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Tbonetylr
Tbonetylr
8 years ago

Hillary’s angels! Clinton takes foreign policy speech victory lap with the help of limousine liberals Elizabeth Banks, Sally Field, Mary Steenburgen(Orange is the New Black) and more 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3624330/Clinton-takes-foreign-policy-speech-victory-lap-help-Hollywood-Elizabeth-Banks-mocks-Donald-Trump-s-hair-Sally-Field-says-Hillary-doesn-t-likable.html
‘I love it that she thinks before she speaks,’ Steenburgen said. ‘When a man thinks before he speaks he’s being thoughtful, when a woman thinks before she speaks she has to be called “calculating?” I don’t think so.’

‘I love about her that she has seen every injustice in this world and it still pisses her off when things aren’t fair, she still gets upset about it,’ the actress said. 

‘I love that she has edges, who doesn’t have edges at our age, just because we care,’ she added. 

The actress added that she thought ‘Sojourner Truth and Susan B. Anthony did not risk their lives so that a man who calls women “pigs” would be elected president of these great United States.’

The trio of celebrities were joined by actresses Sophia Bush, Jaime King and Debra Messing, who was supposed to hold a fundraiser for Clinton in Philadelphia this week…,”

Hillary Clinton rips Trump’s foreign policy (Full speech)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g_wkSGLVpcE

Tbonetylr
Tbonetylr
8 years ago

USA vs Japan Live NOW on ESPN women’s soccer.

I bet more viewers will watch than recently watched the USA men bs. Columbia yet men get paid MUCH more $$$

Over 1.5 million watched USA vs. Colombia on FOX Sports 1 in Copa America opener
http://worldsoccertalk.com/2016/06/05/1-5-million-watched-usa-vs-colombia-fox-sports-1-copa-america-opening-game/
“The opening game of Copa America 2016 between the USA and Colombia averaged 1.536 million viewers on FOX Sports 1, according to Nielsen fast nationals.

The 1.536 million number is the second most-watched men’s soccer game in FOX Sports 1 history, trailing only the CONCACAF Cup final between Mexico and USA from last fall.”

Tbonetylr
Tbonetylr
8 years ago

Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks shames CNN etc…and this is why Hillary has more votes than Bernie and thusly Drumpf’s only chance at winning because Bernie would smash Drumpf…
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/that-is-not-journalism-cenk-uygur-goes-off-on-cnn-host-for-counting-superdelegates/

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
8 years ago

Poor Hilary.

The Woman Card is all she has in her deck and she just keeps playing it over and over and over.

Surrounded by B-list actresses clawing at the hope of a little fame, they make fun of Trump’s hair while pretending Hillary’s foreign policy record is something other than abysmal.

Hillary: women, women, women, women, women
Trump: American, America, America, America, America

It’s like Hillary doesn’t really want to win this election.

Tbonetylr
Tbonetylr
8 years ago

Drumpf Lies Again On Libya
Drumpf(2011) VIDEO~
“We have to go into Libya to save people’s lives.”
https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/trump-claims-he-didnt-support-libya-intervention-but-he-did?utm_term=.baVQdnwp1#.qhK0vDAQ2

02/25/2016
I didn’t support U.S. intervention in Libya in 2011 and I never said I did (while criticizing President Barack Obama for getting involved). “We would be so much better off if Gaddafi were in charge right now.”

NOW ~ Today
06/05/2016
“I would have authorized a surgical strike to kill former leader Muammar Gaddafi.”
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57544301e4b0c3752dcdedc6

setnaffa
setnaffa
8 years ago

When you find yourself thinking about how an Army truck could have been involved in a water-related wreck and nine dead, or thinking about going through a flooded street you’re familiar with, remember this photo of a State highway. The road or track you “know like the back of your hand” might not be there under that water. comment image?v=ap&w=980&h=551&api=7db9fe61-7414-47b5-9871-e17d87b8b6a0

setnaffa
setnaffa
8 years ago

Hillary’s foreign policy is writ large in Libya and Syria, where all we have are dead Americans and allies indistinguishable from ISIS…

Performance beats speeches…

trololo appears to want attention and a swat on the fanny…

setnaffa
setnaffa
8 years ago
Tbonetylr
Tbonetylr
8 years ago

1 candidates campaign is mostly white, mostly male and pays women less
http://m.aol.com/article/2016/06/05/1-candidates-campaign-is-mostly-white-mostly-male-and-pays-wom/21389800/
“This campaign season, the wage gap between genders is an issue that keeps coming up, and The Boston Globe reports one candidate is less likely to pay men and women equally.

That candidate is Donald Trump. In an analysis of the Trump campaign’s April payrolls, the Globe found that Trump paid men 35 percent more than women — a bit larger than the national gender wage gap.

On the other hand, the Globe’s analysis shows Hillary Clinton’s campaign paid men and women much closer to the same amount, with men making about 1.4 percent more on average.

The Globe also found an almost 50-50 gender split on Clinton’s staff, whereas only 28 percent of Trump’s staff members are women.

Clinton’s campaign is also much more racially diverse, with a third of her staff comprised of minorities compared to Trump’s 9 percent.

This isn’t the first time Trump has been accused of not paying men and women equally. In January, a former Trump staffer sued him, saying his campaign paid men almost twice as much as women.”

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
8 years ago

Hillary is running an Affirmative Action campaign… and it shows.

History will look (and is already looking) at the amazingly poor job her campaign staff is doing… in everything from constantly chainging (and failing) taglines to complete mismanagement of her message.

