Should the USFK Curfew be Lifted?

Here is an editorial in the Korea Times about the USFK curfew issue written by someone named Andrea Plate who describes herself as a clinical social worker. There is a lot to break down in this editorial which I attempt to do:

“We are Ambassadors who represent our country on and off duty,” General Robert Abrams, commander of U.S. Forces Korea (USFK), tweeted over the summer about his decision to continue the curfew suspension for further review of troop behavior and morale, rather than permanently revoke it.

The good general was referring to a sordid news story ― one that was bad for Abrams’ reputation, for the 28,500 American troops stationed on the Korean Peninsula and for the South Korean citizenry. Just five weeks earlier, the 1 a.m. to 5 a.m. curfew had been lifted for a 90-day trial run. 

But then an intoxicated soldier attempted to steal a taxi and assault a Korean police officer. He was tasered, turned over to the U.S. military and charged with assault. Procedurally, everything went as it should have, according to the Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) between the host country and the U.S. military.

Korea Times via a reader tip

As I have always said to expect no crime out of a population of 28,500 people is not realistic. Crime is going to happen especially when you are dealing with a population of young males that statistically get in more trouble than other demographics. What matters is how they are dealt with and USFK handled the case as they should of.

“A majority of our service members do the right thing,” a seemingly defensive Gen. Abrams remarked. But the majority does not rule when it comes to the USFK. Why didn’t Abrams rescind the curfew for good, as the troops had hoped? “To ensure we are making the correct decision,” he demurred. 

Provost Col. Marshall Fivian tried to further explain: The number of violent and disruptive crimes perpetrated by USFK troops had not changed significantly since the curfew had been lifted. Meaning, it hadn’t dropped.

General Abrams in my opinion is just being prudent to gather data before making a final decision one way or another on this issue.

Where there is hysteria, there is history. The curfew was imposed on the USFK, following the 2001 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center. First billed as a “readiness recall, the message was clear: Attention, soldiers! Protect and defend! (plus, the unspoken, implied threat: Quit getting drunk! Leave the locals alone!).

It is not true that there wasn’t a curfew before the 9/11 attacks. There was a curfew in place for the 2nd Infantry Division before 9/11. However, each unit did have a limited number of Warrior Passes that could be given out to high performing soldiers. So there were still soldiers outside the gate passed curfew who had these passes.

No one likes a curfew. The word itself has a tortured etymological history, from Old French (“cuevrefeu” meant “to cover” and “fire”) to Middle English (“a regulation requiring people to extinguish fires at a fixed hour in the evening, or a bell rung at a particular hour”) to today’s troops’ interpretation: “Unfair,” and “Wish I’d been sent to Japan.”

I guess she is not aware that US troops in Japan have their own version of a curfew and troops on Okinawa are routinely hit with even more restrictions after incidents happen.

Nevertheless, the initial curfew held for nine years, was suspended for one, then slapped back a year later in 2011, when news broke that two intoxicated soldiers had committed two high-profile rapes of two very young girls.

The public was enraged, of course. Attacked by their supposed protectors! By comparison, South Korean troops are more disciplined. 

Of course she offers no evidence that ROK military troops commit less crime than USFK personnel. I hope she realizes that ROK military troops commit crimes as well. Once again there is going to be crime that occurs with a large population of personnel. How it is handled is what matters.

One might wonder whether the June announcement that the Combined Forces Command (CFC) would relocate to Camp Humphreys ― a safer 77.4 kilometers from the central city ― might temporarily calm some citizens’ nerves (although some U.S. military personnel have expressed concern regarding USFK military readiness and effectiveness).

In theory with more troops PCSing to Korea with their families instead of on one year unaccompanied tours this should further reduce incidents and is maybe why General Abrams is continuing to gather information before making a final curfew decision.

But the move would not happen overnight. Leave it to the U.S. military and the Department of Defense to come up with a quick interim fix: a four-hour curfew (1 a.m. to 5 a.m.). Leave it to the U.S. federal government to make an already slippery slope more slippery, even slipshod. 

Curfew penalties can lead to verbal warnings at the very least ― if caught, of course. But while “courtesy patrols” ― duos of U.S. military and Korean National Police ― readily roam the streets of hotspot Itaewon, they do far less at less alluring locations. Is that fair to the troops, or to the hard-working businesspersons whose livelihoods depend on thrill-seeking military men?

