Tweet of the Day: Koreans Plan Protest Against Muslim Refugee Policy

Why in the world would the Korean government even consider letting these people into their country, knowing what’s been going on in Europe and the rest of the world. They are going to open the door to big trouble.

Koreans have their unique way of thinking. They might be able to explain it to me going all the way back to the imaculate Kim; and won’t shut up. I doubt that I can be made to understand it.

Johnhenry…

Are you still talking?

Are you allowed to contribute to the conversation before you answer what positive things Islamic refugees offer Korea?

Maybe.

But not if you continue the stupidtalk.

Charliem said:

“It will be like the enclaves in Paris, etc.”

And you replied:

“What enclaves in Paris? Are you referring to “no go zones”? There aren’t any.”

So you pull “no go zones” out of your ass and then attack your own bullshit. Dick move, Johnhenry, dick move.

Bonus: There ARE Muslim enclaves in Paris. It is unclear if they are no-go zones. I wouldn’t wear my yarmulke there.

Johnhenry is disillusion, jihadist are overrunning Europe and he is either in denial or a facilitator of the destruction. Keep the jihadist out of Korea.

Johnhenry, you answered nothing.

You said that Islam could offer Korea “mercy, charity, and benevolence” with the arrogant assumption that Islam is better at any of those things than South Korea.

Those vague offerings, which Korea already has in far more abundance than much of the world, including much of the Islamic world, is not a reason worthy of taking on all the burdens an Islamic population, especially a “refugee” population, brings.

So it is not an answer.

You are likely aware of this or you would have gone into deeper detail concerning the wonders of Islam that Korea is missing out on instead of screaming bigot… so it can be concluded that you are being insincere or untruthful.

As for tired accusations of bigotry toward anyone who does not share your indoctrination, keep in mind that bigotry is opinion in the absence of evidence.

In the case of Islam and Islamic refugees, we have no evidence their presence will improve Korea… and we have evidence their presence is a burden in places where their fudemental culture and regressive values are opposed, sometimes violently, to their host nation.

You have been given plenty of opportunity to change my mind by intrducing clear reasons why the introduction of Islam and Islamic refugees will be a net gain for Korea.

You have avoided this by calling everyone bigots for their clear reasoning based on known facts and observed trends.

Informed opinion is not bigotry unless the information changes and the opinion does not.

You are incapable of introducing information to change informed opinion (because it does not exits) and you are only capable of screaming insults.

It is people like you, demanding functional cultures accept dysfunctional ones by screaming false-virtuous insults, that hardens the hearts of those who want their functional socities untouched by those wallowing in chronic dysfunction.

You, and those like you, insure no shortage of bombs continue to get dropped on the Muslim world.

Sleep well with that in mind.

Not sure South Korea needs more educated people. Check with unemployed young college grads to make certain.
Perhaps His Kimness in the North needs some help with his nukes, though.

The question was never about America.

The question is what Islam can offer Korea.

…and what Islamic refugees, which are not doctors and could not practice medicine even if they were, can offer Korea… which is not at all short of doctors, engineers, computer programmers, or file and coffee fetchers… who don’t need to pray 5 times a day, can bond through drinking, and don’t have a statistically significant percentage that will eventually disrupt society through violence.

One of you spouts nonsense.

The other screams apples when the subject is oranges.

…and the question(s) go completely unanswered.

…because there is no answer that fits your indoctrination.

This is what Islam has to offer Korea:

http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/04/south-korea-confronts-islamist-terror/

…not EVERYONE from Islam… but eventually there will be an incident that is completely unnecessary… because all religions attract a percentage of whackjobs… but Islam makes them dangerous. Good job, Islam.

And since Korea doesn’t need unusable doctors, illiterate file clerks, or chronically dependent refugees, there is NO benefit to Korea and there is potential, perhaps inevitable, danger and disruption.

In the end, why fix something that is not broken?

Bonus thought: Encouraging Islam in Korea also puts Americans and USFK in danger… so thanks for that, assholes.

MTB is suddenly an expert on which Muslims will emigrate to South Korea?

I’d love to see statistics from the US Census, as opposed to what amounts to a website devoted to multiculturalism with a very liberal dose of al taqiyyah; However, the U.S. Census Bureau does not collect data on religious identification.

