Tweet of the Day: France Links ISIS to Paris Terror Attack
#BREAKING President Hollande blames #IslamicState group for #ParisTerrorAttacks that killed at least 127 people pic.twitter.com/j2gxmnavCA
— CGTN (@CGTNOfficial) November 14, 2015
#BREAKING President Hollande blames #IslamicState group for #ParisTerrorAttacks that killed at least 127 people pic.twitter.com/j2gxmnavCA
— CGTN (@CGTNOfficial) November 14, 2015
France can thank the former U.S. president(worst of all time) Bush for starting this mess by invading Iraq 🙁
Greetings Tbone,
I agree that Bush’s toiling in Iraq is largely the ultimate cause of destabilization which led to ISIS’s rise to power.
I think Europe and the EU have to take some of the blame for being so adamant on accepting refugees from Syria. Perhaps women and children should be admitted but why take all the military age males? They should be trying to fix the problems in their home country.
Should we still accept thousands of Syrian refugees into the U.S.? Are we running a great risk by taking them in?
Santorum Blames Obama, Clinton For Attacks, Forgetting ISIS Arose Because Of Iraq War
ISIS is a direct descendant of al Qaeda, and is filling a vacuum we created by removing Saddam Hussein from power. Until that is fully understood, we’ll never be able to right decades of wrong-headed policies.
http://freakoutnation.com/2015/11/rick-santorum-blames-obama-and-hillary-clinton-for-paris-attacks/
“The Associated Press reports that Santorum said the world is now seeing the effects of decisions made by Obama and Clinton, the former secretary of state.
The irony? Santorum seems to have forgotten who was in the White House when Al Quaeda hijacked four of our airplanes and murdered over 3,000 innocent Americans. He also seems to forget that he and his GOP colleagues demonized France after 9/11, going so far as to wanting to rename potatoes American Fries.
Santorum’s memory lapse also includes the fact that the deadly terrorist incidents between 2001 and 2007, can be traced directly back to Dick Cheney and George W. Bush using manufactured intelligence produced at their request by the CIA to invade Iraq; an ill-fated invasion that created the destabilization of Syria, Iraq and the entire MidEast and the resultant rise of the Islamic state known as ISIS, which is now responsible for much of the terror that [may] become World War III.
It’s virtually impossible to find any conservative criticism by Santorum, let alone his arch-conservative colleagues of the Bush Administration years, when Al Quaeda bombings left hundreds upon hundreds dead and thousands injured….
including the Ghriba synagogue, Mombasa, the Riyadh compound, Casablanca, Istanbul, Khobar, Madrid, Qatar, and Bali massacres.”
Hi Tbone,
Your sentiments are correct in that people should realize the middle east would probably not be facing such instability had the Bush administration not invaded Iraq.
Are there any actions by the Obama administration which have contributed to this instability or pushed the situation into further decline? I submit that there are.
Should we still allow thousands of Syrian refugees into the U.S. in light of the French terror attacks? I submit that we should not.
* French President Hollande said the Paris attack was an “act of war”.
* France is a NATO country.
* Under Article 5 of the NATO alliance agreement there is the principle of collective defense which basically means that ‘an attack on one is an attack on all.’
* That principle had only been invoked once since the alliance was formed; after 9/11.
It seems pretty clear what the next step is.
JoeC,
Kind of seems like the language is intentional and previously agreed upon doesn’t it?
I consider myself fairly conservative. I have my reservations about another all out conventional war in the middle east. In today’s environment I don’t think we can achieve a strategic victory. I feel that most people still haven’t woken up to the horrors of Islamic extremism and could not stomach what kind of actions would be required to snuff it out with any success.
@4 you’ve been harping on me to answer this/that which I’ve already done but it’s funny that you’re just like the delusional GOP wannabe president Santorum so how about answering first things first by calendar/year and tell me who was at fault Ghriba synagogue, Mombasa, the Riyadh compound, Casablanca, Istanbul, Khobar, Madrid, Qatar, and Bali massacres since no other GOPer will ❓ ❓ ❓
“It’s virtually impossible to find any conservative criticism by Santorum, let alone his arch-conservative colleagues of the Bush Administration years, when Al Quaeda bombings left hundreds upon hundreds dead and thousands injured….
including the Ghriba synagogue, Mombasa, the Riyadh compound, Casablanca, Istanbul, Khobar, Madrid, Qatar, and Bali massacres.”
Tbone, are you sure you want to use the tired old “but Bush” here?
http://moralarc.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Terrorist-Attacks-Related-to-Islam.jpg
I highly recommend that everyone read this essay in The Atlantic which discusses in great detail what ISIS really wants.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
They are basically trying to return Islam to its 7th century roots in order to bring upon the apocalypse described in the Koran. If the West want to use their beliefs against them NATO could just park a division at Dabiq, Syria and would be like drawing moths to a flame to wipe them out and crush their ideology.
