scott in the back the punk cop handcuffed him like a dog lying on his stomach with arms/hands wrenched around on back. After that, the punk cop then went back to where he dropped the his taser gun and planted it/dropped it near the dead black man victim so that he could LIE on the police report saying “The Black Man Had a Gun and Pointed it at ME” which of course was NEVER true.
‘Feidin Santana on S.C. shooting: I told them what they did was an abuse’ ~ VIDEO ~
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/09/us/south-carolina-witness-video/
“When Santana’s video begins, Scott starts running away from the officer, with Scott’s back to Slager. The video shows Slager shooting at Scott eight times before Scott falls down.
In an interview with NBC’s Matt Lauer, Santana suggested that he was giving media interviews in part to protect himself against retribution.
“At some point I thought about staying anonymous, and don’t show my face, don’t talk about it. But … if I wouldn’t show my face, everybody over there knows, including the police, who I am,” Santana said.
Santana did not say whether he had received threats.”
Fleeing Felon Flees Felony Resisting Arrest. Q.E.D.
For everybody else who has some kind of reasoning skills…
Note the last line of Tbone’s quoted CNN article.
“Santana did not say whether he had received threats.”
This is yellow journalism at its finest… much like:
“Tbone did not say how many children he molested that morning.”
The question was intentionally not asked so the “true” statement could be included in the article… pushing the agenda of the “reporter” rather than accurately reporting the situation.
Prediction: There is something shady with the car Walter Scott was driving. This will eventually trickle out.
“Yellow journalism”
Well, considering the Eric Gardner videographer of cops beating down/chokeholding/killing Eric Gardner is now in jail with rat poisoning placed in his cell I don’t think it’s “yellow” at all.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/08/eric-garner-videographer-goes-on-prison-hunger-strike.html
“Orta, 23, refuses to eat prison food over fears that New York Corrections Department officers will taint it with rat poison—a complaint echoed by 19 other inmates who filed a lawsuit last month claiming they were sickened by blue-green pellets found in their Rikers meatloaf.”
EGGHEAD says…”Santana did not say whether he had received threats”
I read that as Santana did not want CNN to say the fact that he HAS received threats because he’s afraid of retribution at the least and afraid for his life at the most you EGGHEAD. EGGHEAD, you obviously don’t know what “yellow journalism” is.
EGGHEAD would call fact checking “yellow journalism” just like Ted Cruz yesterday. Funny EGGHEAD comes up with his “yellow journalism” claim after Ted Cruz. EGGHEAD, you could be a bit more original. We know who EGGHEAD wants for president/2016. EGGHEAD’s periodic poor attempt at humor is worse than that of Ted Cruz which makes EGGHEAD a real EGGHEAD because who is suppose to know when Ted Cruz is “joking?”
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/04/09/ted-cruz-slams-fact-checkers-as-purveyors-of-yellow-journalism/
“Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) on Thursday accused left-leaning reporters and editors of practicing a new brand of “yellow journalism” in the form of fact check articles, which he said purport to catch politicians stretching the truth, but instead tend to advance the Democratic agenda.
Harwood also asked why people should trust Cruz when he says Obamacare is killing jobs, when the U.S. has been adding jobs “at a very healthy clip.”
Cruz replied by saying the IRS line is one he uses as a joke on the campaign trail, and said left-leaning reporters have been reduced to fact checking jokes he makes.
“There is a game that is played by left-wing editorial writers,” Cruz said. “It’s this new species of yellow journalism called PolitiFact.”
Cruz, who is running for president in 2016, sat down with CNBC for an interview, and was asked about his joke that the U.S. should send 125,000 IRS agents to the border. CNBC reporter John Harwood host pointed out that there are only 25,000 IRS agents, and the rest are just IRS workers.”
The Latest Amazing Things a North Korean Leader can do:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/09/kim-jong-un-drive-at-3_n_7037314.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
Well, I guess it is in the spin. Both my kids were driving at 3. My daughter had a pink Barbie Lamboghini, my son had a Jeep. But does a Fisher-Price car really count?
Still not as impressive as 11 Hole-in-Ones the first time picking up a golf club. Got a ways to go to catch up with Daddy.
“11 Hole-in-Ones the first time picking up a golf club.”
http://m0.her.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/wall-damage.png
As more information trickles out on the Walter Scott shooting, we now learn he was once jailed…
…for assaulting a cop.
Another mythical gentle giant goes down.
