Picture of the Day: Trucker Strike Impacting Korean Gas Stations
A sign informing customers that gas is sold out is attached at a gas station in Seoul on Dec. 4, 2022, as the strike by truckers in South Korea has caused disruptions in the supply. (Yonhap)
Everyone can just jump in their EVs now. Everyone has one of those now don’t they?
Speaking of EVs, does South Korea have the electrical generation capability to support replacing 20+ million internal combustion vehicles?
What thought has been put into recycling the millions of large, dangerous, lithium batteries?
Will every apartment parking garage have enough equipment to charge the tenants’ EVs?
Hahaha!
Setnaffa thinks the plan is for society to do what they are doing now but driving around in EVs instead of gas cars.
This doesn’t make sense because the electric grid barely works if everyone wants to use their air conditioners at the same time.
What he doesn’t know is the real goal is to have the rich driving around in EVs while all you little people ride the bus.
Now it all makes sense.
Ha, CH thinks the prols will be allowed to ride a bus, how cute.
Oh yeah… and because European energy policy has been so amazing, buying Russian gas from Turkey instead of Russia at an amzing new price, Switzerland will now be restricting the use of electric cars.
Also, factories across Europe are shutting down to energy costs making production unprofitable.
America and Russia make a great team to destroy the EU.
…but the traitorous EU politicians deserve recognition as well.
Anybody want to predict how the Dutch government’s farming policies are going to work out?
What’s the Dutch word for holodomor again?
Hahaha!
Flyingsword thinks there is some better way than busses to transport the little people to the camps.
does South Korea have the electrical generation capability to support replacing 20+ million internal combustion vehicles?
Well well well
Another form of condescending and looking down on Korea by our supposed “Korea lover” setnaffa.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this is a form of lashing out at Korea by setnaffa for his Korean wife leaving him.
Korea Person…
I’m not sure how to tell you this… but… this problem isn’t Korea.
It is the world.
But if you are a serious person, you can pull out your calculator, calculate the kilowatt-hours needed for daily transportation needs, compare that to the current and projected electrical generation capacity, and school us on how electric cars are going to save the planet by disposing of all that coal.
Yes? Hello?
C’mon now, CH… You now chinabots ain’t got no math… They don’t need to show you no steenkin’ rayciss math… They live moment to moment on the thoughts of Chairman Xi. And unicorn farts.
South Korea’s electric generation capacity is about 570,000GWh.
Depends on the model but a larger electric cars such as sedans and SUVs typically have a battery capacity of aroung 100 KWh
There are a lot of variables because some people might not use their electric cars that heavily meaning there will be a longer period between recharges while some people who use their heavily might require regular recharges.
But for the sake of simplicity let’s say 20 million electric car owners had their batteries run dry and decide to fully charge their cars all at once. This is taking out other variables and assumptions.
That means about 2GWh will be required.
Which is about 0.0000000000003% of Korea’s electric generation capacity.
Thank you TOK.
For proving the condescending and ignorant nature of setnaffa and his sidekick sockpuppet Chickenhead.
Akchully electrical cars are measured in jiggawatts! Great Scott!
But seriously…
Your electricitical numbers are off by… uh… 1… 2… 3 zeros.
100kwh = 100,000 (kilo)
Times 20,000,000 (mega)
Equals 2,000,000,000,000 (Terra)(not the beer)
Equals 2 terrawatt-hours rather than 2 Gwh to charge everyone’s battery.
So how does that compare to 570 terrawatt-hours of annual production? (Which is the highest number you could find).
You are right. That looks like nothing… just a .35% increase in electricity use. That’s only about 25% of a Korean nuclear reactor output.
But wait… your time is off too… by a factor of… (consults calander)… 365. That was ANNUAL production… not daily production.
In your scenario, everybody charges their cars to max when they get home from work at 7pm and it consumes 2 Twh… every day.
2Twh x 365 days = …oh dear… 730Twh… or about 128% of Korea’s entire electrical generation capacity.
