ROK Drop Open Thread – July 20, 2015

I could care less who brings them here. I want it to end.

The country absolutely cannot sustain the welfare state while at the same time facing an invasion of illegal immigrants.

johnnyboy listens to too much FoxNOTnews and the likes of Rush Limbaugh.

McCain ain’t no “war hero” DUH ❗ But EGGHEAD, jonnhyboy, etc…will believe and follow Trump.

If all of the people who are in the USA illegally were to disappear tomorrow, consider how it would affect the economy. Probably more adversely than beneficially.

It needs to be a well considered and orderly process.

Illegal immigration in America has negatively impacted black employment numbers. Is that why tbone supports it?

@6,
McCain himself says he ain’t no hero, so why is Trump so bad? The GOP is so hypocritical, it was okay for the GOP to mock USA troops/attack war veteran John Kerry(D) and his purple hearts but it’s not okay to attack a GOP non-hero. I don’t understand the GOP ❓

Big ego man Leo K. Thorsness(fellow war prisoner with John McCain) calls himself a “war hero” but doesn’t being a “war hero” depend on others calling you one kind of like how a nickname is given? Who has ever called big ego man Leo K. Thorsness a hero other than himself?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/30/gop.purple.hearts/
GOP Delegates mock Kerry with ‘purple heart’ bandages
Democrats: GOP ‘mocking our troops’
NEW YORK (CNN) — Delegates to the Republican National Convention found a new way to take a jab at Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry’s Vietnam service record: by sporting adhesive bandages with small purple hearts on them.
Morton Blackwell, a prominent Virginia delegate, has been handing out the heart-covered bandages to delegates, who’ve worn them on their chins, cheeks, the backs of their hands and other places.
Blackwell is president of the Leadership Institute, an educational foundation he founded in 1979. According to its Web site, the institute prepares conservatives for success in politics, government and the news media.
Kerry was a decorated Navy officer in Vietnam who became a prominent antiwar activist upon his return home. A group calling itself “Swift Boat Veterans for Truth” has accused Kerry of lying to win combat decorations in Vietnam, including the Bronze Star and the Purple Heart.
And last week, former Sen. Bob Dole, the party’s 1996 presidential nominee, brought more attention to the allegations when he told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, “With three Purple Hearts, he never bled that I know of. And they’re all superficial wounds.”

Double standard in the GOP when it comes to insulting someone’s military career?

That’s a good point. Someone who served honorably should not be disparaged for their service. Like we have discussed before, most of us here aren’t specifically in tune with the GOP or their strategies and policies. You are speaking to us as if we are.

Trump probably shouldn’t have said anything that could have been taken as an insult to McCain’s service. What is probably scaring the establishment GOP right now (and possibly even the democrats) is that Trump’s poll numbers won’t take much of a hit if any at all.

Trump has already delivered a message that resonates with Americans who are paying attention and aren’t cognitively impaired. The illegal alien problem is a large part of what is currently wrong with this country. There should be many democrats that can get behind at least that part of his campaign since it also effects them.

Just a prediction, but I think this will all blow over for Trump and his poll numbers won’t suffer as badly as the purveyors of the 2 party system might hope. People care that he puts his foot in his mouth but they care more that he brings issues to the front that the establishment candidates ignore or pay lip service to. Whether he ends up being the candidate or not, the issues that he raises are what the country needs to be discussing.

Donald Trump is a fringe candidate who epitomizes a problem the parties have in their elections, mostly the GOP in their presidential elections. The ones who get the most attention in their primary races are the ones who pander most to the fringes of their base. The other candidates then try to get in on some of that fringe enthusiasm and take positions contrary to what they had been known for. Then, when a candidate gets to the general election he/she has has to try to disassociate from those positions.

The Donald Trumps and his like could never be elected in a general election.

Ironically, it was John McCain who played a major role in pushing the GOP out to its fringes when he nominated Palin as his VP partner.