Trump is running a highly effective campaign… to the point even his most outrageous speaking and action works to his advantage.

Hillary is now struggling to beat a 1960s-era radical who is pushing fantasy socialiism and only recently began to take his own campaign seriously.

President Trump (presumably) will run his administration as a meritocracy rather than a make-work program for women and minorities pushing destructive and devisive agendas.

That would be refreshing.

Tbonetylr
Tbonetylr
8 years ago

“fantasy socialiism” is just a word the GOP came up with to scare the “poorly educated” so-called republicans, but they don’t even really know who they are so they certainly don’t know what “socialism” is.

Capitalism Eats Everything
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ohRiNE8GcHU

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
8 years ago

Tbone,

Sociialism has its place.

Things that cannot or should not make a profit are best sociialized. These include such things as military, law enforcement, prisons, infrastructure that benefits everyone, basic health care, a unifying basic education, etc.. Nobody wants to go back to private fire departments where you negotiate the price while your home burns.

On the other hand, when socialiism becomes a political tool to buy off the lazy, a perpetual crutch for the perpetually dependent, and a demotivator for the productive class to remain productive, it becomes a burden on a functioning society.

When the costs of proposed sociialism are larger than the productive wealth-creating segment of the population can afford, it is fantasy sociialism.

Now we could say that Bernie Sanders is not a “sociialist”, but a social democrat. This is likely true… as he isn’t advocating for the government to own all means of production. Sadly, he has done an incredibly poor job in educating the voting public about the difference… otherwise, he might get a much larger share of Hillary voters… which he has actually been doing now that he is taking his campaign more seriously.

None-the-less, his socialist ideas are fantasy. Let’s look at a few.

Free University For All

The current university scams against both students and government should have people thrown in jail. Free university is not the answer. We already have free school… in which a large percentage of the school population completely squanders… to the point they need to retake (at cost) much of the material in university… only to achieve a worthless degree lacking any actual skills necessary for a job. Paying a reasonable amount of money makes people value their education much more… a fact that is true with anything. Free school should be reserved for those who demonstrated a will and ability to learn in free high school. Free university for all is neither cost effective nor motivating. This plays well to young voters, though.

$15 Minimum Wage

It is not a bad thing to have all workers making a minimum living wage… as it stops corporate welfare such as Walmart workers being taxpayer subsidized with food stamps. This only works if there are fewer expensive regulations and taxation on business… especially small business where owners can use their thin profits to pay employees instead of accountants, lawyers, regulation consultants, etc. Sociialists and democratic sociialists are not known for small government or fewer regulations on business.

Open Borders

While not strictly a sociialist issue, you cannot be for the middle class AND for open borders. This goes double if you plan on free healthcare (for those not paying their fair share into the system) and increased minimum wage (not applying to illegals who will still work at below market value wages). You cannot be sociialist AND encourage a large population that takes advantage of sociialist policies but does not pay into them.

So… there are a few examples of fantasy sociialism. With more time and a bit of research, we could likely find more.

P.S. The Left seems unaware of the difference between capitalism and crony capitalism. Crony capitalism’s tendrils into government are causing the majority of financial problems in America… perhaps social problems, too. Don’t blame capitalism for the failures of crony capitalism.

setnaffa
setnaffa
8 years ago
tbonetylr
tbonetylr
8 years ago

Florida AG asked Trump for donation before nixing Drumpf U. fraud case

In an earlier GOP debate…
TRUMP: You better believe it… I will tell you that our system is broken. I gave to many people. Before this, before two months ago, I was a businessman. I give to everybody. When they call, I give. And you know what? When I need something from them, two years later, three years later, I call them. They are there for me. And that’s a broken system.”
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/e16a8223c24048d290883370dc6abe5b/florida-ag-asked-trump-donation-nixing-fraud-case
“Florida’s attorney general personally solicited a political contribution from Donald Trump around the same time her office deliberated joining an investigation of alleged fraud at Trump University and its affiliates

The new disclosure from Attorney General Pam Bondi’s spokesman to The Associated Press on Monday provides additional details around the unusual circumstances of Trump’s $25,000 donation to Bondi.

The money came from a Trump family foundation in apparent violation of rules surrounding political activities by charities. A political group backing Bondi’s re-election, called And Justice for All, reported receiving the check Sept. 17, 2013 — four days after Bondi’s office publicly announced she was considering joining a New York state probe of Trump University’s activities.

After the check came in, Bondi’s office nixed suing Trump, citing insufficient grounds to proceed.

Bondi was not the only GOP attorney general to shy away from suing Trump.

The Associated Press first reported last week that then-Texas Attorney Greg Abbott received $35,000 from Trump, three years after his office in 2010 dropped a proposed lawsuit over Trump U. Following AP’s report, former Texas Deputy Chief of Consumer Protection John Owens said the case had been dropped for political reasons. He also made public a detailed internal summary of his staff’s strong case against Trump.

Tbonetylr
Tbonetylr
8 years ago

PassMJIA Samantha Bee Will Caress Ted Cruz If This Military Anti-Rape Bill Passes
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5756caf5e4b0ca5c7b4ffc4b
“In 2014, of the 20,300 cases of sexual assault in the U.S. military (48 percent female, 52 percent male), only 6,131 reports were actually filed.

Senator Kirsten Gillibrand of New York is pushing the Military Justice Improvement Act (MJIA), which allows victims of sexual assault in the armed forces to report sex crimes without fear of retaliation.

For some inexplicable reason, the legislation has still not been passed, though it is even supported by occasional-feeler-of-feelings Senator Ted Cruz.