Bring Bibles to Dearborn, Michigan and try to tell the “educated Muslims” about Jesus, or as they name Him, “Īsā ibn Maryam”. They’ll show their tolerance by beating you to death or, if the police arrive in time, arresting you for proselytizing. No 1A rights in Muslim-controlled areas in America. It’s safer to be a Trump supporter in Portland, Oregon.

I live a block from a Mosque and many of my neighbors are among the educated Muslims; but the older folks are decidedly unfriendly. The wife and I no longer take walks in the greenbelt in the evening because our affluent suburban neighborhood has changed in the last five years.

BTW, in 1986, I was assured by a friend, a very intelligent, well-educated, well-spoken, fellow student in California that “jihad” no longer existed in Islam. The fellow, at the time claiming to be a “Palestinian”, changed his nationality to “Syrian” after Saddam invaded Kuwait. Now he sells desserts through high-end stores. You might have eaten his treats. Two of our other Muslim friends were killed by “Palestinians” trying to defend their homes in Kuwait after Iraq invaded. So much for Muslim treatment of truth and educated Muslims. C’est la vie.

Will Muslims, educated or not, go to South Korea for non-existent jobs? South Koreans can’t even join the military without waiting in queues. No, the Muslims who come will be unskilled and unemployable, just like what France, Germany, and England received. And just as in Europe, they will demand that South Korea pay them to live and procreate. And riot when the government can no longer pay.

Seriously, I worry about the mental health and acuity of some of our fellow-travelers. They see the truth staring them in the face, and refuse to accept it because of politics or lack of any fixed moral compass. 🙁 🙁 🙁

MTB Rider, you are confused.

The fault is mine for explaining individual points but not the framework in which they sit.

1. My emotion and my rationality are compartmentalized. What I feel about individual Muslims does not affect my evaluation of the entire situation. Again, Islam has NOTHING to offer Korea that it does not already have or cannot get elsewhere without the Islamic component. The Islamic component is a net loss for Korean society. It is not necessary… so there is no reason to muddy up the water by needlessly introducing it.

2. The Muslims I deal with are highly educated and socialized, mostly in non-Islamic countries… many of them are… uh… marginally Muslim. They are in Korea because they work cheaply or because their governments are paying to have them in Korea. They have no plans to stay and do not entangle themselves in Korean society or feel any need to push an Islamic agenda. From the view of the effects on Korean society, they are useful people without the Islamic component.

3. Educated and skilled Muslims doing a specific task for a limited time at a competitive price with no risk of regressive cultural contamination is not the same as accepting random refugees whose “education” is primarialy Islamic indoctrination and pre-radicalization… who generally have no skills that translate to Korean society… and, with the outlook of permanent residency filled with the free time of chronic dependence, have a tendency to try to push some of their ideas on society… and set up parallel societies when their values are not accepted.

4. Do not confuse my visual (but not mental) admiration of sexy Iranian women who marginally and grudgingly comply with the social demands of radical Islam… with some sort of love for Islamic ideals or Iranian leadership which won’t shut up about destroying the Great Satan USA and their Israeli gangster puppet lackey running dogs.

5. There is a big difference between Muslims over there and over here. I am not advocating the extermination of global Muslims. I am saying that Korea has none of the problems an Islamic population introduces… so why introduce it?

Again… Islam brings NOTHING to Korea that it does not have or cannot get elsewhere without the Islamic component.

Despite pleas to emotion, unrelated examples, and insults, nobody has yet made a case for needlessly introducing into Korea a larger, permanent, socially entangled Islamic population composed primarily of unskilled, uneducated, chronically depended people who are known for clinging to the failed cultural behaviors, attitudes, and values which made them refugees to begin with.

Can I expect a reply?

MTB is a good guy who probably now grasps his mistake…

…and Johnhenry is just a misguided tool with lemon juice where his heart should be.

Anybody else want to agree or disagree?

Korea has too many doctors. Korea is not in need of additional doctors who have many (local) shortcomings compared to Korean doctors.

…and you are full of shit to suggest that all… or any… of the refugees are doctors, engineers, computer programmers… or anybody with useful education or skills.