So once the media misinformation/select-information campaign has run its course and the politicians have all covered their behinds with indignant condemnation, the final act of afro-appeasement will be first degree murder charges against the cop.
This will calm the restless, sub-educated natives who are already talking about the death penalty.
Of course the cop is not guilty of first degree murder… and will be found not guilty. This will anger the restless natives… but, by then, there will likely be some new target of outrage… or one will be engineered to keep the attention off the acquittal.
In the end, a lot of effort and expense over nothing.
…and no lessons learned… like, don’t run from the cops… and don’t fight with them.
Revelations of a previous arrest for assaulting a police officer do shed light on Mr. Scott and perhaps what happened that day.
Just judging from the video, it doesn’t appear that Scott posed an immediate threat to anyone which would be and should be required to shoot a man in the back as he is fleeing. That’s strictly judging from the video.
I believe I heard the witness who shot the video say in an interview that the officer and Scott wrestled on the ground. Maybe Scott did try to take the officer’s taser. It just isn’t evident in the video.
Also, I wonder from a legal standpoint what degree of assault on an officer is required before deadly force is authorized, especially once a suspect is in the act of fleeing. I don’t mean to imply that assault on an officer should be taken lightly by any means, but shouldn’t there be a difference between, say stomping a foot and running from a cop, or a more brutal attack with deadly intent just as there are varying degrees of assault between normal citizens?
If a suspect spits on an officer would they be charged with assault? If he spit and ran, could he be legally shot in the back as he fled? I am not trying to engage in demagoguery. This scenario may or may not apply to the incident. Probably not. I am just trying to pose a serious question on the boundaries of lethal force being employed by police officers
I don’t know for sure what happened before the video was taken. Maybe Scott did viciously attack the officer. I am betting that Scott was a dirtbag with a long list of priors. Just like Eric Garner, he probably actively contributed to a situation that led to fatal circumstances for himself. I am just not sure that the officer acted in accordance with the law or with proper procedures. Hopefully more will be revealed by an investigation.
One thing I think we can all agree on: this incident highlights the need for body cameras on all patrol officers. The case against the officer would either be a slam dunk, or there would be no case at all.
You are right CH. The whole thing doesn’t exactly add up.
First of all, there is some uncertainty over whether Mr. Scott actually had any outstanding warrants for child support as has been claimed. Why run over a busted tail light?
The car hadn’t been purchased yet but was going to be purchased from a neighbor soon? Could the car have been stolen? I would imagine the police would have released that information if so.
It is unclear what happened during the relatively lengthy foot chase. As you said, the shooting took place a good distance from the traffic stop. there could have been time for a struggle. The extent of that struggle is what I am curious about.
I don’t envy police. They sometimes have to make split second decisions in life or death situations. I just can’t help but ask if every instance of resisting arrest or assaulting an officer warrants use of deadly force, even if the suspect is fleeing.
To be sure the media is muddying the waters and going on assumptions. The best I can do is keep an open mind while the investigation is still ongoing.
Also, it should be noted that Ryan Julison has been brought in as a spokesperson for the family. He is the man who framed the optics in the Travon Martin case. Apparently he is the go-to guy for the Black Grievance Industry when they are trying to sell a case nationally.
#33
Since you mention Martin’s lawyer and the Grievance Industry, you might be surprised to read what Zimmerman’s lawyer, had to say about this shooting, particularly in his last 5 paragraphs.
Actually, Julison is a PR guy, and I don’t think anyone here (save maybe Tbone) has a doubt that the black grievance industry is a very real entity that takes up often erroneous causes to further an agenda.
Although, everyone is supposed to receive equal treatment under the law, O’Mara seems to be implying that police don’t have reason to be more cautious or understandably jumpy around black males. The statistics in regards to murder would show otherwise.
As O’Mara is a paid legal analyst with CNN, I would imagine he is motivated to push their agenda. To try to tie this into a larger racial narrative is irresponsible. Unarmed white men are killed by the police. We just don’t hear about it as often.
I agree with him on the body camera issue. High time that the actions of both officers and citizens are able to be reviewed in contentious situations.
The media has clouded the issue. The real issue is:
Did the officer feel the fleeing suspect posed a continued danger to himself or others?
Again, “The ‘reasonableness’ of a particular use of force must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight.”
If a jury can be convinced of this, he will be found not guilty of a crime… as he may legally kill a fleeing felon who he believes to be a threat to himself or the public.