Link?
Found one:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
Paris bomber sneaked into Europe posing as a refugee in Greece because EVERY arrival is given travel papers, officials admit in shocking expose of open-borders policy
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3320272/Paris-bomber-sneaked-Europe-posing-refugee-Greece-arrival-given-travel-papers-officials-admit-damning-expose-EU-s-open-borders-policy.html
I’m not sure what’s so “shocking”.
If I were an enemy, that’s exactly how I would do it.
Greece is obviously a mess. They have no resources to hold and keep the refugees, nor the resources to screen them, nor the resources to block them from entering.
I am glad the terrorists invaders killed innocent French citizens.
It is a small price to pay if it convinces the world that diluting civilization with barbarians neither enriches the civilization not civilizes the barbarians.
Hopefully the barbarians continue killing innocents until everyone figures this out… from the voters to the media to the citizens who should be smashing government building windows and burning police cars until the government fears them more than empty calls for political correctness.
The French have only themselves to blame… open borders for those who announce their bad intentions, coddling of Islamisists who refuse to assimilate, demands for tolerance on issues no functioning civilizations should tolerate.
…and when it happens in Germany, Scandinavia, and the US, it will be the same.
World War IV has started… and the West is blind to it… still thinking it is a police action or an issue for diplomatic scolding.
Like the Allies crushed Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan, there needs to be an undilluted will to win… to physically and culturally dominate the land and people of those who wish to see the distruction of civilized culture and the end of a sucessful way of life.
The sleeping giant needs to be awakened and those against it need to be destroyed completely and without apology… with those caught in the crossfire making it very clear which side they are on by openly fighting against the enemy of civilization.
The time for tolerance is over. There should be no toleration of the actions demonstrated by the enemy. Everyone who supports this ideology, through action or inaction, must be annihilated without remorse.
After that, civilization is free to use their resources for important things that better the condition of mankind… from space travel to scientific research to environmental protection to assisting the greatful poor build better lives.
Without addressing these barbarians, they will be a long-term distraction with no benefit… even to those who support some of their ideas.
Kill them all. Kill their supporters. Kill their empowerers. Kill those who ally with them under the excuse of tolerance and diversity. Kill those who can fight against them but strengthen them through complacency.
Or do nothing…
…as the barbarians always win when shown any mercy or consideration… of which they have none.
There is a lot of archaeological evidence which points toward Islam being the reason for the so-called “Dark Ages” in Europe (mid 7th to 10th Centuries). The Fall of the Roman Empire began in the west around the 3rd Century; but the so-called “barbarians” (Visigoths in Spain, Franks in Gaul, Vandals in North Africa, and Goths in Germany) adopted Roman culture except in England. They continued to prosper until Muslim pirates and other raiders destroyed the Mediterranean trade they depended upon.
There is nearly zero archaeological evidence which can be traced to the mid 7th to 10th Centuries in Europe or the Middle East. And prior to that time, the Christian Church was not a political entity, although present everywhere.
And now we have ISIS wanting to start up the devestation again. And the Democrat Party is more afraid of “Climate Change”.
The blood of hundreds in Paris is on their hands. How many more will it take? How many in US or Korea?
Oops: *devastation
If “hate-based” crimes are so much worse than normal crimes, and are to be punished more serverely, aren’t false accusations of hate-based crimes also much worse than normal false accusations, and shouldn’t they, too, be punished more severely?
Tbone,
I’m sorry. It’s not my intention to hound you, but I don’t recall you answering on the question of the Obama administration’s minglings in the middle east and what effects they had on stability. If you don’t care, could you please remind me of your stance or opinion?
Also, I wonder how you feel about the insistence of the administration to admit tens of thousands of Syrian refugees, even after the Paris attacks.
I do blame Bush for the Iraq war and beginning the trend of toppling dictators in the region. In fairness, Al Quaida was bombing US targets before Bush was in office, so we probably can’t lay all the blame on the Bush administration for any and all terrorist activities that happened during their watch. If we do, then the question must be asked: were the U.S.S. Cole and the U.S. embassy bombing in Kenya solely Bill Clinton’s fault? Realistically, we can’t stop all terrorism.
I see your point, though. Any good president knows the buck stops with them. Surely intelligence failures and inaction on credible threats by presidents can be blamed on them and their administration. Bush is guilty of this, but certainly he isn’t the only one. If you have noticed, I am not a big fan of W.
I wish we could all admit that there have been craptastic presidents from both parties in recent history.