Samantha Bee takes us through the ins and outs of MJIA.

Bee went on to pledge that if MJIA passes, she will caress Cruz. There’s no way she’s bluffing. No one just flippantly says crazy s**t like that.”

PASS MJIA is TRENDING
http://ekla.in/trends/passmjia.html

setnaffa
setnaffa
8 years ago
setnaffa
setnaffa
8 years ago

This, on the other hand, shows Democrats should not be armed… http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2016/06/07/police-investigating-shooting-at-baltimore-church/

Tbonetylr
Tbonetylr
8 years ago

Sheriff targets Hmong community(SE Asians near Oregon/CA border) in CA voter intimidation. Sheriff and clan are buddies with Bundy

A right-wing “constitutional” sheriff is under investigation by California’s attorney general for alleged voter intimidation during Tuesday’s primary election.
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/right-wing-sheriff-under-investigation-for-intimidating-minority-voters-in-california-primary/
“Sheriff Jon Lopey said his deputies assisted the Attorney General’s Office and the Siskiyou County investigate alleged voter fraud claims last week, but the ACLU says the sheriff instead used the inquiry to intimidate immigrants and minorities, reported the Record Spotlight.

State officials are investigating reports that Lopey and his deputies set up a checkpoint outside a subdivision near Hornbrook and stopped only those cars driven by Hmongs, an ethnic group of people from some mountainous regions of southeast Asia, and asked whether they were registered to vote.

Hmong residents said county and state officials showed up at their homes carrying military-style rifles and threatened to arrest anyone who tried to illegally vote — and civil rights activists say many of them stayed home out of fear rather than vote in the primary.

The attorney general and secretary of state sent monitors to polling stations in Siskiyou County, which borders Oregon, to “ensure that all voters are able to cast their ballot free from intimidation, interference or threats of violence,” said Rachele Huennekens, a spokeswoman for Attorney General’s Office.

“We are specifically monitoring reports of alleged voter intimidation among vulnerable minority populations, such as the Hmong community,” Hunnekens said.

Lopey, who is active in the right-wing Oath Keepers and Sagebrush movements…,

…Lopey hosts lectures on his interpretation of the constitution, which match views expressed by the jailed Bundy family and their armed militia supporters, and has appeared in uniform at events sponsored by the Oath Keepers gun organization.

He’s a founding member of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association — which was formed by former Arizona sheriff Richard Mack and promotes the legal fallacy that county sheriffs are the highest law enforcement officers in the United States and authorized to evaluate which laws are constitutional.

The group, which has ties to many of the armed militants who took over an Oregon wildlife refuge about 350 miles northeast of Siskiyou County, is working to elect like-minded sheriffs and pressure elected officials not to enforce gun laws.

Other CSPOA members have been accused of targeting political opponents and minorities for intimidation with trumped-up voter fraud allegations.

The county sheriffs promote conspiracy theories about the Affordable Care Act and the United Nations to convince others to resist federal authority on public lands — a goal they share with both the Bundy militants and the Koch-backed American Lands Council, whose officials speak at CSPOA gatherings…

…They also tend to share the anti-immigrant views of “birther” Sheriff Joe Arpaio, a frequent speaker at CSPOA events…”

Tbonetylr
Tbonetylr
8 years ago

Black Kids are 4 Times More Likely to Be Suspended Than White Kids and twice as likely to be expelled.

And other infuriating statistics about the racial gap in public schools.

But YOU should not be surprised since you’re for suspending, handcuffing, arresting, and sending a kid(black) to larceny court for taking a carton of his free milk. That suspension will likely place the boy in the chronically absent category depriving him of the education he deserves.
http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/department-education-rights-data-inequality-suspension-preschool
“On Tuesday, the US Department of Education Office for Civil Rights(OCR) released a stockpile of statistics for the 2013-14 school year that highlight racial disparities among the 50 million students across the nation’s more than 95,000 public schools. Even as early as PRESCHOOL, the data shows, the experience of black students is strikingly different from that of their white classmates.

This fall, the office will release data for individual schools. For now, here’s a snapshot of what these inequities looked like in classrooms across the United States.

1.6 million students attended schools with at least 1 officer ~ but no guidance counselor.”

Tbonetylr
Tbonetylr
8 years ago

Funny or sad? Fundies are Livid at Obama’s Faith Based Council though originally a Bush creation that gave Christians $$$, so the attack on Christians(in America) ain’t real?
http://crooksandliars.com/2016/06/fundies-are-livid-obamas-faith-based
“Back in the Bush Administration, Dubya created the “Office of Faith Based Initiatives,” which was a sop to Christian ministries to get them some federal dollars for their food banks and other social welfare type activities. It was supposed to be part of Bush’s “compassionate conservatism,” but it quickly became mired in controversy.

First up, there were constitutional challenges to the office because of the whole separation of church and state thing. Some of the office’s grant recipients clearly used the money to spread the gospel while helping the poor. Chuck Colson’s prison ministry was specifically sued over use of government funds for evangelism.

But even worse, this office was exposed by a former Bush Staffer, David Kuo, as being a mere political grandstand to bring out evangelical Christian voters:

[More seriously, Kuo alleges that then-White House political affairs director Ken Mehlman knowingly participated in a scheme to use the office, and taxpayer funds, to mount ostensibly “nonpartisan” events that were, in reality, designed with the intent of mobilizing religious voters in 20 targeted races(or competitions for you racists).

