Why the United States Has Become A “Chickenhawk Nation”

The Atlantic has a long article published about how the United States has become a Chickenhawk Nation.  The author believes the American public doesn’t mind going to war as long as it doesn’t involve them.  He believes this mentality is what is allowing the endless warfare we find ourselves currently in to continue:

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Too much complacency regarding our military, and too weak a tragic imagination about the consequences if the next engagement goes wrong, have been part of Americans’ willingness to wade into conflict after conflict, blithely assuming we would win. “Did we have the sense that America cared how we were doing? We did not,” Seth Moulton told me about his experience as a marine during the Iraq War. Moulton became a Marine Corps officer after graduating from Harvard in 2001, believing (as he told me) that when many classmates were heading to Wall Street it was useful to set an example of public service. He opposed the decision to invade Iraq but ended up serving four tours there out of a sense of duty to his comrades. “America was very disconnected. We were proud to serve, but we knew it was a little group of people doing the country’s work.”

Moulton told me, as did many others with Iraq-era military experience, that if more members of Congress or the business and media elite had had children in uniform, the United States would probably not have gone to war in Iraq at all. Because he felt strongly enough about that failure of elite accountability, Moulton decided while in Iraq to get involved in politics after he left the military. “I actually remember the moment,” Moulton told me. “It was after a difficult day in Najaf in 2004. A young marine in my platoon said, ‘Sir, you should run for Congress someday. So this shit doesn’t happen again.’ ” In January, Moulton takes office as a freshman Democratic representative from Massachusetts’s Sixth District, north of Boston.

What Moulton described was desire for a kind of accountability. It is striking how rare accountability has been for our modern wars. Hillary Clinton paid a price for her vote to authorize the Iraq War, since that is what gave the barely known Barack Obama an opening to run against her in 2008. George W. Bush, who, like most ex-presidents, has grown more popular the longer he’s been out of office, would perhaps be playing a more visible role in public and political life if not for the overhang of Iraq. But those two are the exceptions. Most other public figures, from Dick Cheney and Colin Powell on down, have put Iraq behind them. In part this is because of the Obama administration’s decision from the start to “look forward, not back” about why things had gone so badly wrong with America’s wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. But such willed amnesia would have been harder if more Americans had felt affected by the wars’ outcome. For our generals, our politicians, and most of our citizenry, there is almost no accountability or personal consequence for military failure. This is a dangerous development—and one whose dangers multiply the longer it persists.

Ours is the best-equipped fighting force in history, and it is incomparably the most expensive. By all measures, today’s professionalized military is also better trained, motivated, and disciplined than during the draft-army years. No decent person who is exposed to today’s troops can be anything but respectful of them and grateful for what they do.

Yet repeatedly this force has been defeated by less modern, worse-equipped, barely funded foes. Or it has won skirmishes and battles only to lose or get bogged down in a larger war.  [The Atlantic]

You can read the whole article at the link, but I think the author is correct that if the kids of the elite in this country had to face being drafted we probably would not be in as many conflicts as we are now.  With that said I do not agree with his viewpoint that the US military has been defeated by less foes.  The US military did not make the strategy to invade Iraq, politicians did.  When invading Iraq the military was not sourced for a long term occupation once again because of political considerations.  When General Shinseki spoke up about this he was strongly rebuked by the Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.  Also the US military did not make the decision to withdraw from Iraq which led to the current ISIS occupation, politicians did and now the US military is back trying to put a band-aid on a poor strategic decision.

The bottomline is that the US military is only as good as the strategy they are given by the political leadership to execute.

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setnaffa
setnaffa
9 years ago

“Ours is the best-equipped fighting force in history, and it is incomparably the most expensive. By all measures, today’s professionalized military is also better trained, motivated, and disciplined than during the draft-army years. No decent person who is exposed to today’s troops can be anything but respectful of them and grateful for what they do.

Yet repeatedly this force has been defeated by less modern, worse-equipped, barely funded foes. Or it has won skirmishes and battles only to lose or get bogged down in a larger war.”

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What does this author think about so-called “men” like John Kerry?

The sharpest sword or most accurate rifle, haphazardly flung about by an ignorant coward, is more likely to kill an ally than wound a foe. THAT is the lesson here.

Don’t elect people who don’t have any skin in the game (i.e., the President–or someone in his immediate family–should have an Honorable Discharge).

Don’t elect moral cowards.