Not every Muslim is a terrorist… but a percentage are. So, eventually you will get terror. So why get involved when it is complety unnecessary?

I am glad you now recognize there is no need for worthless refugees… or worthless dangerous refugees… or even the very rare skilled refugees who insist on bringing all the cultural baggage that made them refugees to begin with.

I do not need to revel in any victory.

The situation was clearly settled long before this conversation started.

I wonder if Johnhenry has anything intelligent to say or if he will type BIGOT in all caps, declare victory, and never be seen again.

“Pick and choose, maybe bump the folks from King Saud University to the top of the list, while sending Abdulla the Yemini Goat Herder back. Don’t be a dumbass in either direction.”

I am in total agreement with this line of thinking… especially with selective immigration to America where skilled immigrants should be welcome and unskilled immigrants should be rejected.

…and, with the camel already out of the bag by having an existing Muslim population, it isn’t necessary to reject them all.

…and, oddly, just like the treatment for methyl alcohol poisoning is an ethyl alcohol drip, an influx of educated and socialized succesful moderate Muslims might be a good influence on the existing ones of questionable pedigree and intentions who are 3 times more likely to be poor than average Americans… and involve themselves in the types of mischief that wealth inequality brings about in most nationalities, races, and religions.

However…

Korea is not America… and goathearders, not graduates, make up the refugee demographic seeking asylum… with the war-torn Koran in one hand and a request for lifetime support in the other…

…and clinging to values and attributes HIGHLY incompatible with the direction Korea is fighting hard to go in areas from women and gay equality to dealing with a surplus of educated citizens and a shrinking pool of jobs that require no skill.

Gold Plated University of Sultan Ali Baba School of Rocket Surgery graduates apply for asylum in the west and have no interest in Korea.

And… in continuing insincerity…

“See how that works? You can always find a POS in any ethnic group.”

I see exactly how that works.

Make a list of terrorist and terrorist-like incident in America and you will find a tiny percentage of the 197,870,516 (non-Hispanic) white people are responsible.

Then look at the percentage of incidents within ~3,450,000 American Muslims (most of which are children)

Not even comparable.

If you look around Korea, you might notice shocking low crime and terror.

Why fuck that up to satisfy liberal fantasies?

Like Australia’s policies that keep it rabies-free at the expense of missing out on a cute puppy or two, Korea needs similar policies that keep Korea Islam-free at the expense of missing out on… on… on… another engineer in a country FULL of engineers.

Once again:

Islam offers NOTHING to Korea that it does not already have or can get elsewhere without the Islamic component that has attitudes, behaviors, and values completely counter to the direction Korea is working hard to go.

You have tried to bullshit me by saying every group has a percentage of bad people while completly ignoring those skewed percentages… and the reality that miniscule populations of Muslims in Europe and America are responsible for a majority of terrorist incidents…

…and not crazy people doing crazy things (which has happened in Korea) but Muslims doing Muslim things.

In the end, you have failed to show how any benefit of Islam outweighs its disadvantages for Korea… and you have actually supported the idea that Korea should not allow Muslims in.

Setnaffa…

Don’t get ahead here. We don’t use ammunition we do not need.

If the Islamaboos start gushing too much over educated Muslims, we point all that out.

But… as the cat is out of the bag…

“A paper (PDF) released this summer by two sociologists, Diego Gambetta and Steffen Hertog, adds empirical evidence to this observation. The pair looked at more than 400 radical Islamic terrorists from more than 30 nations in the Middle East and Africa born mostly between the 1950s and 1970s. Earlier studies had shown that terrorists tend to be wealthier and better-educatedthan their countrymen, but Gambetta and Hertog found that engineers, in particular, were three to four times more likely to become violent terrorists than their peers in finance, medicine or the sciences. The next most radicalizing graduate degree, in a distant second, was Islamic Studies.”

Short version: MTB is full of shit. Educated Muslims are also potential terrorists under certain conditions.

Korea does not need them.

(America does not need them either… but, short of genocide, it is a situation to manage and not a problem to be solved)

Where do I put Major Hassan and Kafeel Ahmed? Pretty much where I put Jim Jones, Tony Alamo and Warren Jeffs. I’m sure all three of those men were convinced they were doing The Lord’s Work, at least in their own twisted minds, but no. Not at all.