Nineteen out of the 20 targeted races were won by Republicans, Kuo reports. The outreach was so extensive and so powerful in motivating not just conservative evangelicals, but also…]

The Office of Faith Based initiatives included an “advisory council” of national religious leaders. Bush used to have a WEEKLY conference call with evangelicals, which is when Karl Rove’s “The Crazies” moniker came to light.

But here’s the deal: once a President creates an “Office of Faith” whatever, it’s nearly impossible, politically, for any subsequent President to un-do that office. Especially a President that is attacked daily for not being a real Christian. Barack Obama has really had no choice but to continue a faith based advisory council…and troll the hell out of the Religious right.

While Bush used his(FED/taxpayer $$$) “faith office” to scoop up evangelical votes in targeted states, Obama has used the office to highlight diversity in America’s religious fabric. The latest one-year appointments include, well, diversity. I am including the resumes of three to show that these aren’t affirmative action appointments. These folks walk the talk, and have made great contributions to the fabric of our country with faith as the focal point of their work. The three individuals listed below are pictured above. Bios are from the White House website:

Naseem Kourosh…
Manjit Singh…
Barbara Satin…

“It’s probably unnecessary for me to tell C&L readers just how hair-on-fire the religious right is that Obama put a…

…But that’s the loud outrage. Trust me, there’s just as much disgust that…

…This was supposed to be THEIR little office to get federal money to promote…

…That Kenyan Usurper Muslim Barack Obama took their White House (twice!) and messed up their “evangelical outreach” with…”

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
8 years ago

“Black Kids are 4 Times More Likely to Be Suspended Than White Kids and twice as likely to be expelled.”

That is a shocking display of racism. I looked it all up and found it was all the fault of white privilege.

Apparently predominately black schools are orderly and filled with self-disciplined students focused on education while predominantly white schools are filled with disorderly students forcing teachers to spend more time on discipline than education.

…or maybe it was the opposite… can’t quite remember.

But… Mother Jones kinda made a mistake in their out-of-context false narrative-promoting statistics which shed a little actual truth on the matter…

“1 in 5 black and Latino high schoolers missed more than 15 days of school in 1 year”

Unless the Klan is blocking their way to school, these absences are all on them… with no fault of racist whitey.

…and that likely sheds a bit of light on how they interact with school.

Blame Whitey for being racist is certainly easier than taking responsibility and demonstrating self control… but it sure is getting old.

Thanks Obama.

setnaffa
setnaffa
8 years ago

I just saw a female Korean LT got an EIB. So what is stopping tbone now?

Oh yeah, fantasy religion. Funny how many people live in hi head rent-free…

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setnaffa
setnaffa
8 years ago

Wait… did tbone call Obama a Kenyan Muslim? That sounds like tbone is a closet Trumpster!

Tbonetylr
Tbonetylr
8 years ago

FBI Confirms Petraeus Leaked ‘Top Secret’ Info to Reporters & Mistress
http://crooksandliars.com/2016/06/fbi-confirms-petraeus-leaked-top-secret
“New documents obtained by POLITICOfrom the FBI now confirm former CIA Director David Petraeus shared ‘top secret’ information with, not just his biographer and mistress Paula Broadwell, but multiple reporters. Petraeus was forced to step down from his position and received a plea deal of two years probation and a $100,000 fine for his actions, essentially a slap on the wrist.

[“In the conversation, Petraeus stated…,

…”During the conversation, Petraeus requested that…]

Petraeus agreed to a plea deal where he admitted to a misdemeanor charge of mishandling classified information.

That came despite definitely lying to the FBI during their investigation:

[Petraeus] also acknowledged that he initially told the FBI he never gave Broadwell any classified information or helped her access such information, but those statements were not true.]

On top of giving Paula Broadwell ‘top secret’ info, the newly released documents show he assisted her in getting classified information from other people in the government. In one message to an Army lieutenant colonel inquiring about his unit’s operations, Broadwell wrote:

[“If you have classified material, Gen Petraeus has been gracious enough to allow me to have you send the storyboards and material to his SIPR account; I’ll pick them up as soon as you send the word! I’ve copied him on this email,” Broadwell wrote.]

And for all of this, David Petraeus received a resounding slap on the wrist. This comes in comparison to the U.S. government hitting lower-level whistleblowers as hard as possible when prosecuting them. We’ve seen what has happened to the likes of Chelsea Manning, Jeffrey Sterling, and John Kiriakou and there is little doubt what would happen to Edward Snowden if he returns to the United States.

The Snowden case stands in stark contrast when looking at the role former Attorney General Eric Holder plays here. Holder is mentioned in the POLITICO article as stating there wasn’t enough evidence for a felony conviction in the Petraeus investigation, despite the audio recordings making it look like an open-and-shut case. And it appears part of Petraeus’ motive in sharing this info was his sexual relationship with Broadwell.

Snowden, in contrast, shared information with reporters solely to make his fellow citizens aware of the widespread surveillance happening without their knowledge. Some would call this patriotic. Even Holder himself recently stated Snowden performed a “public service” by his actions. Petraeus’ actions were performed for…well, you get the idea.

Yet, it’s Holder who still believes Snowden should be prosecuted. I can’t remember him offering him any sweetheart plea deals, other than to promise not to torture or kill him. I wonder if he had to make the same promise with Petraeus?

The moral of the story: if you are going to leak ‘top secret’ info, make sure you are not doing it to inform your fellow citizens of egregious government actions. Do it for person pleasure only and you’ll walk free. Otherwise, you just might find yourself behind bars.”

