ROK Drop Open Thread – May 22, 2021

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tagumcitytim
3 years ago

Now that Biden’s mask mandate is crumbling, the next control measure will be cards that you have to carry around to prove you’ve had both jabs. Can someone say “Show me your papers?”

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
3 years ago

Why should you have to prove anything?

Obviously, those requesting proof are vaccinated… so your vaccination status has no affect on them. Why do they care?

…unless…

Perhaps a lot of the rich and powerful who know what is really going on have faked their vaccination.

Looking at you, Bill Maher.

Mcgeehee
Mcgeehee
3 years ago

COVID Prison. Wife travelled down to Kunsan to visit her elderly mother who is in a nursing home (she could no longer be cared for at home due to her advancing dementia; a series of kitchen “accidents” sealed that deal a year ago).

1) Had to make a visit “reservation” three days in advance.
2) Visits are limited to 30 mins.
3) But here was the kicker: Mother had to sit 2 meters behind a plexiglass wall.
4) She’s not allowed to move, stand up, or scoot her chair closer, or the visit is immediately aborted, no questions asked.
5) My wife could only sit on the other side of the plexiglass and LOOK at her, basically, like a zoo animal.

Try to have a conversation with both parties wearing masks (one party is 87) = mission impossible. No touching, hugging, hand holding, typical Korean pats on the back, nothing — 2 meters away with plexiglass in between.

Her mother basically sat in a chair with her head down staring at the floor the whole time. My wife suspects she was “medicated”. Cuckoo’s Nest.

Korean Man
3 years ago

Mcgeehee, those steps are necessary to prevent a deadly infection that would decimate that entire nursing home.

That is why the Korean president went to America hat in hand, along with a box of $45 billion investment promises in computer chip factories and electric car batteries – two things the US badly wants to make on their soil. All he wanted in return was an assurance that those Pfizer and Moderna vaccines that South Korea ordered and is willing to pay for, to be shipped on time – so that people like your mother in law could once again see and touch their loved ones without being behind a plexiglass.

But what did the US president give him in return? Crab cakes, a muttering of a thank you, and an elimination of restrictions on South Korea’s missile defence program – all of which cost the US nothing. Not only South Korea didn’t get any vaccines, it handed over millions of South Korean jobs to the US – added hundreds of billions to the US economy as long as those semiconductor and battery factories continue to generate revenue for the US economy. Those jobs and those GDP numbers should have been added to the Korean economy – they should have been made in Korea, sold to the US who would use what they bought to make cars and jets and missiles.

South Korea badly needs a president that will stand up for South Korea.

liz
liz
3 years ago

Went to a promotion ceremony yesterday at a military installation (inside the club) and didn’t have to wear a mask. All the children were (since there isn’t a children’s vaccine out), but the adults weren’t.
It was very nice.

Mcgeehee
Mcgeehee
3 years ago

From Mercola.com (w/ a bonus clip from Tucker Carlson)

– Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in 2019

– Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day

– In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed more people than all available vaccines combined from mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years

– As of April 23, 2021, VAERS had also received 12,618 reports of serious adverse events. In total, 118,902 adverse event reports had been filed

– In the European Union, the EudraVigilance system had as of April 17, 2021, received 330,218 injury reports after vaccination with one of the four available COVID vaccines, including 7,766 deaths

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/05/22/tucker-carlson-covid-vaccine-deaths.aspx?ui=186bca85e1941864018ea8e11cce934876e46364c22332ab3711b892652ce478&sd=20110603&cid_source=prnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20210522&mid=DM891108&rid=1163926845

setnaffa
setnaffa
3 years ago

This is why we hate communism. Even when it’s junk science propped up by supposedly democratic thugs.

liz
liz
3 years ago

I’m not an advocate for getting the covid vaccine (with the exception of people in high risk categories, there are some people the cost to gains equation favors vaccination). But I do like not having to wear a mask because it is available.
(might actually be due to the terrible employment and/or inflation data release but whatever the case, I am glad to feel the air on my face, unmuzzled, again)

liz
liz
3 years ago

My spouse got covid from an asymptomatic carrier (he was slightly ill for about two days). He knows exactly where he got it because the person tested positive and then he was notified, it was a closed environment and about five other people who were there also got covid. Now the new story is that some people get covid but are asymptomatic so it doesn’t matter because they don’t shed virus….pretty sure they don’t know this. But whatever.

liz
liz
3 years ago

Sorry, should have read through before posting…
the new story is that vaccinated individuals might test positive but don’t shed virus.
FWIW, in the location my spouse and several others got covid they were all wearing mandatory masks.

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
3 years ago

” in the location my spouse and several others got covid they were all wearing mandatory masks.”

But they weren’t wearing TWO masks.

Was it the mutant strain, the double mutant strain, or they octalmutant multistrain?