If people only charge their cars a little bit and don’t drive on the weekends, you can still see where this is going.
Koreas’s biggest nuclear reactor only puts out (in theory at 100%) 52Twh per year.
You should have known this intuitively if you consider the massive fuel consumption for cars is simply transferred to fuel consumption for electricity generation… electric cars aren’t THAT efficient… and a horsepower is .746 watts… and a 125cc motorcycle is 8hp and a tesla is more than 1000hp.
I am a big fan of hybrid and electrical cars. I WANT them to succeed. But I cannot argue with the calculator.
I would take this all a lot more seriously if “We are going to replace your gas car with an electric one (so you can pick up more bugs to eat in your pod)” was coupled with “We are going to build 14 more nuclear reactors so your lifestyle is not affected.”
But we have people making policy that don’t know how to use a calculator, glam scientists who rationalize whatever the political agenda is, and all their tools and stooges who repeat whatever they are told without even a tiny bit of thinking.
But don’t believe my explanation. Belive your lying eyes.
California has rolling blackouts.
Switzerland is banning electric cars.
Korea frets over exceeding capacity every time too many people use their air conditioners.
Protip: Everything the ruling elite are pushing on you is bullshit and most of it can easily be disproven with a bit of thinking and perhaps a calculator.
Actually Chicken Head, I made the mistake intentionally so I could bait you in.
And if my understanding is correct Kwh/GWh is a unit of electricity.
Which means per year South Korea produces 570 trillion units of electricity.
Now I don’t think every electric car will charge their full battery at the same time, and if you want a more realistic scenario with all the variables you will need a supercomputer.
But anyways each car will require 100kwh for their batteries.
Korean electricity consumption per capita is around 9,800 Kwh.
With production the available per capita is around 11,400 Kwh.
So per capita there is a 1.600 Kwh reserve.
Which means per capita a person can recharge their electric car 16 times per year.
But the number made up by setnaffa says only 20 million which is half the population.
So since half that number will need electricity for recharging, there will be much more left.
And you have take in account there are already 300,000 electric cars in Korea.
Which means the electric consumption takes into account the recharging of the above.
So it needs to be calculated to take into account 19.7 million.
But still there is a 1,600 Kwh need only cover 19 million electric cars.
Koreans drive average 43 km per day.
Which means on one average charge they can drive for seven days.
But we know some people won’t drive for seven straight days.
And we know people won’t wait for their batteries to be empty to recharge.
They will recharge in small amounts in different times.
And there’s still the per capita 1,600 Kwh reserve.
So do you see a apocalyptic situation here?
Knowing you you will.
But for me I see the Korean electric grid system able to handle things.
There is also the added benefit of South Korea lessening its dependence on imported oil.
And you might say, what about the powerplants? Don’t they use oil?
Well, fuel for Korean powerplants in terms of conventional fuelare mostly coal, uranium, and natural gas.
With a sprinking of renewables.
So unless you are a supporter of Saudi Arabia and Russia, which depends on countries to import their oil, why do you insist that Korea keep on importing oil?
Setnaffa and Chicken Head are full of s***.
You made no mistake intentionally.
If you start a conversation by lying, it sets a poor foundation for any discussion.
I made a mistake… unintentionally.
I wrote one horsepower is .746 watts when I meant kilowatts. I have no shame in admitting that I can misplace orders of magnitude just as well as anyone else… which is why I don’t do a lot of math… preferring to design a concept and send that out to the math geeks.
(Some years ago, I had a complex geometry problem with too many variables. Intuitively, I knew it could be solved… but… no idea.
Korean middle school student to the rescue!
Anyhoooooo…
Tesla uses 16kwh to go 100km. Other cars are similar. Larger vehicles use more.
The Korean government says Korean vehicles travel 43.9km/day… but heavier stuff like vans (62.2km) and trucks (51.5km) travel more… and will use more electricity than a car to go the same distance.