Tbonetylr
Tbonetylr
8 years ago

Patraeus is worse than Snowden ❗

Other revelations contained in the unsealed documents include:

* Evidence that both Petraeus and Broadwell initially lied to investigators about the extent of their relationship and about Broadwell’s access to confidential materials, including a trove of secret documents regarding Peteraeus’ years as operational commander of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

* A warrant for audio recordings of Petraeus revealing “Top Secret” information to journalists from the Washington Post during his tenure as director of Middle East operations.

* Evidence that Petraeus high-handedly attempted to stop the investigation as soon as he heard about it, including a blackmail threat against “Witness 1,” who is widely believed to be Florida socialite Jill Kelly.

* Evidence that both Petraeus and Broadwell took pains to hide their affair from their respective spouses, communicating by disposable “burner” cell phones and email accounts with untraceable names.

setnaffa
setnaffa
8 years ago

Translation: Hillary was just doing what other people did, so even though they were punished, she doesn’t need to be.

Have a paint-chip. On the house…

Tbonetylr
Tbonetylr
8 years ago

Navy Admiral Pleads Guilty in “Fat Leonard” Corruption Scandal

He’ll probably get a $100 thousand fine, probation, = wrist slap like Patraeus.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/navy-admiral-to-plead-guilty-in-fat-leonard-corruption-scandal/2016/06/09/6955e5ec-2e4e-11e6-9de3-6e6e7a14000c_story.html
“A one-star Navy admiral pleaded guilty Thursday to a felony charge of lying to federal investigators in the wide-ranging “Fat Leonard” corruption scandal, marking an exceptionally rare instance of a flag officer being criminally prosecuted for actions while in uniform.

In a plea deal with prosecutors, Rear Adm. Robert Gilbeau, a special assistant to the chief of the Navy Supply Corps, admitted to concealing the duration and extent of his relationship with Leonard Glenn Francis, a Singapore-based defense contractor who showered Navy brass with prostitutes, cash and epicurean meals over a decade until his arrest in 2013.

Court papers show Gilbeau destroyed papers and computer files after Francis was arrested in an international sting operation and repeatedly minimized his contacts with the contractor when confronted by federal agents.

In the modern history of the Navy, only a handful of admirals have faced criminal prosecution. Just one admiral has been court-martialed since the end of World War II. A few others have been charged with crimes by civilian authorities shortly after they retired from the service.

Gilbeau is scheduled to be sentenced on Aug. 26 and faces a maximum of five years in prison, though federal guidelines dictate that he is likely to receive little, if any, time behind bars…

…He is the highest-ranking officer to be charged so far for his ties to Francis, a larger-than-life figure known in maritime circles as “Fat Leonard.” Francis has admitted to bribing “scores” of Navy officials with millions of dollars in a case that has mushroomed into the worst corruption scandal in the Navy’s history.”

Smokes
Smokes
8 years ago

TBone wrote:
Bah.. you can see it, it’s right up there.. go read it.

Anyway ok all valid points, the P man did bad things and wasn’t appropriately punished. People in powerful positions aren’t being fairly punished in general.

I agree with you that it’s wrong. Except Manning, what he (at the time was a he) leaked doesn’t jive with why he claimed to have leaked it. His timing, execution, and expectations were irresponsible. Besides how are you going to rail against the government wholesale and then ask for a handout for gender reassignment surgery from the very same government?

Given the above, do you still defend what Hillary did? Do you even appreciate the scope (beyond the classification issue)?

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
8 years ago

The “elites” are not only playing by different rules, they are rubbing it in everyone’s faces.

Can you feel it?

Can you feel the USA is just one serious event away from torches and pitchforks?

Will it be productive citizens rising up to fight a conspiracy of injustice?

…or the parasite class burning the area to protest a lack of instant gratification?

While the last few elections have been filled with some shady antics, one could guess any questionable procedures or results in the upcoming presidential election could set off a bit of social unrest on the loser’s side.

Tbonetylr
Tbonetylr
8 years ago

Deadbeat Donald Drumpf

We know he’s involved 3500 lawsuits and lied by saying other top real estate firms have similar amounts but upon investigation we learned that Drumpf has more than the top 5 combined. And now this…
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/revealed-hundreds-of-claimants-say-deadbeat-donald-trump-doesnt-pay-his-bills/
“Hundreds of former employees and business associates say that former reality TV star and presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump is a grifter and a deadbeat who never paid them for their work.

According to USA Today, Trump has left a trail of broken promises and debts in his wake over the years as a result of his long string of failed businesses, multiple bankruptcies and a cavalier attitude regarding his obligations to others.

“Donald Trump often portrays himself as a savior of the working class who will ‘protect your job.’” said the newspaper. “But a USA TODAY NETWORK analysis found he has been involved in more than 3,500 lawsuits over the past three decades — and a large number of those involve ordinary Americans who say Trump or his companies have refused to pay them.”

The article tells the story of people like Philadelphia cabinet-builder Edward Friel Jr., who performed $83,600 worth of work building “bases for slot machines, registration desks, bars and other cabinets at Harrah’s at Trump Plaza.”

Friel submitted an invoice in 1984 and it was never paid. The missing revenue crippled the family business and ultimately resulted in the end of the Edward J. Friel Company, destroying what the Friel family took generations to build.

USA Today said that more than 60 lawsuits and a blizzard of judgments, liens and other filings are from a wide array of Trump employees who are all waiting to be paid for their work.