I don’t see Trump going all the way to the White House, but I think it’s interesting he is performing so strongly in many early polls. Is it really that radical to say that we should take effective steps to prevent illegal immigration? It’s kind of the law even if it isn’t enforced worth a damn.

Was this site even here in 2004 for GI Korea to badmouth John Kerry? I certainly wasn’t here to see it if he did.

Trump has a bad lid.

“Ashley Madison was hacked! That’s a betrayal of our trust.”

-author unknown

Correction: ‘that country had the green light’ -> ‘that company had the green light’

No way am I clicking on that link, CH. 🙂
The Chinese now have all of my personal info and the information of my family (to include my parents, and in-laws naturalization numbers). I didn’t have any choice about handing that information over for my husband’s security clearance.
But I’m kind of surprised participant with anything to lose whatsoever would extend that much trust in an unknown party (both the website, and hookups on that site). I guess it comes down to cui bono, and maybe some sort of MAD-style doctrine. But at the end of the day, again, that’s an awful lot of trust with no real concrete assurances.

Car full of Democrats chases black man to his death over Confederate flag: http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/20/black-confederate-flag-supporter-killed-in-highway-motor-accident-caused-by-hecklers/

johnnyboy says,,,”Was this site even here in 2004 for GI Korea to badmouth John Kerry?”

DUH ❗ Do you think topics are taboo after they’ve happened? This topic is obviously something GI Korea wants to forget. But…It doesn’t matter, GI Korea will just ignore you or say his website was hacked/went down or whatever and so therefore all information is lost or only gotten at his admission. He also doesn’t care that the admitted ROKDROP Hacker EGGHEAD supposedly hacks individual(s) on this site either, he just asks for any information the hacker(EGGHEAD) gathers, thusly promoting hacking. 😈

APE like KKKer acts like gorilla for hateful racist confederate flag…VIDEO
WATCH: KKK supporter uses ‘gorilla’ taunts to mock black crowd during tense Confederate flag rally
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/watch-kkk-supporter-uses-gorilla-taunts-to-mock-black-crowd-during-tense-confederate-flag-rally/
“Pro-Confederate flag protesters taunts black counter-protesters
After proclaiming that the Confederate flag isn’t a symbol of hate and vowing a peaceful protest against its removal, members of the Ku Klux Klan required a police escort to leave a rally in front of the South Carolina statehouse on Saturday.
The Klan rally was scheduled from 3 p.m. to 5 p.m. on the south side of the statehouse grounds, while on the north side, the Black Educators For Justice were scheduled from 12 p.m. to 4 p.m., Greenville Online reports. Governor Nikki Haley had asked people to stay home instead.”

USA WOMEN’s soccer ticker-tape parade ~ what EGGHEAD doesn’t want you to see because he hates women and only sees tongue and lips when watching ❗ Women paid 20 times less than men but gather a bigger TV audience…
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/ticker-tape-parade-world-cup-winning-us-women-32288205

Sandra Bland UNLAWFUL ARREST…
Dashcam video shows Sandra Bland arrest
This CRAZY cop’s actions will be a teaching instrument on how cops should NOT escalate a simple traffic stop after cop hops on the rear of a vehicle when it moves over and CRAZY cop pulls over driver despite unlawful arrest.
CRAZY white RACIST cop let a minor traffic stop get out of control, leads to hands on, pointing taser, use of force, etc…
CRAZY cop ordered her out of car without suspicion, criminal activity, safety threat, or DWI/DUI driving suspicion.
Cop asks…Would you mind…putting out cigarette? She did mind, so that means she’se should be arrested and…I’m going to… light you up/shoot you dead if you don’t listen to me and get out of your car for smoking you guilty non-blinking black woman!
Cop leaves out “arrest” in police report, starts with her exiting her car which is an inaccurate description of so-called “arrest.”
Then they take her to a jail cell where there is a 48 gallon garbage can with plastic liner when there has been recent “suicides” at the same jail. WTF does a prisoner need a 48 gallon garbage can with plastic liner for? And since when were Texas cops so generous? The G** D*** garbage can took up most of the space in the jail cell.
http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/dashcam-video-shows-sandra-bland-arrest-488924227651
“Texas Department of Public Safety releases police dashcam video showing the arrest of 28-year-old Sandra Bland, who was found dead in her jail cell three days later. Criminal defense attorney Carmen Roe and LaDoris Cordell, a retired judge, join…
Duration: 10:58”