Refujihadists: http://michellemalkin.com/2015/11/16/a-reminder-of-the-refujihadis-who-have-already-waged-war-on-american-soil/
Sold Out: Why you can’t get the job you thought you could? No; but close: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1501115944
Thomas Jefferson and the Tripoli Pirates: The Forgotten War That Changed American History
http://www.amazon.com/Thomas-Jefferson-Tripoli-Pirates-Forgotten/dp/1591848067
Johnnyboy wrote: “I agree that Bush’s toiling in Iraq is largely the ultimate cause of destabilization which led to ISIS’s rise to power.”
While I have no desire to defend Dubya at all, the fact is that ISIS is a branch of al Qaeda that started in Syria where they were expelled for being too violent.
al Qaeda was started in Afghanistan when Jimmy Carter was President and the Russians were experiencing their Vietnam.
How you get to Bush being responsible is beyond me. The Iraq War was won, even Obama/Biden were willing to crow about it, and troops were removed because of Obama’s inability/unwillingness to negotiate a SOFA.
The success of ISIS is ALL on Obama’s foreign policy failures.
Mind you, Bush is a statist in favor of open borders (he could have and never did built the Border Fence. That allowed countless numbers of potential terrorists into the USA–a policy continued by Obama. But ISIS happened after Bush left office and after Obama created a power vacuum.
The fact that anyone wants to blame Bush for the attacks in Paris is pathetic.
If Saddam Hussein were still in power, I firmly believe that ISIS would never have been allowed to take root in Iraq. Saddam was mostly indifferent about religion. To him Islam was more a means to an end. He did not allow extremists to operate in Iraq if he thought they would bring any heat on him or posed any risk to his complete authority.
Further, Saddam’s exit from power was a signal to the rest of the middle east that dictators could be toppled.
Bush’s actions were not the immediate cause of ISIS, but are ultimately to blame. I can’t see any plausible scenario in which Saddam is still in power and ISIS is allowed to grow to any size in Iraq.
Why is Saddam killing his citizens a bad thing? He was taking out potential terrorists/ radicalists. Now, these jihadists are free to reign with no dictator to stop them.
Even Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney have called Bush’s vision of a democracy in Iraq as ‘naive.’
Johnnyboy wrote “I can’t see any plausible scenario in which Saddam is still in power and ISIS is allowed to grow to any size in Iraq.”
Fine. with Saddam in power, ISIS would not be in Iraq; but they might be in Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon, or any of a hundred other Muslim-dominated areas.
I can’t see any plausible scenario where a, Iran-USA SOFA was signed, US troops never left Iraq, and a couple hundred ISIS troops toppled any part of Iraq. Face it, a reinforced company of Americans with two battalions of Iraqis (and a few well-placed B-52 strikes) would have nipped the initial attacks in the bud.
Look up the rise of the Mahdi in the Sudan. The Egyptian Army led by William Hicks handed the Mahdi thousands of Remington Rifles, over a dozen cannon, and piles of ammunition. After that, recruiting was a breeze. Swinging over to the winning side is a cultural thing in the region. It took a lot of blood, toil, sweat, and tears (and 15 more years) to finish the fight. This is a repeating pattern. The West gets complacent and trips on our own Johnson.
You cannot legitimately blame Bush for ISIS. They formed after Obama took office. They took most of their currently held territory after pretending to be moderate Anti-Assad forces and getting arms from Obama. They took advantage of internecine fighting between Shiite and Sunni factions in Iraq that were under control–and slowly being resolved–when the US was still there. And now they are losing, albeit slowly, as they are faced by US-backed opponents.
Attempting to blame Bush takes the weight of Obama for all of his MANY foreign policy mistakes (red lines in Syria, Libya/Benghazi, support for Muslim Brotherhood, cowardice towards Russia, Iran, and China, et cetera ad nauseum). And it ignores the fact that Bush did not control anything Obama did or failed to do.
You cannot shield Obama. His recent comments show he still hates Republicans who oppose his policies more than he hates people who throw g@ys off roofs, burn/crucify/behead civilians, and attack innocents around the world. He cannot even admit they’re Muslims.
Obama has symptoms of Dementia. Don’t you start down that path. Look for the facts, not just feelings.
Denny wrote: “Why is Saddam killing his citizens a bad thing?”
Saddam and his sons were sadistic illegitimi who had rape rooms where they kidnapped women on a whim and raped them, then turned them over to their minions. It was a death sentence for innocent women who happened to be spotted.
Anyone who complained was liable to be severely beaten or even tortured to death. You didn’t need to be a terrorist. Just someone who disagreed.
Saddam used poison gas on Kurdish villagers. Men, women, children. And Iranians.
Would I have chosen like either Bush? Who knows. But Saddam was not a friend to anyone but Saddam. And maybe Assad. But probably only Saddam.