Some things to consider:
– Walter Scott was unarmed… but did the officer know this? Legally speaking, If he THOUGHT his Taser had been taken or he had any indication Walter Scott might have had a weapon (such as fleeing when asked to be searched), it strengthens the cops case.
– Statistics on fleeing felons who have assaulted cops… do they endanger civilians in their escape? A quick internet search indicates this happens far more often than “racist white cops” “blowing away” peaceful blacks.
At least two things have to happen to get a conviction:
– A jury must firmly believe a desperate fleeing felon who just attacked a cop, and had a (likely inadmissible) history of attacking a cop, posed no threat to anyone in his impromptu escape.
– The cop must be charged with a crime he might have actually committed. He has been charged with first-degree murder… which it is quite obvious he did not commit. When the jury (rightfully) finds him not guilty of fist degree murder, the Double Jeopardy Clause protects him from more realistic voluntary manslaughter charges. It is very likely everybody involved fully grasps this very intentional political move… which simultaneously sends very clear messages to different levels of society, from the ghetto dwellers (we crack down on” bad” cops with heavy charges) to other cops (shooting someone will be a hassle but we have your back best we can).
More things to consider:
– There has been lots of hype over the “planted” Taser. Apart from the hype being allowed to die naturally, yet with no retraction, it was obvious bullshyt from early on. Consider that the media has had access to the police report for some time. If the police report stated the Taser was found next to the suspect, it would have been headline news.
– Further, despite access to the police report and lots of innuendo that the video proves some sort of crime on the part of the cop, the media has very noticeably NOT come out with any list of points where the report and the video differ. If such a list was possible, it too would be headline news.
– Despite the opening hype, all subsequent information has been to the benefit of the cop… and there is likely more to come. Eventually, when this side of the hype wears thin, a few reporters will start looking at the possible hype they can (within the bounds of political correctness) generate on the other side. Eventually, it will come out why Walter Scott really ran… likely something to do with the car.
So… if the media’s clouds of obscurity are removed, this case, and its likely outcome, are easier to understand.
JoeC,
Your link is a perfect example of the bullshyt hype surrounding this case.
While we could deconstruct the whole thing, the ending sentence says it all:
” If Slager had been wearing a body camera, Scott would probably still be alive, and Slager wouldn’t be facing the possibility of life in prison — or a possible death sentence.”
Is this azzhole for real? Based on current information, there is no way for this cop to get a life sentence and only an insincere attention whore would dare write about a death sentence.
There is no way this can be shown to be first degree murder. It is highly unlikely it can be second degree murder. Best case for the prosecution, it was voluntary manslaughter… and, as there are a number of mitigating factors and no aggravating factors, life is highly improbable and death is impossible.
If the defense can show the fleeing felon posed a (perceived) risk to the public, it becomes justifiable homicide… and that is not a crime.
Everyone has joined in on the hype to get their few minutes of spotlight… but you must resist it.
Maybe the cop gets an innocent verdict.
Do you expect the fallout to be any different than Ferguson?
I wonder if average Americans are going to get tired of this racial narrative that is constantly being pushed?
If the majority of mainstream media’s ratings are any indication, it is already happening.
When the guy decided to run from a cop, he put his own life in danger. It was stupid. Don’t do that.
That said, he didn’t deserve to be executed for it. There was no need for the cop to resort to deadly force in that situation. He should certainly be punished.
I too am tired of the racial angle, though I do believe some of it is legitimate. However, the bigger issue is the police themselves. That officer probably would have shot that guy had he been a poor white guy. It just wouldn’t have made the news.
“only an insincere attention whore would dare write about a death sentence.”
You’re exactly that when you write about…
“fleeing felon”
For the last time, driving with a brake light out is not a felony nor is running from the police, non payment of child support or whatever. The cop had no information about Walter Scott being a “fleeing felon” you “insincere attention whore” EGGHEAD!!!
“I too am tired of the racial angle”
Just because you’re tired of it doesn’t mean others(cops) don’t use it and think about it everyday/use it against the people they’re suppose to “serve and protect” everyday.
Worcester police officer arrested, faces civil rights, assault charges
Officer Michael Motyka is 17-year veteran of Worcester Police Department
UPDATED 11:26 PM EDT Apr 09, 2015
http://www.wcvb.com/news/worcester-police-officer-arrested-faces-civil-rights-assault-charges/32286738
“The man and a witness said that during the release process, the police officer, who was identified as Michael Motyka, a 17-year veteran of the Worcester Police Department, made a disparaging remark about the man’s “black” skin.