“what EGGHEAD doesn’t want you to see because he hates women and only sees tongue and lips when watching”

I don’t hate women.

I mean, it’s not like my diick can suck itself.

And that jailhouse probably murdered her and is trying to cover it up saying a 48 gallon plastic bag hung her. 😈 She had two degrees and a masters 😎 White racists like to kill the smart ones too ❗

Now the Waller County TX did done mess up the autopsy. So, the cop illegally made and arrest and then lied about in the police report, the cops illegally edited the video tape just like white racists do, the cop white racists killed an innocent women or let her die in their custody, the county coroner done did it wrong, the county attorney and/or assistant can’t communicate what they done did wrong. That’s it, time for someone from the outside(NON-WHITE SUPREMACISTS) i.e. FBI or DOJ to take control of the investigation cause those dumb white southern racists don’t know what they done did do from one minute to another. 😈

@37 TagumCityTim
“My two cents: Trump will be just enough of a distraction to the Republican candidates to let Hilary win the White House just as Ross Perot was to George H.W. Bush in 1992.”

Now we know what NOTnews station TagumCityTim watches.

What TagumCityTim is referring to is known as the GOP’s created MYTH(to make them feel better as to why George H.W. Bush lost to Bill Clinton ❗

Leon,

Keep in mind I am not supporting any single candidate at this point in time.

A few of those topics listed, Trump appears to have changed his opinion on. Whatever the reasons or his motivation behind them, we may never know.

Political parties and their views change from time to time. He most likely aligned himself with the party that was better for his business empire and donated to anyone who might further his ambitions. He readily admits it.

As far as his opinions of Hillary and Jeb, people change too. Trump may have thought that they were decent people and political leaders at the time, but changed his opinion of them as they made their true positions more clear or flaws in their abilities became more apparent. Is it even a contradiction to say Hillary was a decent senator but a terrible secretary of state?

As far as healthcare, it’s not much of a contradiction for anyone to say that they are in favor of liberal, universal healthcare and then say that Obamacare has been a disaster. It hasn’t worked as it was promised. There are very few redeeming qualities in its outcome except maybe that some very sick people who were unable to get healthcare before now can get on a plan, however effective that plan may or may not be. Most others seem to have taken it in the pooper.

As for press availability, he wasn’t running for president when he made his previous comments that I am aware. It’s kind of hard to run a presidential campaign and not give access to the media. Can you imagine a candidate that avoided the press and only had one or two interviews up until this point? The press would eat you alive for not being transparent and answering the tough questions……..right?

You are right, some of these issues raise questions about Trump and whether or not he might be a bona fide flip flopper. He may be putting on a show. He has an abrasive personality. He went after a POW veteran.

In the end, those things are important, but to a growing number of conservatives it doesn’t seem to matter as much as the immigration issues he has raised and the fact that Trump isn’t afraid to say things that aren’t politically correct. Plainly, it seems they just don’t care if he puts his foot in his mouth. They want a change.

The GOP deserves every bit of grief that this is going to cause them. They have tried to win votes by heading left on the spectrum at the expense of abandoning principles and alienating their base. They have tried to have it both ways for a while now. No matter what happens this election cycle, I get the feeling the GOP won’t be around much longer in its current capacity. Americans that are paying attention are tired of the two party system. Conservatives that are paying attention are tired of electing leaders who head left as soon as they get in office.