“Among them: a dishwasher in Florida. A glass company in New Jersey. A carpet company. A plumber. Painters. Forty-eight waiters. Dozens of bartenders and other hourly workers at his resorts and clubs, coast to coast. Real estate brokers who sold his properties. And, ironically, several law firms that once represented him in these suits and others,” the paper said.

Trump companies have been cited on 24 violations of the 2005’s Fair Labor Act by failing to pay overtime or minimum wage. The purported billionaire has been served with more than 200 mechanic’s liens filed by contractors and employees, ranging from “a $75,000 claim by a Plainview, N.Y., air conditioning and heating company to a $1 million claim from the president of a New York City real estate banking firm.”

Trump has made of habit of stiffing small businesses and suppliers over the years and then simply financially exhausting them in court or waiting until the financial wounds he inflicted on them drive them out of business.

Edward Friel’s son Paul told USA Todaythat his father’s company filed for bankruptcy after five years of battling Trump and his lawyers, but that his family’s experience is hardly unique.

“There’s tons of these stories out there,” he said. “Trump hits everybody.”

This is just another reason that all of the top commercial banks in NYC have long made it a point to never lend money to Drumpf…

See ~
Loan Fight: Deutsche Bank Vs. Donald Trump

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/loan-fight-deutsche-bank-vs-donald-trump/
Deutsche Bank, a major backer of Trump’s mammoth new condominium/hotel tower in downtown Chicago, is demanding the real estate mogul pay a $40 million personal guarantee connected to a $640 million construction loan the German bank made in 2005. That loan came due Nov. 7 with an outstanding balance of $334 million, according to a lawsuit filed last week in New York state court.

Trump has a long history of playing hard ball with creditors, especially during the economic and commercial real estate downturn of the 1990s.

A few weeks ago, Trump sued Deutsche Bank seeking to excuse a repayment of more than $330 million due Nov. 7 and pushing to extend his firm’s construction loan for an unknown period of time.

In his lawsuit, Trump blames the worldwide economic crisis, noting it was an “once-in-a-lifetime credit tsunami.” On top of that claim, Trump is also seeking $3 billion in damages from Deutsche for allegedly breaking agreements in the construction and financing of Trump International Hotel and Tower in Chicago. Trump argues the bank’s actions has hurt condo sales.

Last week, Deutsche Bank moved to have that case dismissed.”

setnaffa
setnaffa
8 years ago

tbone calling an actual Billionaire a “deadbeat”: Priceless…

Tbonetylr
Tbonetylr
8 years ago

For a moment let’s pretend I’m a “deadbeat,” but that’s only because of the worldwide economic crisis and Obama. So there, now would it be okay ❓

Tbonetylr
Tbonetylr
8 years ago

Here’s How Trump Stiffed an 82-Year-Old Immigrant Over an Unpaid Bill

China won’t like Drumpf if/when he becomes president and stiffs China on $$$ owed.

This was one of many times the presumptive GOP nominee has been accused of failing to pay his tab.
http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2016/05/when-donald-trump-didnt-want-pay-chandelier-bill
“USA Today this week reported that it “found hundreds of people—carpenters, dishwashers, painters, even his own lawyers—who say he didn’t pay them for their work.” And some years ago, an 82-year-old Latvian immigrant named Nicolas Jacobsen learned the hard way about Trump’s penchant to squeeze folks when it’s time to settle up.

The saga began in 2004, when Trump was sprucing up his private Palm Beach resort, Mar-a-Lago, ahead of his January 22, 2005, wedding to his third wife-to-be, Melania. His upgrades included the purchase of three crystal chandeliers from Jacobsen’s West Palm Beach business, Classic Chandeliers, which specialized in expensive replicas of chandeliers that hung in Versailles or Napoleon Bonaparte’s palace.

The price tag for the chandeliers was more than $68,000, but Jacobsen offered to sell them to Trump for $34,000. Jacobsen claimed Trump did not want to pay the sales taxes on the sale but eventually relented; Trump ultimately paid nearly $17,000 as a deposit. Jacobsen installed the chandeliers in the entryway and two bathrooms in the resort’s new 20,000-square-foot ballroom, which Trump had built in advance of his star-studded wedding, where many of the wedding vendors reportedly provided their services gratis, hoping for a boost from the extra publicity. (The New York Times even reported that Trump got Melania’s 13-carat diamond ring for half-price).

After the wedding, Jacobsen repeatedly tried to get Trump and the resort to pay the remaining $17,000 owed to him. But the tycoon would not settle up. So Jacobsen took his story of being stiffed by Trump to the Palm Beach Post. After the article ran…

…Trump brags that he always gets the best deals, and he has vowed to bring his aggressive deal-making style to the White House. But his slash-and-burn approach doesn’t always work, particularly against people with the means to fight back.

William Scherer, a prominent Fort Lauderdale lawyer and GOP fundraiser who had represented Trump in a legal matter, told the Sun-Sentinel last year that Trump is a “deadbeat.” (Scherer isn’t the first critic to use such a term for Trump.) In 1994, Scherer took Trump to small-claims court to get him to pay a $5,000 bill he owed. Scherer told Reuters that he’d already cut his rate for Trump, but after the matter was resolved, Trump’s reps called him and wanted to cut the outstanding bill “from small potatoes to smaller potatoes…I wouldn’t go for it.” Scherer told the paper he won his full bill, plus court costs.”

setnaffa
setnaffa
8 years ago

No. Ad hominem attacks are not okay. And, BTW, no one called you a deadbeat. It’s just that you’re not in a position to call Trump that. Nor are we in a position to call you that. None of us know if you’re honoring your legal financial responsibilities. Or, frankly, Trump’s.