Murder is always a bad thing. Racist suggestions that everyone in a given nation should die have no place in adult conversations.
But then again, so-called “adults” now think playing frisbee on a college campus is a sign of white privilege, so who knows what dank cesspit our country deserves.
One wonders if these rape rooms were as real as we are led to believe or more mythical like the Kuwaiti babies thrown out of incubators story.
Once Saddam started talking about countering the Petrodollar, the propaganda against him stepped right up… then the military action started… same for Gadaffi.
Whatever the case, ISIS isn’t known for their lack of rapiness… and this seems to be a bit more documented… so the old rape room story seems tame and uninspiring in light of what replaced it.
…just like the tired “gassed his own people” nonsense… as the American government (and most others) have had NO problem attacking “its own people” when they resist federal government control.
Saddam kept order in the region… radical Islam, Iranian influence, etc. Further, there was little religious violence, women had the highest status in the region, education was becoming universal, poverty was declining. These are all stepping stones to a naturally-evolving democracy… a much more successful posibility than one forced on an ignorant population.
Quickly demonizing and removing Saddam instead of working with him was a mistake… a Bush mistake.
Once Iraq was broken, America owned it. Abandoning it to the lowest common denominator of regional power-seekers was an Obama mistake.
…or was it?
It would seem Bush and Obama both did their assigned part in destabilizing the region… promoting regional weakness through infighting… with the likely outcome of creating a weakend unified enemy to fight in the upcoming World War IV… in which victory will insure the losers pay for the much-needed global financial system reset.
Of course no conspiracy on this level is without competing conspiracies and interests… so nothing runs smoothly.
…which is good… as it obscures the true nature of this bipartisan plot constructed by clever thinktanks rather than flighty politicians.
The flighty politicians, liberal do-gooders, media slackers, and Republican opportunists don’t even grasp that World War IV is upon us…
…not even realizing that World War III even existed… as it was a very different war from the more similar WWI and WWII.
WWIV is even more different… but it will be every bit as hot as the Cold War… and affect Western civilian populations in developed countries much more… as 9/11 and Paris have demonstrated.
Once this heats up and global attention is elsewhere, the Chinese will start making more overt moves in their national interests… bringing the eastern part of the world into this World War.
These will be interesting times.
Now where did I put my tinfoil?
Don’t get me wrong, Setnaffa. I blame the Obama administration for helping the rebels in Syria and letting it get as bad as it has in Iraq. Intelligence assets should have been kept working at a minimal functional level to help keep ISIS from steamrolling the entire country.
One thing I did notice though; it may not have made much of a difference as it seems most Iraqis are cowards when it comes to defending their country. Even if they had been clued into all threats I have to wonder if they would have stood and fought instead of abandoning their posts and their equipment.
There’s no easy answer here, but in my mind, unemotionally and analytically I always come back to the opinion that this wouldn’t be a problem if the Bush administration had not invaded Iraq. This may sound bold but I don’t think the Arab Spring would have ever happened if the Arab world had never seen Saddam toppled.
I feel for the people of pre- and post-Saddam Iraq. If we were to pursue every instance of evil people in power in the world, we would be spread very thin.
I do believe that he and his sons were truly evil people. I also believe that more innocent Iraqis have died since he was ousted from power than would have died had he been left in power. Same for Quadaffi. No matter who the president is, there doesn’t seem to be any successful way to conduct warfare and regime change in that part of the world. Maybe that’s because we are fighting more politically than strategically, but if that’s how wars are going to be fought we may as well not fight them. The results are plain to see.
johnnyboy, the problems would be here (meaning outside the Middle East) instead of there if Bush had left Saddam alone… There were already enclaves of folks from there living in closed communities near every American university in the 1970s…
The thing the “coexist” folks hide from is that some folks just want to kill the rest of us.
Donald Trump: World would be ‘100%’ better with Hussein, Gadhafi in power
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/25/politics/donald-trump-moammar-gadhafi-saddam-hussein/
Setnaffa,
If you are referring to Iraqi college students in the U.S. I don’t think they were nearly as menacing as you are implying. Many of them didn’t want to return home and had their families threatened when Saddam took power in order to bring them home to get a return on Iraq’s investment in their science degrees. So, no I don’t believe the Iraq government had Iraqi college students planted in the U.S. to carry out terrorist attacks. I think most of them were just happy to be out of their country and living an American lifestyle.
I’m not a “coexister” but I do believe that the Iraq war was a mistake. Just the same as Libya and Syria, I don’t see what advantages the U.S. gained from our efforts. Saddam was a terrible guy. There’s plenty of them in positions of power in the world. Most of them don’t pose a credible threat to the U.S.