So Korean cars would conservatively use about 7kwh/day in electricity… more depending on the ration of cars to larger vehicles.
7kwh x 24,000,000 (padding it with actual numbers instead of rounding down)…
…comes to…
168,000,000 kwh per day if all the cars in existence now became electric and nobody changed their driving habits.
168,000,000,000 watt-hours
168,000,000 kilowatt-hours
168,000 megawatt-hours
168 gigawatt-hours
.168 terawatt-hours
That’s a lot less than everyone charging their batteries at the same time. I like these real numbers better. Let’s see if we can work with them.
A Korean reactor core puts out about a megawatt… or 24 megawatt-hours per day running 100%. They run closer to 90%… so a bit less than 23 megawatt-hours.
So it looks like 7 or 8 reactor cores would cover it. That is not an unreasonable number… unless you are Europe.
Let’s see what Korea’s plans are.
It says here, Korea is planning to build 24 reactor cores by 2036… giving just under 24 gigawatts output, at 24 hours per day, 576 gigawatt-hours per day.
Let’s see how that compares to our needs.
We need 168 gigawatt-hours per day. We get 576 gigawatt-hours per day.
Hey! Those numbers check out… probably even if everyone drives a truck and with all the inefficiencies in the system that nobody likes to talk about.
So what have we learned?
We can guess everybody isn’t really going to charge their batteries all at the same time. What was I thinking to entertain that?
We know how much power an electric car uses per distance.
We know how far Koreans drive per day, a lower number than expected.
We know how much new capacity it will take to power this.
And we know Korea (under Yoon but not Moon) has an actual plan to manage this… and there is enough faith in Korea’s cleverness on such things that it will be accomplished.
You were right and I was wrong, TOK! It looks like a bright future for Koreans and electric cars!
The situation is still unclear for much of the rest of the world where the numbers still don’t add up.
A couple of rhetorical questions:
What percent of electricity generated in Korea is from coal?
Will this increase or decrease?
How many South Korran nuclear cores are within range of norkistani missiles?
Will the norkistanis use nuclear blackmail?
Will the RoK Army, Navy, and Air Force swap out fossil fueled engines for EVs (tanks, ships, and aircraft)?
From the so called rhetorical questions, it seems that the cat has gotten setnaffa’s tongue and thus he has nothing to rebutt my claims.
If you start a conversation by lying, it sets a poor foundation for any discussion.
That is rich coming from someone who lies everyday to advance his points of argument.
As I already said.
Setnaffa and Chickenhead are full of s**t.
I’m not your mommy, TOK. You have to live with whatever you do to South Korea.
But I’ve been in Seoul in the summertime and had the government tell even chaebols to turn down/off A/C in their office buildings.
The idea that replacing gasoline for coal to power autos is ridiculous. You’ll end up just like your Norkistani cousins, begging for a handful of millet from the local commissar with no where else to turn.
Of course you are not my mommy.
So mind your own business.
Anyways, since people are interested in what Korea uses to generate its electricity;
Portion of renewables in Korea’s power generation tops 20% for 1st time (koreaherald.com)
So as can be seen, despite setnaffa’s obsession with coal, LNG makes up the biggest share of the power generation source. And renewables 20 percent.
The LNGs are used to power gas turbines, for those who are curious.
Put it in a bigger picture, LNGs and renewables provide half of the source for power generation in Korea.
Obviously coal as a power source is on the way out, here in Korea.
South Korea retires two oldest coal-fired power plants, to replace with LNG | S&P Global Commodity Insights (spglobal.com)
I have heard of repaving roads; but never re-butting strawmen. I assume leftists always need an audience, so I’ll oblige.
I am minding my business: you invited me. But if you’re too invested in foolish rhetoric, it either means you’re not in Korea or you’re a lemming. Probably both.
The fact is that Nuke plants are the only viable option for the RoK — and the Korean Left will not allow them to be built in the quantity required.
Also, they’ll be targeted by Nork missiles. And Nork-leaning journalists will continue to repeat irrelevant stories of Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, and Fukushima.