I don’t think Trump will make it all the way, and I’m not 100% certain it would be good if he did. I am just happy he is shaking the establishment up a bit.

Let’s all sit back and enjoy the show. It should be an interesting one.

EGGHEAD thinks burning down a business(es) for retaliation is worse than burning/bombing things/killing people simply because of race/hatred/fear of thy black man etc…and for big business profiteers/corporations/defense companies/gun makers etc…The white man has a monopoly on burning, bombing, killing etc…NOT thy black man. DUH ❗ Facts are the facts, but EGGHEAD is into stereotyping thy black man as though they have a monopoly on fire, fire ❗ ❗
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XchwE9zVdnw

Leon, here is why I support Trump(for the GOP)…

Which other 2016 GOP president wannabe has said such a thing? As this happened in Texas what has former TX Gov. Perry said about it….

…”Perry: Sandra Bland Death “Needs To Be Investigated With Great Transparency”

“Just be very, very transparent in the investigation, and lay the facts out, and the facts will speak for themselves — as they should.”

NOT SURPRISING IS THAT PERRY SAID NOTING ABOUT AN OUTSIDE/FBI/DOJ INVESTIGATION 😳 HE KNOWS ALL ABOUT “TX ~ BLACK MAN/WOMAN TRANSPARENCY.”

AND BESIDES, PERRY(“the guy who is trying to look smart with glasses”) HAS BEEN INDICTED FOR MULTIPLE FELONIES IN TX DURING THIS PRES. CAMPAIGN WHILE TRUMP HAS NOT.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3171701/Donald-Trump-says-officer-arrested-Sandra-Bland-overly-aggressive-adding-s-sad-African-Americans-deal-treatment-frequently.html
“Donald Trump says officer who arrested Sandra Bland was ‘overly aggressive’ adding it’s ‘sad’ African-Americans have to deal with such treatment more frequently

Donald Trump said in an interview on Wednesday that the officer who arrested Sandra Bland was ‘overly aggressive’
When asked by Anderson Cooper if he felt that African-Americans have to deal with this treatment more frequently Trump said he thought they did
‘The answer is it possibly does. It shouldn’t, and it’s very sad if the case is,’ said Trump
Bland was arrested after she was pulled over for failing to signal when switching lanes and her arresting officer alleged she kicked him in the shin
Prior to this trooper Brian Encina had threatened Bland saying he would ‘light her up’ while pointing a Taser at her if she did not leave her car
Bland was found dead in her jail cell on July 13”

I’m in favor of Trump doing whatever his American Freedoms allow.

But I do wish folks would stop giving him free non-stop coverage.

Or is it because we like clowns?

GOP Cruz Gets Schooled On The Iran Deal By A Protester(VIDEO)
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/07/24/codepink-cruz-protest/
“Cruz argued that the Iran deal would cause more than 100 billion dollars to flow into Iran, which will be used to train jihadists to kill Americans, Israelis, and Europeans. Cruz asks the activist, “Does that make any sense?”
She responds, saying that it does not make any sense, meaning Cruz’s statments. Continuing, she goes on to say:
…
Cruz responds to the woman saying:
…
Irrefutable is a strong word to use, considering that talking point was already debunked earlier in July. Israel’s ambassador to the United States, Ron Dermer said in a speech:
…
This statement is far less egregious version of Cruz’s statement. Yet it still earned a mostly false ruling from Politifact.
The right desperately wants to go to war with Iran and are trying to stir up the, “the inquisition doesn’t end until we say it does” crowd. Fortunately, every effort the right-wing has done to try and disrupt the Iran deal has completely blown up in their faces.
You can watch the full video of the disruption below, in full.”

Leon, due to my positive comments about Trump, you pretty much called me out… which is fine… as forced examination of our thoughts is a very good way to keep them clear, focused, and valid.