The man also said he was in the holding cell, handcuffed and shackled, when Motyka entered the room, forced him against the wall, punched him, threw him to the floor and kicked him.
“The majority of the incident was caught on security cameras that are in a fixed position down in the holding cell room,” Worcester police Sgt. Kerry Hazelhurst said.
Officials said during that investigation enough evidence was gathered to charge Motyka with assault and battery, assault and battery with a dangerous weapon (shod foot) and a civil rights violation.”
FBI probing possible civil right violations in California videotaped beating
Updated 12:04 AM ET, Sat April 11, 2015
This is what you get when you listen to police…”Lay Down on Your Stomach and Put Your Hands on Your Back”
Or, this is what happens when you stop “fleeing.”
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/10/us/california-san-bernardino-police-beating/index.html
“Ten deputies identified as being involved in the case have been put on paid administrative leave, McMahon said Friday at a news conference
In video captured by cameras aboard a helicopter for CNN affiliate KNBC, deputies gather around the man after he falls from a horse he was riding to flee from them. The video shows deputies using a stun gun on him and then repeatedly kicking and hitting him.”
Stupid and punk cops shoot and kill black mentally ill man with broom stick. Cops must not have been carrying their sticks aye? WARNING: if your child ever has a psychotic episode, DON’T CALL The POLICE…
‘Video shows mentally ill man’s shooting by Miami Gardens police’
April 8, 2015
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/video-shows-mentally-ill-mans-shooting-by-miami-gardens-police/
“MIAMI, Fla. – A dash cam video was released Wednesday showing the moments leading up to the fatal police shooting of a mentally ill man in Miami Gardens, Florida.
CBS Miami reports Lavall Hall, a 25-year-old father, was shot around 5 a.m. on February 15 after his mother, Catherine Daniels, called police to report her son – who she says was diagnosed as being schizophrenic – was having a psychotic episode. She reportedly told authorities she hoped they would take him to a mental health facility.”
“– Statistics on fleeing felons who have assaulted cops…”
Walter Scott did NOT assault the punkazz racist killer cop. There is NOT a connection. You keep trying to paint Walter Scott as a felon but the cop cannot use your “fleeing felon” excuse when there wasn’t any evidence of such you EGGHEAD!!!
You’re using “yellow journalism” and therefore are once again in your own words…”an insincere attention whore.”
“Maybe the cop gets an innocent verdict.
Do you expect the fallout to be any different than Ferguson?”
Side note: Nobody gets an innocent verdict… they get “not guilty”.
By the time this works its way through the system, there will probably be new issues for the Afro-agitators to fret over… but who knows.
Consider that everyone looked at Ferguson, where it was pretty clear early on that Michael Brown was a thug who attacked a cop… yet the blacks supported him and burned and looted when no charges were pressed against the cop for what seemed like a justifiable shooting almost from the beginning.
The lessons of the Rodney King riots, politically-motivated charging of the obviously not-guilty for Afro-appeasement, are in the much more distant past… and politicians love to put things off anyway.
Not charging the cop would certainly spark a Ferguson-style response… so that option is out.
Charging him in a weak case might only delay a riot, at the worst… or the attention might fade away between now and then and avoid a riot… especially if some new manufactured crisis emerges and the verdict is strategically released.
The biggest problem is how all the politicians ran their mouths excessively… like Trayvon looking like Obama’s imaginary son. Instead of saying the investigation was ongoing or saying that the video appeared to be enough evidence to start building a murder case, there was an immediate quantity of (likely fake) indignation and outrage produced for the media with little reflection on reality… building false hope and expectations for “justice” in the black community… that may or may not get realized.
“There was no need for the cop to resort to deadly force in that situation.”
…at least no way which is immediately obvious to a guy in front of his computer in Korea who saw part of a low-res narrow-screen video and has never worked in law enforcement.
Without an investigation, nobody knows if he was running toward an area where children were playing or old ladies were parked in their idling cars.
A few seconds of video leaves out most of the story… but gives just enough for speculation.
Let’s consider…
The chase went for a block and a half.
http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/media/images/82241000/jpg/_82241587_charleston_shooting_624.jpg
A quick look at Google Maps and Streetview showed Walter Scott was headed toward a strip mall with plenty of opportunity for carjackings or hostages.