He wasn’t my choice; but he got a lot of votes. And did it without the President ordering the US Attorney General not to prosecute him for numerous felonies related to handling of classified information. Or getting Americans killed overseas (Hint: there’s a bigger story than Benghazi about to surface).

tbone, you need to learn to like people. There are some nice people out there. Even some white folks are nice. Not sure about all of us here; but we all have moments.

Also, don’t blame “the worldwide economic crisis and Obama” for your circumstances. You live in America. Remember Colonel Sanders was 65 and washing dishes at a truckstop when he was “discovered”. You can do a lot better than hanging out here tossing poor quality flamebait. Why don’t you make yourself successful and come back and offer CH and the rest of us jobs in your wildly successful corporation? You could, you know.

Here’s a book that helped me move from minimum wage (and below) jobs to something much better. https://www.amazon.com/What-Color-Your-Parachute-2016/dp/1607746611/

I believe you can do at least as well as me. If you are willing to try.

Tbonetylr
Tbonetylr
8 years ago

“Minimum Wage” jobs ❓

WTF is “much better” $15.00 per hour ❓

Bank tellers the single largest occupation within [the retail banking] category, have a median hourly wage of $12.44.” A 2014 report found that “nearly one-third of tellers’ families” were enrolled in public assistance programs.
http://www.nelp.org/content/uploads/NELP-Report-Banking-on-the-Hard-Sell.pdf
We have corporate employees being subsidized by the public because of greedy capitalistic CEO’s and shareholders who enable their behavior.

Andy
Andy
8 years ago

Won’t the effect of the $15.00 min wage, also raise the salaries of those already making $15 and higher?

I could see these workers having a valid complaint that they deserve much more than their subordinates and of those brand new workers just coming in off the street.

JoeC
JoeC
8 years ago

The difference between salaried and wage paid work has gotten muddied and abused. That led to the President calling for an executive order that doubles the compensation threshold for a salary from $23,660 to $47,476 per year.

How is it currently being abused? While wage workers get paid a fixed amount per actual hours worked a salary worker gets paid a fixed amount per pay period; per month and per year regardless of the actual number of hours worked. If a business owner tells a worker he is now a manager and will get a salary of $24,000 a year, that would be about $12 per hour if he worked 40 hours per week for 50 weeks. However, if he regularly has to work more than 40 hours with no overtime pay compared to his wage paid subordinates, averaging 45 hour weeks he gets less than $11 per hour and averaging 50 hour weeks he earns less than $10 per hour.

Tbonetylr
Tbonetylr
8 years ago

Surely it is better to just keep it the way it is. The rich keep getting richer as their employees require the sucking of non-existent middle-class(poor) taxpayers dry. “It’s just not possible for banks to give a raise to more than one type of worker” ~ Andy

Andy
Andy
8 years ago

JOEC,

Sounds like what a friend was telling me a few years back about a supervisor position that had opened up at his workplace. None of the employees (even some that had been their many years) wanted the “promotion”, as the position didn’t allow overtime pay. The position was essentially more responsibility with less pay. They had to hire someone from outside the company to fill it, lol.

Tbonetylr
Tbonetylr
8 years ago

And he did not waste any time, got a quick standing ovation to boot, all 8 minutes are fantastic ❗

Rabbi Michael Lerner Rips Donald Trump, GOP, etc…At Muhammad Ali Funeral in the name of Muhammad Ali 🙂 😎
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cza0IY1h6VI

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
8 years ago

“How Clinton Donor Got on Sensitive Intelligence Board”

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/clinton-donor-sensitive-intelligence-board/story?id=39710624

Eventually, the media may be forced to recognize that Hillary used her “homebrew server” not for “convenience” or due to “mistaken judgement” or because she thought it was “standard practice”…

…but because she wanted to avoid any record of all the dirty dealing for financial and political gain she did while peddling access to companies and countries, hooking up those who helped her, and generally selling out America to put Hillary first.

This witch needs to burn.

setnaffa
setnaffa
8 years ago

Each of us has to decide what level of effort to expend in finding and keeping an income that meets our needs.

Some people are happy with as little as “… a warm place to [defecate]”. They vote for government that steals from workers to pay non-workers. And they tend to live in piles of their own filth. Then they complain about the smell and the view.

Some people want to be more than serfs. They never vote for government handouts; but end up being robbed anyway. They move from California to Texas and are able to keep more of what they earn.

YMMV.

I prefer Friedman and Bastiat to Keynes and Rifkin. The former more clearly understood how markets work; the latter were both socialists pushing policies that obviously fail. Sadly, boorish Earl Butz and intellectual Ayn Rand were both a bit prophetic. I hope that America changes with Trump at the helm; but I’m not optimistic.

Tbonetylr
Tbonetylr
8 years ago

“Hillary used her “homebrew server”….just like no Secretary of State before her used the alternative or gov’t email system alone. There you go again sounding like a little child searching for something that ain’t there. 🙄 😆 😈

“This witch needs to burn”

For what, just because you don’t like her? What about the 13 consulate/embassy killings under Bush? Oh I forgot the GOP just likes to set new precedents without looking back(at itself) while its poorly educated followers jump on the bandwagon as though it’s the norm.

And ewww, such a hateful unjustifiable “need” as you sound like Liz saying she’s a “criminal” without any there there or legal charges to boot.