You read my reasonable reply… yet you lacked the courtesy to respond with either, “I understand now,” or, “You are wrong because…”

This behavior is common among those who love to talk the talk but are intellectually or emotionally incapable of walking the walk… the Toms and Tbones of the world… and, increasingly, the Leons.

This is 100% puzzy behavior on your part, Leon… well, 99% puzzy behavior until you follow up with some completely pointless and unamusing comment about Obammy and Jade Helm.

I am sorry you are having some personal diffficulties… but if you intend not to follow through in a conversation, why start it?

How about sharing your thoughts on the replies I gave you.

“Sorry CH. Pretty busy and we’ve been over much of that ground in the past…”

…but not too busy to run your mouth in the first place… pissing on Trump and Trump supporters with a long comment full of gotcha talking points that you didn’t quite realize were that weak when you took the time out of your busy schedule to cut and paste them here.

If you ride bikes like you debate politics, you probably mouthed off to some guy and he just smiled and kicked over your bike. You scrambled to pick it up, all teary-eyed, while glancing around to see if anybody noticed. He stood by and watched while saying, “Puuuus-pus-pus-pusssyyyyy.” You went home and found something to yell at your wife for.

Come on, Leon. Don’t be like that.

“we’ve been over much of that ground in the past”

Actually, we have not. That is just an excuse… a poor, lazy excuse… by someone who seems quick to throw out their lame opinion but slow to defend it. You have been all over that type in years past. Now you ARE that type.

We have never discussed Trump’s opinion on abortion, Trump’s opinion on guns, Trump’s opinion on healthcare, Trump’s interactions with Hillary, Trump’s party affiliation, Trump’s thoughts on Jeb Bush (or even Jeb Bush), or Trump’s press availability… which are issues YOU brought up and demanded answers on. When you got reasonable answers, you simply ignored them instead of acknowledging or debating them.

That’s a wussy move, Leon… double wussy when claiming that we have been over that ground when we have not.

“/and I’m weary of rehashing Romneycare.”

But it is not Romenycare. Romney was not the president that pushed it through. It is Obamacare… and he has ownership of its good and bad points. None-the-less, the issue YOU brought up was not Obamacare (or Romney care, if you insist). The issue YOU brought up was Trump’s opinion on Obamacare. There is no rehash of anything.

You can say my facts are wrong and my analysis is incorrect. You can show me better facts and more clever analysis. I will admit the situation when proven wrong. I will reconsider the situation further when shown the issue has more complexity than my opinion considered.

Leon, you can debate me and you can teach me… but you cannot bullshyt me.

And I am being bullshytted.

Actual Marla Maples quote:
“I was an only child until I was about 29…”

He put a ring on that.

Trump was much smarter in his second marriage. An iron-clad prenup kept Marla from walking away with “half his money”.

She got two million cash plus The Donald took care of their kid.

While that seems like a large amount, he was worth about 5 billion at the time. It seems Trump just bought a crazy-expensive, but affordable, piece of azz… little different than when the 1% invest in failed ventures or wreck their supercars.

I can’t help but notice that almost all criticism of Trump either attacks the man or attacks an intentionally-incorrect view of his message.

That gets my attention.

He’s right on illegal immigration.
Otherwise, he has no real track record as a conservative. His business history smacks of crony capitalism and he’s filed for bankruptcy four times (“not personal bankruptcy!”). In the spirit of “too big to fail” his credit remains sound. IF he doesn’t employ illegal immigrants, it’s surely not out of any sense of personal principle. He’s milking the immigration issue for its shock and publicity value, well I’ve enjoyed the show. God willing, soon he’ll pull a Trump and go off looking for some other issue to bring glory to himself.

“But don’t attack the man or his decisions”

I have not quite said that, Liz… but rather suggested that some decisions are more important to observe than others

I have said more than once that Trump is a con man from way back… which should be an issue… but, amazingly is not.