It may be true or it may not, but I think there is something to the petrodollar as Chickenhead mentioned. I have heard that Quadaffi was prepared to abandon the global standard as well shortly before he was ousted from power and had a utility knife jammed in his a$$. So maybe we did gain something out of our actions, but I don’t think we can keep the oil market tied to our currency for very much longer.
Bush’s 2003 Gulf War was a half-assed finishing up of his daddy’s work 12 years earlier. Colin Powell screwed up both jobs. We should have remembered the lessons of the post-WW2 era. No wars in European or Asian countries we occupied (Germany, Japan, Korea) until we left (in fact, the wars in Europe have been in partially Islamic areas formerly occupied by the Soviets after WW2: Serbia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Georgia, Ukraine). And we refused to use Saddam’s Army, giving them little recourse other than joining our enemies. Everyone needs purpose, money, food…
Jonnyboy,
The Muslim students I knew in college and after were far less interested in assimilating and becoming Americans than anyone else. They were none of them open-minded about anything. Even the family of their wife are to be treated as strangers or enemies.
The world is divided into the House of Islam (Dar al-Islam) and the House of War (Dar al-harb). They seemingly can’t get past that mental straight-jacket.
I meet and deal with folks from all over every day. Have done for years. In my experience, Muslims are more likely to feel kinship with people they previously hated (say, ISIS) than the people living next door who helped them when they were hungry. It’s baked into their culture/religion. They will, at times, kill their own daughters for dating outside their insular groups (example, Lewisville, TX).
Wherever they build a Mosque is, they feel, Dar al-Islam. And they slowly, like tree-roots, begin to crush rock and terraform the landscape. Look around. Those “students” aren’t at all like the others on campus…
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Democracy is based on the assumption that a million men are wiser than one man. How’s that again? I missed something.
Autocracy is based on the assumption that one man is wiser than a million men. Let’s play that over again, too. Who decides?
–Heinlein
Johnnyboy… certainly you see the pattern.
Everybody who resists the Petrodollar gets put down pretty quickly. Everybody who supports it stays in power… no matter how crappy they are.
The Petrodollar will dominate…
…and the moment it doesn’t…
…the world will burn.
Mostly Their world.
Setnaffa,
Perhaps you are correct about Muslim college students in the 70’s. I don’t think they were planted as terrorist cells though, if that’s what you are implying. They may have kept some of the same boorish customs as could be found in their homes but I think they were happier here with cheeseburgers and beer than back home fulfilling their obligations to their government.
Do you agree with me that the Obama administration should not have taken Quadaffi out of power or supported the rebels in Syria?
I don’t like men who abuse women, regardless of race, creed, national origin, or Veterans status. And blaming a woman for getting raped, even by a relative, is an unfortunate part of modern Muslim culture. The students I spent time around were very intelligent, so they have no excuse for their actions. The Prophet (pbuh) stated that the New Testament was the word of Allah. Thus they have to obey it. And yet they don’t. See https://carm.org/quran-says-bible-not-corrupt for details. The point here is not that _you_, Dear Reader, need to believe the Bible; but anyone who claims to believe the Quran must. For otherwise they make the Prophet (pbuh) a liar.
As to more current events, I haven’t seen Zero, Cankles, or Lurch do anything I could say was done to _help_ America or our allies. In fact, almost always the opposite. I’m still undecided about whether it’s actively anti-American, honest incompetence, or just small-town political hacks in over their heads.
Obama’s Libya actions and policies are reprehensible and aimed at empowering the enemies of freedom. His actions in Syria (fake red lines and ineffective use of military assets) show he is really too small for a world stage… All he is good for is damaging America. I’m not sure even Biden could screw it up worse.
Obviously you and I are in agreement that wife beaters are d-bags. Muslim culture is by and large effed up. So is much of African culture. Even more so when the two intersect.
I’m sure you knew where I was going with it but the reason I asked how you felt about Obama’s actions in Libya and Syria is because I feel they are on par with Bush’s actions in Iraq. Obama’s may have been on a smaller scale, but after watching Bush try his hand at military intervention in Iraq, he should have known better than to tinker with what could have remained a relatively stable situation.
Anyway, I think they were both wrong and will defend neither. Are you willing to defend the invasion of Iraq? If so, is it because you truly believe in Bush’s actions or because you truly believe in Bush’s political orientation?
Of course, as Chickenhead would assert, regardless of political party, presidents are obligated to protect the petrodollar and all of these actions may have been unavoidable in their eyes or the eyes of those who pull the strings….if you believe that sort of thing. I’m still on the fence.