Stop defending treason as merely “free speech” or “diversity”.

We only want Americans who love America. Folks who claim our Constitution holds them back ought to be barred from ANY Federal position (elected, appointed, or Civil Service).

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
9 years ago

GI, I am somewhat in agreement and somewhat in disagreement.

In agreement, the military is inhibited by too many political concerns that result neither in military nor political victory.

In disagreement, after watching USFK “leadership” being completely disconnected from reality, chasing personal goals unrelated to the mission, filled to the brim with self-sabotaging corruption, etc., it is hard to believe these same behaviors do not affect performance in a real war.

There are many examples of senior “leadership” in the Desert not leading… or even leading in the wrong direction… unrelated to political concerns.

Limitations set by politicians are a great external handicap… but so are box-checkers, self-promoters, azz-coverers, and those blaming politicians for their failure to care for the guys on the ground.

If you disagree, I can give examples off the top of my head and can likey find many more within minutes.

JoeC
JoeC
9 years ago

This article pretty much covers what I’ve thought and said since the disaster that was Iraq was first proposed.

But we are where we are, and we have to be able to both look forward and back. We can still hear some of the same reckless, hawkish talk that got us into past misadventures being tossed about, even today.

Both Ms’ Clinton and Fiorina have proposed enforcing a no-fly zone over Syria. With complete disregard for the fact that we have to do it unilaterally because we wouldn’t have UN sanction or any coalition support, there is also the ‘minor’ fact that Russia is patrolling Syrian skies at the invitation of the Assad government. Would these aspiring commanders in chief have our Air Force force Russian aircraft out of the sky? What could go wrong?

I suspect there a some of the same Machiavellian characters from the past, ‘advising’ these so called leaders towards positions with little regard for the consequences and any sincere American common interest. You have to ask why the real powers of the Middle East have invested so little blood and treasure in cleaning up their own neighborhood.

Liz
Liz
9 years ago

“there is also the ‘minor’ fact that Russia is patrolling Syrian skies at the invitation of the Assad government.”

Yes. Politicians seem to keep forgetting that “minor” Syrian fact. They also forget that we’re in a resource crunch and can’t afford to lose any more planes (or have them tasked more than necessary expending service life and requiring major expensive overhauls…but that will be the next guy’s problem if they can just hold out so who cares?).
They’re going to try and get the Reserve to do mandatory deployments now, at the level the active duty used to. Essentially the powers that be intend to try to force part time people with other jobs who can quit whenever they want to go on long extended deployments without an emergency activation (what has always been required for obligatory deployments in the past). Good luck with that. This is going to be a nightmare.

No one seems to make any decisions thinking of either longterm or any indirect adverse consequences anymore. It’s like everyone in charge is the equivalent of a teenager with their parent’s credit card.

Liz
Liz
9 years ago

BTW, I love Sarah Hoyt setnaffa!
Good article.
🙂

tbonetylr
tbonetylr
9 years ago

“When invading Iraq the military was not sourced for a long term occupation once again because of political considerations.”

That is the complete failure of the military ❗ BTW, how much more money would the DOD like so that it can be finally “sourced” ❓

“When General Shinseki spoke up about this he was strongly rebuked by the Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.”

Donald Rumsfeld is a JOKE 🙄

“Also the US military did not make the decision to withdraw from Iraq which led to the current ISIS occupation…”

Sure GI Korea, we should’ve kept a hundred thousand boots on the ground for decades in Iraq even the American public didn’t want it(reason for which Obama was elected ❗ We don’t care about Iraq because Bush and the WAR Hawks lied to Americans while the “military” doesn’t seem to have any responsibility as far as you’re concerned as noted by your complete deflection of as much. It’s as though the military/servicethemselfmembers are doing “service” with one tied behind their backs. Essentially the military is too weak to say STOP the WAR on TERROR(because it CANNOT be won) and too powerful since it can avoid responsibility so easily. The fact is that the WAR HAWKS have succeeded for decades in forever USA WARS while the WAR DOGS are happy to servicethemselves with jobs.

setnaffa
setnaffa
9 years ago

Saint Paintchip better show a DD-214 before he claims anyone else is a “chickenhawk”.

setnaffa
setnaffa
9 years ago

Those proposing a US-enforced “No Fly Zone” over Syria are at best naive. Their anti-aircraft capabilities are enormous (possibly much better than Iran). And as mentioned previously, are supplied and defended by Russia.

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