In my experience I have never seen anyone picked up for a curfew violation by the military police get a simple verbal reprimand. It has always been an Article 15 action.

It was all so confusing! Can Korean-born spouses of American soldiers roam free? (Yes, although there’s no such written rule). Can individual commanders impose unit curfews at will? (Yes, despite the overall rule). Can exceptions be made? Yes, no and it depends on the case. What’s a Rubik’s cube compared to a giant ball of government red tape?

Truth is, American soldiers are unstoppable. They sneak past restrictions by hiding out in cars and bathrooms at 24-hour coffee shops. 

Or, as an exasperated contributor wrote on Rally Point, the American online professional network dubbed “LinkedIn for the military,” some are “compulsive curfew violators,” like the private first class who was demoted for human trafficking but somehow kept his convoy going: “No amount of time spent with the military police deterred him.”

DoD civilian personnel are not subject to the curfew so what does it matter if the spouse is Korean or not? Also I don’t doubt some soldiers hideout after curfew but what evidence does she have this is a widespread practice?

Because you can fight crime, but you can’t fight military culture. Alcohol runs thicker than blood among the troops. Group binges breed feelings of brotherhood, manhood, machismo.

In time, military culture will change ― when more women step up to serve and are promoted; when more military occupation specialties (MOS) are opened to women; when substance abuse and military sexual trauma treatments are integrated into military training. But that will take decades.

The Army’s MOSs are already open to women and US troops receive repeated sexual assault and substance abuse training. Units have to track by name who has attended this training to ensure compliance.

In the meantime, our Armed Forces must remain strong and cannot afford further shrinkage. Fewer opportunities for fun could prompt fewer men to enlist (word gets around). A total 8.3 million served during World War II; roughly 1,055,600 (active duty and reserves) serve today.

During World War II the US military was fighting a global war against multiple enemies that required conscription. There is now no longer a need for such a large military or conscription.

What will happen Dec. 17, when the trial suspension period ends? Will the curfew be permanently levied, or lifted?

We know what the soldiers want. And their families. And the contract workers. And even some officers who take great pride in the troops, for all their human imperfections. 

Maybe General Abrams will lift the curfew in time for Christmas or maybe he won’t. We will see, with that said is anyone else confused on what the overall point of this editorial is because it seems to ramble all over the place?

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Tagum City Tim
Tagum City Tim
5 years ago

This woman, whoever she might think she is, is nothing but a feminist and a liberal lunatic. She thinks that all that is needed to stop the incidents are more women in the military. Somehow, men will magically start to behave if more women are in charge. Yeah, right. You keep thinking that lady!

setnaffa
setnaffa
5 years ago

From the article: “Retired Lieutenant Colonel Amy McGrath served 20 years in the Marines, flew 89 combat missions and dropped bombs on al-Qaida and the Taliban. Now, she’s aiming for a bigger target: the Senate seat of Republican Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, the longest-serving U.S. senator from the state of Kentucky and the longest-serving Republican Senate leader in American history.”

That ignorant sexist fraud, Plate, just hates soldiers and particularly men. She is an absolute soup sandwich. And anyone who votes for her needs their head examined. Her claim to fame is having killed people.

Growing up in California, I went to school with dozens like her. It’s a large part of how I ended up on Texas, a place where people try not to start off hating strangers, even when they’re this full of cow-patties.

And by the way, it’s al Qaeda.

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
5 years ago

Let’s take a look at the lens Andrea Plate sees the world through.

BA from Berkeley in English
MA from USC in Journalism
MSW in social worker from UCLA
Grew up in North Hollywood, California

Let’s look at her job history.

Andrea Plate, a clinical social worker licensed by the state of California, spent 15 years in the trenches of the largest VA compound in America. She was a Senior Social Worker at the West Los Angeles branch of the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs, within the Veterans Health Administration (VHA).

Let’s see what she does now.

Andrea teaches “Gender and the Military” at Loyola Marymount University in Los Angeles, where she is also a writing and editing instructor for its Asia Media International website. 

Draw your own conclusions.

The secret headlines here is that somebody is getting paid to talk about “gender and the military” to people who likely hate the military and roughly 50% of the gender spectrum.

Combined with other witchery this is called, by some, “education”… and it somehow leads to some type of employment and doesn’t remove voting rights.