EGGHEAD and setnaffa join Daesh/are like Daesh in how they’re helping them recruit. Members of ISIS/Daesh cheer on EGGHEADS like EGGHEAD and setnaffa. Don’t believe me? Listen to our American President Barack Obama ❗
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/obama-accuses-anti-refugee-critics-of-political-posturing-568864323925
“President Obama says much of the criticism against the U.S. accepting Syrian refugees is offensive, runs counter to American values and can actually serve as recruitment tools for ISIS.”
“Of course, as Chickenhead would assert, regardless of political party”
Typical EGGHEAD rhetoric…”Dems and GOPers are the same” 😆 🙄 😈
Are I willing to defend the invasion of Iraq? Not in 2003. It should have been done right after freeing Kuwait. Waiting 12 years was lame. As was the sudden change of mission from stop WMDs to nation-building.
There are a lot of good folks in that region, crippled by a theocracy that butchers dissenting views. Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama would have been better served letting others field the boots on the ground to clean up after we disposed of some extra ICBMs.
“Syrian refugees arriving in Europe should form an army which can be sent back to ‘liberate’ their home country, instead of ‘drinking coffee in the cafes of Berlin’ while western soldiers face ISIS”
– the Polish foreign minister has said.
Clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap (claps to infinity)
Q: How do you confuse a Polack to death?
A: Put him in a round room and tell him find a western leader who has something to say about the refugee issue that isn’t nonsensically idealiatic and politically-correct to the point of self destruction.
Johnnyboy, here is a guy that says what I believe about ISIS with much more eloquence:
https://ricochet.com/how-isis-got-so-strong-so-fast/
Liz, I’m clapping too.
CH, you’re not so far off.
GOP led congress is lame and has been for 18 months over ISIS(and elsewhere, everywhere including domestically in USA etc…) in Syria…They simply don’t vote in an attempt to block/stiffle most of all as they’re doing now LIE and attempt to make Obama look bad later as in this current situation. THE FACTS ARE OUT THERE FOR HISTORIANS TO SEE NO MATTER HOW MUCH GOPers LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE like S. Koreans. For the record…GOPers lead S. Koreans in LIES LIES LIES ❗ ❗ ❗
http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/11/politics/isis-aumf-white-house-congress/
EGGHEAD and setnaffa sittin in the tree K I S S I N G, first come L O V E, the comes marriage, then comes EGGHEAD & setnaffa babies with ISIS in the baby carriages. 😳 😆 😈
GOPers Loving ISIS while hating on Paris, France…
Stephen Colbert uses opening monologue to ‘thank Paris for what they’ve done for us’
Lady Liberty sticks up middle finger at GOpers Loving ISIS(like EGGHEAD & setnaffa)…
http://zap2it.com/2015/11/the-late-show-stephen-colbert-thanks-paris/
“With an image of the Statue of Liberty on the screen, Colbert went on, “Because we have used that freedom to make foam versions of it for drunk people to wear on New Year’s Eve. And today, in a tribute to its mother country, Lady Liberty offered ISIS a fitting gesture.”
On cue, the Statue of Liberty flipped up her middle finger for all to see and Colbert smiled, “Long may it wave.”
Q: How many Tbones does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: None. He unscrews the lightbulb… but then removes the end and breaks the tip of the glass to make a crackpipe… and the light never gets changed because he is too busy trying to kill the pain of having a skank mother and a wuss father.
Uh oh
South Korea accepts 200 Syrian refugees
http://www.koreatimesus.com/south-korea-accepts-200-syrian-refugees/
setnaffa,
The only good folks I know of in the region that appear willing to fight are the Kurds. I doubt they could hold down much more territory than they have right now. Everyone else seems to run away at the first sign of trouble. Such is the Arabic way I suppose.
I guess the point I am trying to make is that most people in that area apparently need a strong dictator type to keep the whole place from going to $hit…..er…well…..$hittier. Saddam was that guy. Quadaffi was that guy. Mubarak was that guy. And Assad is that guy. I’m not saying we should have supported them, but we definitely shouldn’t have sought to take any of them out. No real difference in what Bush and Obama did in regards to this particular issue. No real difference in the results.
Obama Tells GOPers How it is Video and of course he’s correct because you can see here EGGHEAD and EGGHEAD Jr. Fear Mongering, ISIS Loving, France and Obama Hating etc…
‘Obama slams Republicans over refugee stance’
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/17/politics/obama-syria-refugees-paris-attacks/index.html
“Manila, Philippines (CNN)President Barack Obama sharply criticized Republicans Wednesday for suggesting that Syrian refugees coming to the United States posed a security threat, blasting some GOP suggestions as “offensive” and mocking what he said was a fear of “widows and orphans.”
“We are not well served when, in response to a terrorist attack, we descend into fear and panic,” Obama said. “We don’t make good decisions if it’s based on hysteria or an exaggeration of risks.”