32.8993°N 80.0142°W
Combine this with Walter Scott being convicted for attacking a cop, being convicted for carrying a deadly weapon, and getting a general discharge from the Coast Guard for drug use, and you do not have an innocent gentle giant.
If any of this information came up on the computer during the traffic stop, the cop had plenty of reason to believe Walter Scott was a potential and unpredictable threat to himself and civilians… especially as he had already run, failed to be stopped by a Taser, and successfully fought off a trained policeman trying to subdue him with less-than-lethal techniques.
There is a huge difference between unnecessary no-knock warrants by wannabe-SF cops looking for exciting violence on non-violent offenders with the odds all in their favor… and a lone cop exactly doing his job by responding to a routine traffic stop where the violence unexpectedly came to him.
Knowing that difference is important for keeping the government in check while maintaining social order.
“More things to consider:
– There has been lots of hype over the “planted” Taser.”
You complain about the media for nor good reason but you do the same by suggesting no evidence of “fleeing felon” or Walter Scott “assaulted cops.”
The story is that a cop caught on VIDEO killed an unarmed black man and planted his taser gun(obstruction of crime scene) next to his victim’s body so that he could use it against 50 year old black man in the future. That’s it! Stop trying to twist it by bringing up “fleeing felon” and “assault on cops.” You F****** EGGHEAD!!! Walter Scott is/was NOT a felon. You yellow B*ST*RD.
In other news… http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/04/09/smoking-global-warming-obama-asthma-column/25529419/
Korean Adoptee Deportation
This man needs to get deported ASAP, send this “FLEEING FELON” criminal, burglar, assaulter, etc…back to his S. Korean home country.
South Korean adoptee: Deportation looms for man, 39, adopted in U.S. when just 3
http://www.examiner.com/article/south-korean-adoptee-deportation-looms-for-man-39-adopted-u-s-when-just-3
“Adam’s life was tough, starting at a young age. He dropped out of high school in ninth grade because he was being teased about the abuse he got from his adoptive parents at home.”
Dumbazz yellow EGGHEAD says…”Combine this with Walter Scott being convicted for attacking a cop, being convicted for carrying a deadly weapon, and getting a general discharge from the Coast Guard for drug use, and you do not have an innocent gentle giant.
If any of this information came up on the computer during the traffic stop, the cop had plenty of reason to believe Walter Scott was a potential and unpredictable threat to himself and civilians…”
More of your “Yellow Journalism” tripe you hypocrite EGGHEAD!!!
“assaulted cops.”
“fleeing felon”
“They were down on the floor before I started recording. I remember the police had control of the situation. He had control of Scott. And Scott was trying just to get away from the Taser.” – Feidin Santan, videographer
Something happened between the time they were “down on the floor” and when the video started recording. It is likely that any act Walter Scott did to make the cop lose control of the situation was felony resisting arrest
It is also possible that the witness lied against the police… just like the Gentle Giant’s friend.
“The story is that a cop caught on VIDEO killed an unarmed black man”
No. That is part of the story. Other parts are why did he run and what was his intention… or, more accurately, why did the cop THINK he ran and what did the cop THINK his intention was. These will be equally important as the video in court.
“and planted his taser gun(obstruction of crime scene) next to his victim’s body so that he could use it against 50 year old black man in the future.”
This is highly misinterpreted by the ignorant and politicians… but I repeat myself.
Police are required to keep control of their weapons. Moving it to the area where he is present appears sloppy… but it is hardly a “plant”. If he claimed in (the yet unreleased) report that Walter Scott took his Taser and dropped it after being shot, he has a problem… not because of the video but because even a cursory investigation would fail to find prints consistent with that story. He already knows this.
Tbone, if the police report shows the cop planted the Taser and made false claims, I will move to your side quickly. As of now, I see a very professional traffic stop followed by a shooting… that may turn out to be highly professional if the cop believed the suspect posed a danger. It could also be a crime of passion… voluntary manslaughter. There is no indication it premeditated murder.
“Walter Scott is/was NOT a felon.”
That depends on if his bad conduct discharge was at a special or general court marshal… and that probably depends if he was a user or distributor… assuming the Coast Guard works the same as other services. It also depends on the results of assaulting a police officer the first time.
“You yellow B*ST*RD.”
Wong on both counts.
An interesting idea… if they had found a girl tied up in the trunk, the officer would have been labeled a hero for the exact same actions.