Korean Man
3 years ago

US attempt to decouple China-S. Korea tech cooperation is doomed to fail: experts

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202105/1224166.shtml

US prepares a trap for South Korea in White House summit: Global Times editorial

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202105/1224133.shtml

Wording in joint statement the greatest degree of consensus Washington, Seoul can reach on Taiwan-related issues: observers

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202105/1224161.shtml

setnaffa
setnaffa
3 years ago

In Dallas County, Texas, 842,000 are reported to have been fully vaccinated (i.e., two shots plus two weeks). 500 of them contracted COVID-19. 30 of those had to be hospitalized. 8 of those have died.

Now, I don’t know any more details than that; but it sounds like the vaccine is not much protection.

I am not in favor of people injecting me with anything, especially stuff that doesn’t improve my odds of staying healthy.

But whether I get the vaccine or not will be up to my cancer doctors, not some unelected pencil-pushing, wannabee fuhrer.

tagumcitytim
Reply to  setnaffa
3 years ago

Liz brings up a salient point on this whole issue of getting the jab. It does not rid the body of the virus. It only masks it for a certain amount of time so a person can test negative for a period of time after getting it. As Liz noted, the body doesn’t shed the virus after getting the jabs. It only goes dormant for a period of time.

(It’s an mRNA cocktail not a vaccine). The media has so indoctrinated the public that everyone is calling these shots “vaccines.” It’s a biologically engineered virus made in Wuhan, China as a form of biological warfare against the world so China can sneak up during the economic downturn and try to slip in unnoticed into the most power economy in the world.

Oh, one last thing before I step down off my soapbox, the whole mask mandate thing was a ploy to extend the virility of the virus. People who were asymptomatic and wore masks re-inhaled the virus and thereby kept it growing within their bodies. Look at the number of cases in states that have done away with masks and this will become oh so obvious. Masks off, cases plummet.

johnhenry
johnhenry
3 years ago

Wow. That’s some serious conspiracy theory nonsense, TGC.

tagumcitytim
Reply to  johnhenry
3 years ago

JH – It’s only a theory until the facts are uncovered. If you’re naïve enough to believe everything the government or the media tells you, you deserve what you get. I live by the Cold War motto, “Trust, but verify.”

OleTanker
3 years ago

Masks are worthless because most people have worthless masks and use them worthlessly to prove they are worthless. Everyone here gets a A+. You have all proved your point. It don’t hurt me a bit to put on my mask everyday, what’s your problem? Your Daddy should have used a condomint.

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
3 years ago

When the people (in the know) who tell me to fear corona start acting (in private) like they fear corona, I will fear corona.

Until then, everything points to the probability that fear of corona is a mental illness.

You can be as mentally ill as you want…

…but pushing your dysfunction off on me, and demanding I join you in it, is where the ridicule starts.

Wear all the masks and get all the vaccines you want. Eat cow dung, roll chicken bones, make the sign of the evil eye… whatever. But keep the crazy to yourself.

In fact, hurry and get the vaccine so opinions and decisions of other can have any affect on you…

…then shut the fùck up about it and go quietly be morally superior in your own mind somewhere else.

OleTanker
3 years ago

Then go be morally unsuperior and mentally superior in your own dream world. Can’t stop stupid.

setnaffa
setnaffa
3 years ago

“Can’t sttip stupis.”

Tanker, that’s because Americans keep reelecting the same wannabee fuhrers.

Mcgeehee
Mcgeehee
3 years ago

There are Joe Smith following Mormons who truly believe dinosaurs went extinct only 600 years ago. Can’t convince them otherwise. It’s a religion, a passion. All the scientific and physical evidence in the world will not change their minds. They will go to their graves believing T-Rex lived alongside Christopher Columbus.

It’s kind of like that. And they all voted for Biden.

Polls show 85% of the population wants to be ruled, wants to be told what to do, wants to be enslaved. I can’t change your mind. Wear your mask, get your vaccine, and do what the man on TV tells you to do.

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
3 years ago

Hmmm… my comment wasn’t targeted at YeOleTanker… a seemingly decent enough guy (though currently a bit misguided)… but I can see how it (unintentionally) fits.

So let’s rephrase this all in a more gentle way for his consumption.

In my demographic, my chance of dying of covid is somewhere between choking on food and being hit by a car crossing the street. That doesn’t include the low odds of actually catching covid.

My chance of having an adverse reaction to the vaccine is actually higher than catching covid and dying from it.

That is what the calculator says and I don’t argue with math and its thousands of years of successful predictive ability.

So this appears to be a relatively easy cost/benefit decision to make. It seems an easy decision for anybody with the same risk profile. And anyone scolding me to make the wrong decision can easily be ignored and ridiculed.

Let’s talk about the vaccine.

It is now available so there no longer needs to be a discussion. If someone in a high-risk demographic where the statistics make sense wants the vaccine, they can get it and leave the discussion. If someone in a low risk demographic has been sold on the existential threat of covid through clever manipulation of their mental illness, they also can get it an leave the discussion.

Those who choose not to get it have no need to discuss it.

So everybody happily gets what they want and have no effect on anyone else.

The problem happens when that isn’t enough.

When one group demands the other group, with no benefit to themselves, change their behavior only to have some sort of needless control is when the conflict begins.