“Apparently they are scared of widows and orphans coming into the United States of America,” he said later. “At first, they were too scared of the press being too tough on them in the debates. Now they are scared of 3-year-old orphans. That doesn’t seem so tough to me…
…Of particular offense to Obama: suggestions that refugees entering the United States undergo a “religious test.” That appeared to be a response to former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush’s suggestion that the U.S. focus on accepting Christian refugees.
“When individuals say we should have a religious test and that only Christians, proven Christians, should be admitted, that’s offensive,” Obama said Wednesday…”
Obama pointed out that he’s been waiting for a year and a half for Congress to take up a new war powers resolution to address the Islamic State threat, questioning their newfound haste to solve the purported threat of innocents fleeing war.
Defending his administration’s screening program, Obama said it takes 18 to 24 months to clear a refugee for entry, following vetting by the U.S. intelligence community and other agencies as well as biometrics.
Although there are indications that one of the Paris attackers carried a Syrian passport and may have arrived in France alongside refugees, Germany’s top security official has said the passport might have been a fake intended to stoke fears…”
http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_29131612/obama-says-gop-incitement-syria-refugees-needs-stop?source=rss
The GOP led congress is lazy, hypocritical, and hates Obama because Mitch McConnell said long long ago when Obama’s presidency began that the GOP will not work with Obama(because he’s black). So the GOP led congress doesn’t do its job 🙄 Unless you think wasting American taxpayers money and time is worthwhile ❓
“President Barack Obama sharply criticized Republicans Wednesday for suggesting that Syrian refugees coming to the United States posed a security threat”
It doesn’t have to be refugees… it could just be one refugee. Since, at great expense, importing skill-less people who practice a culture completely incompatible with America values is an optional activity, it seems prudent not to exercise that option. Certainly that attention and resources can be redirected at Americans in need.
“We are not well served when, in response to a terrorist attack, we descend into fear and panic,” Obama said.
Obama seems not to know the difference between fear/panic and prudence/practicality. Fear/panic is killing Sikhs because they have a turban. Prudence/practicality is not importing a group of people who almost completely resent American culture (but will take American handouts)… and which a terrorist group has repeatedly bragged will be used to attack America… and who have actually tried to attack America.
““Apparently they are scared of widows and orphans coming into the United States of America,”
Not sure about the orphans. Women have been blowing themselves up as well. So. Yes. They require a degree of caution. Besides, 21.8% of the refugees are males, age 18-59… soooo… Obama is, once again, full of shyt… and Tbone is right behind him eating it in grand centipede fashion.
“Of particular offense to Obama: suggestions that refugees entering the United States undergo a “religious test.””
Interestingly, that is federal law when considering the importation of refugees. It is not a right to enter the United States as a refugee… nor is it at the whim of a slightly unhinged president. It is an act of national compassion guided by a clear legal framework used to determine if someone is being targeted for persecution for reasons such as religion.
When the focus becomes importing Syrian Christians, who are very obviously being persecuted, there can be a rational conversation. Until then, this is all nonsense for reasons that are hard to determine except for the intentional destruction of America by diluting its successful culture.
Johnnyboy,
It took over 5 years for the West German government to really stand up for themselves after WW2 (remember the leftover SS, the “Werewolves”?). And even the Japanese took quite a while to get fully organized. We didn’t give the Iraqis the same chance. And so it was inevitable they would fall. That’s not on Bush. It’s on Obama.
I am really not going to debate whether we should be Team USA, World Police(tm). That’s undoubtedly too long for a blog. But Iraq lost a chance in 2009 when Obama failed to understand even basic History.
We cannot defend keeping Saddam, Qaddafi, and Mubarak without attacking why we removed the Shah in Iran, Samoza in Nicaragua, Diệm in South Vietnam, Marcos in the Philippines, and a dozen others. We really should not get involved at all, except to show other nations we can either be their closest friend (trading partners with no tariffs, joint military operations, etc.), completely neutral (normal trade with reciprical tariffs, no alliance or foreign aid otherwise), or their worst enemy (at which point they lie, broken, their population eradicated by appropriate weapons, their land taken over by refugees from Mexico, Honduras, Syria, etc.).
But I talk tough without the 8th or 15th Air Force Bomber and Missile Wings to back me up, eh? Good for a laugh over a seasonally-appropriate beverage.
We are where we are. We fight with the army we have. We don’t blame the last guy in charge as the buck stops with the current commander. Anyone not tough enough to take it shouldn’t apply. 😉
I wish that when the President makes strawman arguments he’d do it with clean fresh straw. Lately, he’s been running it through bulls and steers first.