Should we play this game, CH?

Being from the typical chop suey mess that is ‘an American,” I do have both Navajo and Choctaw blood in my background. Far more than Fauxahontas Lizzy Warren has. So yeah, I’m sure I, or my maternal side grandparents can point to plenty of fatalities traced back to Manifest Destiny and the Christian Expansion into the West. But let’s not, as it’s a rather pointless exercise.

You’re right though. Engineers do tend to be horses’ asses. It’s a mind set that comes from learning all those formulas through hard study, then assuming people should be able to be operated like an amplifier. If the PIER formulas work every time, then people should believe this or that every time. But people don’t follow Ohm’s Law or Newton’s equasions on a regular basis.

Agent K had it right. A person is smart, but people are dumb, panicky animals.

The Muzzies are coming! Boo! Batten down the hatches and keep your powder dry!

Johnhenry,

Here is a video of something that looks very close to a no-go zone.

Short version: A woman in a Muslim enclave in Australia is asked by police not to walk on a public street in a free country near a mosque because her presence may anger the Muslim in the area. She is threatened with possible legal action because her presence (not any violent action by Muslims simply offended at her presence on public land) could be breech of the peace.

Generally, in western society, freedom of movement on public property is considered the default situation… and legal action would only be against those who tried to stop this right.

…except maybe in something that looks a bit like a no-go zone.

I assure you, I’m not a Muslim.

But let’s not play the “intellectual honestly” game, unless you want to go into “Gee, we really sure stirred up some sh*t in the Middle East, and now we have problems with Middle Easterners. How did that happen?” and pretend the two are not connected.

Afghanistan was a textbook example of a Just War. We were attacked, and we retaliated.
Iraq? Libya? Syria? Yemen? Those are a little fuzzier. When you stir up a nest of fire ants, who’s fault is it when you get bit?

MTB, the “Gee, we really sure stirred up some sh*t in the Middle East, and now we have problems with Middle Easterners. How did that happen?” started in the Seventh Century.

Trying to blame it on America is really a form of craven dhimmitude and nowhere near honesty of ANY flavor. And so far below who I thought you were…

September 11, 2001 was chosen because of the near Ottoman victory at the Battle of Vienna, 1683. On September 12, 1683, the Polish Army saved Europe.

There are many more examples from the Religion of Perpetual Outrage. Forgiveness does not exist in Islam; and they hold grudges for centuries.

Some other stats on Islam enriching a nation:

In the book, Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat, written by Dr. Peter Hammond, he explores the topic of the impact that an increasing Muslim population has on that society. The lists below illustrate the Muslim population status of countries around the world, and exactly what changes to the societies can be expected according to Hammond.

The book as well as the author are controversial, but the topic is definitely something that needs to be explored and understood. From the book:

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
United States — Muslim 0.6%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1.8%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs.
This is happening in:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for
Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:
Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and ***ya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

GI, I specifically stated:

“except perhaps at the deepest root of both problems, one can find “tolerance” for things that should not be tolerated”.

You correctly pointed out that politicians tolerate antisocial actions by homeless and Muslims due to fear of being labled intolerant.

But on a higher level, the homeless make parks into no-go zones due to mental illness, addiction, and instant gratification mentality. For the most part, their sphere of influence is small, their actions dangerous only on an individual scale, and there is no malevolent long-term planning.

Muslims make their enclaves into no-go zones by intention and they serve as bases to plot larger spheres of influence… sometimes based on organized violence against groups rather than spontaneous irritation against individuals.

Managing these different problems require very different solutions… as well as recognition that America has an ethical obligation to assist homless/crazy/addicted Americans… and NO obligation to non-Americans…

…but an ethical obligation to protect Americans from violence, restrictions on movement in public places, and the side effects of parallel societies… all of which Islamic enclaves promote.

So “in fairness”, yes, no-go zones are not exclusively an Islamic problem… much in the way a dialated butthole is both a product of pooping and prison rape.

Bringing up one “in fairness” has no relation with the other.

They are very different issues with different high-level solutions and different outcomes… though, again, tolerance for things that a decent society should not tolerate is at the root of both these problems… and many others.

Using “provacative” (sic) instead of “provocative”: https://tinyurl.com/y7fcoql2