After the vaccine, it doesn’t matter if a single other person is vaccinated or wears a mask or licks lugies out of the hospital smoking room ash tray. So why be a dìck and hassle others for their decision that has no effect on you? In a real-world microscale, this is how busybody scolds get a fat lip.

On the flip side, I WANT those in a high-risk demographic to lower their risk… which the vaccine seems to do a statistical rate higher than its risks.

And for those with a mental illness who need a security blanket… hey… get the jab if it makes you feel better.

At best, you will be happy, actually reduce a negligible risk even further, and reduce my negligible risk even further as a kind side-effect.

At worst, thank you for your contribution in advancing the understanding of DNA modification to control immune system responses. Your sacrifice really helped us consider more viable alternative pathways.

But whatever you choose and whatever happens, don’t try to push your decisions off onto others… especially if you do it through demands, contrived virtue, false moral superiority, scolding, bìtching, whining, etc.

If you can, try a rational science and numbers approach. If you can’t, let it go and be quietly smug that you are a proud part of the largest medical experiment in human history.

johnhenry
johnhenry
3 years ago

@Mcgeehee Latter-day Saints aren’t literalist fundamentalists. That church doesn’t adhere to YEC.

Mcgeehee
Mcgeehee
3 years ago

ref “the new story is that vaccinated individuals might test positive but don’t shed virus.”

You are technically correct about the virus, but gene therapy (aka: vaccine) recipients in fact do shed the spike protein. The mRNA gene therapy doesn’t contain or produce the whole virus, only the synthetic spike protein — and it does shed.

@johnhenry ref “That’s some serious conspiracy theory nonsense,”

See Pfizer’s own SEC filing; their mRNA product is referred to as gene therapy. Never once does Pfizer call it a vaccine.

Too many people have let news organizations define medical policy.

tagumcitytim
3 years ago

McGeehee – Since this jab is not a vaccine, why aren’t lawyers for the families who had loved ones die not preparing a massive class action suit against Pfizer, Moderna, and all of the other companies making this gene therapy? Only vaccines are protected from lawsuits not other drugs or therapies.

liz
liz
3 years ago

Heh, Mcgeehee, I was thinking of people who first take the jab, then get the virus later. We’re told that even if they get the virus post-jab, their symptoms will be ameliorated or non-existent. If this is true (presumably) they can still be carriers and not know it. We shut down everything and have worn masks for this reason in the first place. Schools were worried about the asymptomatic (or only mildly symptomatic) young people becoming “super spreaders” via this mechanism.

liz
liz
3 years ago

Heh, OT this kind of reminds me of your avatar.
🙂

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Side note: I don’t like wearing masks for the same reason I don’t like wearing burkas.
Had to drop my gym membership because running in the thing feels like being waterboarded.

liz
liz
3 years ago

Here is a link to death statistics over the course of many years in Sweden.
https://hectordrummond.com/2021/02/01/swedens-figures-do-show-that-lockdowns-are-a-crime/

Do you see those really big spikes? That’s what major pandemics look like. For example, it is easy to spot the Spanish Flu.

OleTanker
3 years ago

I enjoy generating debate, which is actually not present her. Think about that. liz, my mem actually comes from when I worked in Korea, my co-workers, I had a name for all the dogs around the table, funny enough they all had the same general appearance. the Bulldog was not me, none of them were me.

TOK
TOK
3 years ago

Is it me or did our dear friend Korean Man make a hard turn to the right?

Korean Man
3 years ago

TOK, now that the America’s ridiculous 180 km missile restrictions on South Korea has been completely lifted, you will shortly see the unveiling of the new Hyunmoo 5 intercontinental missile that can fly 15,000 KM fired from a SLMB sub. No country will be able to threaten South Korea without being threatened themselves. And weren’t you scoffing few weeks ago, at the talk that South Korea will be making vaccines for the US companies? For all the jobs that South Korea just transferred to the US, these are the least the US could do for South Korea.

setnaffa
setnaffa
3 years ago

Beijing Boy fails to recognize the economy is not a zero-sum gain. How quaint.

Korean Man
3 years ago

John Bolton’s opinion piece on WSJ, criticizing South Korea for not getting with the US plan to protect America’s hegemony by joining the Quad – and thereby stopping China’s hegemony.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/no-news-is-bad-news-when-the-u-s-and-south-korea-meet-11621804851

Again I ask, what has this Quad done so far other than marauding around the Pacific with nice looking naval ships? If the US want the world to join the Quad, then they should lead by example. The US should stop trading with China, put blockades against China’s goods, and let their own economy disengage from China’s economy first, before demanding other countries such as South Korea from disengaging with China. Why isn’t the US leading by example? Come on, show us what you can do, instead of expecting others to take the hit for you.

setnaffa
setnaffa
3 years ago
TOK
TOK
3 years ago

Korean Man is veering to the right and then to the left. If he was driving a car, I believe it would be called DUI.

setnaffa
setnaffa
3 years ago

Now they’re in the White House… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dw-4eCo0o8

setnaffa
setnaffa
3 years ago

Star Trek had Christians? Yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTwKRpk02_8

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