Flyingsword
Flyingsword
5 years ago

To take a line from Joan Baez…”The curfew had been lifted and the gambling wheel shut down. Anyone with any sense had already left town…”
Lily, Rosemary & The Jack of Hearts

Flyingsword
Flyingsword
5 years ago

Song written by Bob Dylan…BTW.

Smokes
Smokes
5 years ago

I was going to hop on the hate train too when I first read the story but if you read the very end it seems she is in support of lifting it if not the positive message doing would would be:
“A no-curfew vote would be a vote of confidence for all”

Oh and she left a reminder to queue up the `Drop Christmas carol soon:
” ― just in time for Christmas, when not a creature is stirring, not even a mouse …”

Stephen
5 years ago

Fewer opportunities for fun could prompt fewer men [and women] to enlist (word gets around).

We know what the soldiers want. And their families. And the contract workers. And even some officers who take great pride in the troops, for all their human imperfections.

The colonel is saying stop infantilizing GIs. They are adult women and men.

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
5 years ago

“I was going to hop on the hate train too”

That’s why I suggested to draw your own conclusions. She has a lot of stuff clearly going against her… yet I found a few hints that she might be better informed and more reasonable on some issues than her educational choices indicate.

This higher level of complexity requires more research and thought than it might seem at first glance to form an honest opinion if this person needs to be listened to or burned alive in a cage.

setnaffa
setnaffa
5 years ago

CH, she’s running for the US Senate with a track record as shallow as “Beto” O’Rourke’s, without the comedic value. She wrote things that some might call deep or nuanced; but coming from both a California and USAF Aviation background, I see as merely expressing her deep hatred of men in American uniforms, likely a result of her not being selected for crows.

I do not make allowances for people aiming at political offices. They need to show who they really are–and if they pander to CNN/MSNBC audiences, they aren’t fit to also brag about their time in uniform.

The former LtCol should save her money and her pride. She can be the next Blasey-Ford when Trump nominates a replacement for RBG.

Rosko
Rosko
5 years ago

It is called penis envy. It’s a case of mine is bigger than yours, except she is not supposed to have one.

Rosko
Rosko
5 years ago

Setnaffa,
Beto is from the town I live in and he is a big joke. We had a shooting here in August where 22 people were killed. This dude used It kas a political pulpit to spread his warped ideology.

I was a cop her for 20 years and I retired last year. I met this guy when he was a (lame as hell) city councilman. He was want to legalize weed at the local level, problem that is not a local issue. This guy then beat an old irrelevant congressman who was too liberal for his own good. Beto made that guy look like a good conservative!

Beto is a rich boy, who was raised rich, and married the daughter of a billionaire. This boy has never been pricked by the reality of a real job. His mother is a convicted felon for not paying taxes on 5 million dollars!

This guy all of a sudden decided he needed to
start courting veterans by bashing the VA every chance he got. The problem is that this never gave a shit about veterans until he was in Congress, then it was just an act.

Beto is among a big group in this area who want open borders, free education for all, and free medical for all. Just like many liberals, he don’t know that free shit ain’t really free. People who produce will have to pay for it.

I live about a half a mile from that border fence. We used to have illegals running all over the place and stealing anything that was not nailed down. Our house was burglarized twice,
one the times our neighbor caught this guy coming out house and beat the shit out him with a baseball bat. Too bad I wasn’t there I would double tapped his ass with a 45 ACP. After that wall went up we never see illegals anymore.

Most people in our area think that Beto is a joke, but they still vote straight ticket Democrat. They just don’t look at the big picture.

Beto got spanked by Cruz in a US Senate race last year. Now this dude is running for President. This guy just don’t get it. He want to take everybody’s gums, especially AR-15 type weapons. I had the choice to buy or be issued an M-4 Carbine while I was a cop. I chose to buy one. I am no gun but by any means, but I do have my M-4, a Glock 21SF 45 ACP., a Glock 26 9mm, a Colt Model 19 Detective Special, and an off brand 22 revolver that I inherited from my mom. Beto ain’t gonna get any of them and don’t know any cops who would try and take. Beto is a real dumbass.

After 21 years in the Army and 20 years as a cop, I find that people like Beto who just don’t get it.

setnaffa
setnaffa
5 years ago

Rosko, I like the cut of your jib; but we will be replaced by youngsters who aren’t being taught the Constitution, have no idea there are things called The Federalist Papers that describe what the founders were thinking, and probably think Lincoln was a Democrat.

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