Curiously, the attacks on Trump’s past are not valid question about personal loyalty, business ethics, or shady association, etc… but petty gotcha issues about slightly evolving beliefs over decades. This is likely due to ALL candidates from both parties having ethical issues. The Clintons’ excessive speaking fees from organizations looking to benefit from their positions comes to mind.

“He’s right on illegal immigration.”

Absolutely. The destruction of America as we know it is being engineered before our eyes… from the globalization of labor which will damage the middle class to further pressure on low-skilled Americans who already have employment problems. Illegal immigrants are willing to work for a wage that does not allow an American lifestyle… which hurts all Americans.

“Otherwise, he has no real track record as a conservative.”

That is not entirely true. More accurately, he has a track record of doing what benefits The Donald… with, perhaps, a tendency to go against the establishment. On a personal level, his track record seems to be filled with things I agree with… conservative ideas like Second Amendment rights and liberal ideas like the government having some responsibility for maintaining a healthy population.

Can you look back in Trump’s past and give some examples of beliefs he has expressed that you do not agree with? Can you find more of these examples than you can with Hillary, Jeb, or the rest?

“His business history smacks of crony capitalism”

That is the issue the media should focus on… but they cannot… since all of the serious candidates (and maybe the rest, too) have the exact same past. Any “Trump blah blah blah crony capitalism” would be answered with “But Hillary” and “But Jeb”… and they would be right.

The issue here is that, from paranoid conservative to whacky liberal, one has to have cronies to make it to the level of candidate… and even the most liberal firebrand becomes a capitalist in this situation… taking advantage of position and association to get special deals not available to the little people.

“and he’s filed for bankruptcy four times (“not personal bankruptcy!”). In the spirit of “too big to fail” his credit remains sound.”

This is shytty, shytty, shytty… but it is how the current crony capitalist system in America is structured… from privatizing profit and socializing risk… to business strategies involving acquiring government money rather than looking to produce something useful… to established Corporations Are People legal concepts which allow the corporation to take financial responsibility away from the actual people who make high-risk decisions with investor funds. Complaining that Trump understands this and used this to protect himself in high-risk ventures is a bit naive… falling under the category of Hate the Game, Not the Player.

“IF he doesn’t employ illegal immigrants, it’s surely not out of any sense of personal principle.”

You may be absolutely right… though there certainly are many reporters out there suddenly practicing real journalism and looking for this scoop… “Trump Employes Illegals”. Strange it has not come up. It would be educational to know why this is not happening if personal principles is not the reason.

“He’s milking the immigration issue for its shock and publicity value”

Which has been my biggest complaint… as that is a one-trick pony. I didn’t fall for “Hope and Change” and I am not falling for “Make America Great Again” without a lot of specifics… which Trump has not given. His speeches are 45% Look At Me, 45% Illegal Immigrants Are Bad, and 10% agreeable but non-specific statements. Specifics is what the media (and voters) should be demanding… but that would give him direction… and he might come back with popular (and/or sensible) answers that the other candidates will not.

Again, I am not a “Trump Supporter”… but what little he says is far more sensible and agreeable than some of the whacked out crap the other candidates are speaking seriously about.

I am to the point I would rather see gridlock with Trump as president than see Hillary or Jeb accomplish even a fraction of what they promise to push.

Consider these ideas.

CH, I can’t argue with any of your points, but per this:

“You may be absolutely right… though there certainly are many reporters out there suddenly practicing real journalism and looking for this scoop… “Trump Employes Illegals”. Strange it has not come up. It would be educational to know why this is not happening if personal principles is not the reason.”

I lived in Las Vegas for three years and don’t remember ever seeing anyone I’d suspect was an illegal immigrant working the casinos. So maybe the casino business doesn’t use them so much.
(not that they aren’t around…but they were out on the sidewalks noisily slapping everyone with porn magazines and throwing porn cards at them)

I would guess Trump has never employed an illegal alien.

He pretends not to notice that he subcontracts that out to construction companies.