By those standards, Bush & Chainey & Co. should’ve been hung long ago ❗

Tbonetylr
Tbonetylr
8 years ago

Prior to Benghazi, were there 13 attacks on embassies and 60 deaths under President George W. Bush?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/may/12/john-garamendi/prior-benghazi-were-there-13-attacks-embassies-and/
“As the U.S. House of Representatives was readying a new special committee to investigate the terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya, many Democrats were arguing that continuing to probe the Sept. 11, 2012, attack — which killed four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens — amounted to a political witch hunt.”

See… Chickenhead has joined the failed “witch hunt” 😈

“The Select Committee on Benghazi & Goofball Chairman Trey Gowdy has already cost taxpayers more than $6.8 million to date, at a rate of 8,000 per day, while the committee chairman presents false information to the press. BENGHAZI INVESTIGATIONS BY THE NUMBERS: A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE COMMITTEE TO DESTROY HILLARY CLINTON.”

johnnyboy
johnnyboy
8 years ago

Does possible malfeasance from members of one party in the past make it okay for members of another party in the present?

If Colin Powell had any wrongdoings regarding his email, he should face consequences. Any questions about his email practices would probably preclude him from running for president, especially if the FBI were investigating him.

Tbonetylr
Tbonetylr
8 years ago

No but “burning the witch”(wasting taxpayer $$$ searching for nothing while pretending there’s something until the end of time or at least for 8 more years) for what others have done in the past is a bit much no ❓

johnnyboy
johnnyboy
8 years ago

Apparently the FBI doesn’t think so. She did something completely different than any other Secretary of State in controlling her own email server. That doesn’t raise any inkling of suspicion for you?

I agree there are partisan attacks from both sides in Washington. Keep in mind the House Benghazi Committee didn’t have the benefit of all of Clinton’s email traffic for a lot of its investigation.

No matter. They were never intended to find the truth of the events of that evening. That truth most likely would implicate high ranking members of both parties in collecting weapons in Libya and transferring them to the Syrian rebels.

Tbonetylr
Tbonetylr
8 years ago

Christina Grimmie sings ‘Wrecking Ball’ The Voice Highlight Blind Auditions
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zTIfBXxgfrk

setnaffa
setnaffa
8 years ago

She also sings, “In Christ Alone”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzseOqwn8oo

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
8 years ago

“Hillary blah blah blah.”

“But Bush!”

“Oh. Yeah. Well then. Nevermind.”

…and then the liberal woke up from the happy dream.

setnaffa
setnaffa
8 years ago

So now tbone is a joo?

setnaffa
setnaffa
8 years ago

BTW, Canadians, especially the English teachers I met at the Nashville Club back in the 90s, are fond of saying they are Americans, too… Canada is, in case you’ve forgotten, a part of North America… 😛

tbonetylr
tbonetylr
8 years ago

Korean Horror Film The Wailing and The Jap
http://www.vox.com/2016/6/11/11906016/the-wailing-horror-film-review
‘The Wailing’ is the most unsettling Korean horror film in years, but it offers more chills than answers
Na Hong-jin’s first film in six years serves up a glimpse of intense evil over a disturbing clash of cultures.

In the new Korean horror film Gokseong (The Wailing), a ghost, a demon, a shaman, and a zombie-like viral infection have invaded a remote mountain village. But none of those things are the truly scary part.
Writer-director Na Hong-jin made an international splash in 2008 with his feature debut The Chaser, which he followed up in 2010 with The Yellow Sea; both films are dark thrillers involving lone, lost men caught up in events far beyond their control.
Here’s what’s good, bad, and weird about The Wailing.
Good: the overwhelming sense of tonal dread and ambiguity, aided by some really beautiful scenery
Bad: the striking xenophobia
Weird: the mix of Catholicism, Korean shamanism, and the occult

The Wailing is in theaters nationwide(American theaters? OMG, another Korean box office flop in America) ❗

Of course Koreans are attending in S. Korea, they love to hate on “The Jap” just like the GOP American white man loves to hate on anyone else with color.

Tbonetylr
Tbonetylr
8 years ago

Patraeus and Mark Kelly Form New Gun Control Group called “The Veterans Coalition for Common Sense(VCCS), anybody want to join ❓ Or don’t you have any common sense ❓

Is Patraeus doing damage control or must be feeling depressed for his behavior, his stain on the nation, his war crimes, his absence of field records for the Iraq and Afghanistan military campaigns, his extramarital affair, his lack of a direct combat record in relation to the many awards he received, his unauthorized removal, retention of, and sharing of classified information to unauthorized personnel, as he’s now forming a gun control group for vets etc(with Mark Kelly)…to prevent more gun death killings/suicides.
http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/283049-petraeus-mark-kelly-form-new-gun-control-group
“Gen. David Petraeus and retired astronaut Mark Kelly announced Friday they are forming a new gun control group for veterans.

As service members, each of us swore an oath to protect our Constitution and the homeland,” said Kelly, who formed another gun control group with his wife, former Rep. Gabby Giffords (D-Ariz.), after she was shot and seriously wounded during a mass shooting in 2011.

The Veterans Coalition for Common Sense will push to strengthen gun background check laws and help prevent veterans from committing suicide. It pointed to several alarming statistics about the military and gun violence.

In addition to Petraeus, the former CIA director, and Kelly, a number of other generals and admirals will join the group, including another former CIA director, Michael Hayden, and retired Adm. Thad Allen.”

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
8 years ago

If these diickbags spent half as much time promoting targeted mental health care as they did lazily biitching about blanket gun controls, many problems in society would be solved.

Whenever terms like “common sense” are used in an organization or law, it is a sign it is all about obscuring an intrusive and/or controlling agenda with opposite-speak.

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