@52 EGGHEAD says…
“Not sure about the orphans. Women have been blowing themselves up as well. So. Yes. They require a degree of caution. Besides, 21.8% of the refugees are males, age 18-59… soooo… ”
And of those 21% how many are military men with no families ❓
At a minimum we ought to be bringing in people/men/women that have — orphans or women that clearly aren’t going to be “blowing themselves up.”
You’re a woman, I mean, you can prove you’re a person who won’t be “blowing yourself up,” I think you can prove it, If you can’t prove it, you know, you err on the side of caution.
Setnaffa,
Call it a stereotype but I just don’t think there are many Arabs that are willing to die for their country no matter how long they have to whip themselves into shape. I think there are plenty who are willing to die for the religion though. We happened to end up investing in the former.
We don’t have to defend keeping dictators in power. Sometimes we just need to get out of the way and let them keep their country stable, even if we find their methods distasteful.
Not sure what you mean when you say we removed the Shah of Iran or Marcos from the Philippines. To my knowledge, they were forced out by their own people. We even gave Marcos asylum in Hawaii.
I know Obama has blamed a lot on Bush. That doesn’t mean Bush doesn’t deserve blame for anything. It’s good to analyze the past. We have to know where we went wrong to avoid future pitfalls. That’s a mistake I think Obama made with Libya and Syria. Bush’s Iraq should have served as a lesson on what happens when you decide to stop dancing with the devil you know.
ROKDROP ISIS SYMPATHIZERS and France Haters like EGGHEAD and EGGHEAD Jr./setnaffa should be counted as suspicious characters therefore followed by the CIA/FBI/HOMELAND SECURITY ❗ This is my official report ❗ Don’t say I didn’t tell anyone so 💡
Tbone,
America has an obligation to take care of Americans. Once that obligation is met, there can be consideration of taking care of non-Americans… but that starts with non-Americans who wish to become American and adopt American ways.
In issues from education to healthcare, employment to infrastructure, America is not taking care of Americans.
Cousins of EGGHEAD and EGGHEAD Jr./setnaffa(Anti-Muslim Bigots Yell Insults At Virginia Town Hall Meeting) All droided up…
ISIS, which has killed more Muslims than anyone else, nevertheless gives bigots an excuse to vent.
Pat Robertson: Jesus would say helping ‘refugee horde’ is a bad idea ‘from a policy standpoint’
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/pat-robertson-jesus-would-say-helping-refugee-hoards-is-a-bad-idea-from-a-policy-standpoint/
“TV preacher Pat Robertson responded to a viewer asking what Jesus would do about refugees by explaining that allowing fleeing Syrians into the country was a bad policy that could cause “mayhem.”
“With the horrible, ongoing ISIS attacks, I was wondering what Jesus would say about letting Syrian refugees into America,” a viewer named Heather asked on Thursday’s edition of The 700 Club. “Is it more important to protect our country from evil or to try to save those who do not know Him?”
Robertson insisted that he was a compassionate person “by nature.”
“If I see a person fleeing oppression, I would say let’s put our arms around them and help them,” the televangelist explained. “But from a policy standpoint, the truth is these evil people have infiltrated the refugee hordes.”
According to Robertson, one person pretending to be a refugee had “brought mayhem” to Paris.
“I do think the country has got to be vigilant,” he recommended. “But my heart — you asked me — my heart is to help the poor. And if I saw a family was fleeing the oppression and the war in Syria, I would open my heart and say let’s take them in.”
“But policy makers may disagree.”
Watch the video below.”
@59 EGGHEAD sleeping on both sides of the fence now. I’ve never heard him consider…”America has an obligation to take care of Americans”
Obviously because EGGHEAD hates black people, South Americans, and women including/American-Middle Easterners etc… ❗
EGGHEAD and most others here on ROKDROP only care about feeding the beast/WAR HAWKS so the WAR DOGS can kill and be killed all around the world for themselves and families. How many Americans care about these wars or feel GOPer led wars…Hmmm 2%
“America has an obligation to take care of Americans”
Tbone, for all your yapping about what blacks face in America, you sure are quick to dilute attention to their cause with fake refugees and dillite their employment opportunities with illegal aliens.
Those who jump to the Bible to justify accepting all refugees should recall these three verses, too:
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I Timothy 5:8 (AMP): “If anyone fails to provide for his own, and especially for those of his own family, he has denied the faith [by disregarding its precepts] and is worse than an unbeliever [who fulfills his obligation in these matters].”
2 Thessalonians 3:10 (AMP): “For even while we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. ”
Galatians 1:8 (AMP): “But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we [originally] preached to you, let him be condemned to destruction!”
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To me that means America needs to take care of Americans first, stop paying people not to work if they’re otherwise able, and start paying attention the the whole thing, not just what fits on some atheist’s bumper sticker. Your individual responsibilities are between you and God.