LPG power plants are also based on a “fossil fuel” that the leftists will demand shut down. Only wind and solar will be accepted.
I foresee cold winters and dead babies and seniors in the leftist norkhole that is in Korea’s future. And then they’ll rebuild coal plants because those are the fastest to get online. And the end will be worse than the beginning.
Unless they wake up. But I don’t anticipate that in a country where people try to call President Yoon a “conservative.”
All my government workers friends are complaining because heating must be kept at 17⁰C this winter.
And no electric blankets or heating pads.
It’s torture when sitting at a desk for 9 hours.
I smuggled a heating blanket through security for one poor girl after being told they check everything at security, especially for heating blankets, and there was no way I could get it through.
I’m kinda in the middle between keeping my method secret and bragging about the brilliant human engineering.
Anyway, if Korea is willing and able, socially and politically, to build new reactors, it looks like it can have an electric car future.
This means it has to build 7 or 8 to charge cars, more to replace the coal plants, and a few more to ensure everyone can run their heaters and air conditioners.
TOK is right. The numbers are possible and Korea seems to have a workable plan.
If Korea will keep nationalists in power, this will very likely happen. If Korea allows more globalist coups, such as was done with Park and really wants to be done with Yoon, probably not.
Relying on foreign coal and LNG is not good policy. As the world polarizes politically and economically, Korea wil be faced with a choice of buying Russian LNG or being cold.
Much of the rest of the world has the desire but not the plan. Europe is not even sure they can run space heaters this winter.
Let’s see what happens.
Well, you’re rebutting all my comments, which means to you I’m not a “strawman”.
I certainly didn’t invite you. I was having a lively discussion with ChickenHead then you popped in. Which means you invited yourself and weren’t minding your own buisness.
You do know you are contradicting yourself.
Well, the Korean Left ain’t in power and the last time I heard, it is full power ahead for nuke plants under Yoon. Or have you forgotten that?
So, is the rest of Korea.
You are saying that nuke plants are the viable option then on the hand saying that Korea shouldn’t build them because of the threat of NK missiles.
Again you are contradicting yourself.
LNG not LPG. Know your gas.
Yes LNG is a “fossil fuel”, but it doesn’t get that much attention.
The reason being is that it is considered a “cleaner” fossil fuel which is widely used for power generation, cooking, heating, and buses.
Yes buses.
You see before the advent of EV and fuel cell buses, local Korean municipalities bourght a large number of CNG(Compressed Natural Gas) buses to replace diesel buses in an attempt to reduce pollution.
And they had some success in that Seoul sees less smog compared to the late 90s and early 2000s.
LNG has been in Korea for decades and no one has made an issue of it.
As for where Korea gets its LNG, Korea has done a good job diversifying its supplier base and thus gets them from Qatar, Australia, Indonesia, Malaysia, the United States, and Russia.
They are also locked into long term contracts making them somewhat immune to sudden price increases.
Russia only takes up 6% of the total import.
And if Yoon has his way, Korea will probably be reducing its dependency on LNG and coal for power generation.
Oh please.
You are reaching here.
And it seems you are all for more coal, like a good old fashioned American right-winger.
What is it with American right wingers and coal?
You also do know that coal power plants are also being targeted by NK missiles.
And I’m going to burst your bubble and say that LNG powered power plants are much more easier to design and cheaper and faster to build and cheaper to operate than coal fired power plants.
The main components that influence that are one the boilers which are custom designed and a headache to assemble on site in addition to having a smaller supplier base compared to gas turbines.
The other major equipment are the coal handling equipment which themselves are very expensive and help increase the overall cost of building and operating a coal powerplant.
And you also have to add equipment to take all the NOX/SOX out which adds to the cost.
Coal power plants also need a lot more land to store all that coal compared to LNG powerplants.
So know your powerplant.
We’ll all see how successful South Korea is. I am hoping very successful, as my in-laws are still there; but after watching how poorly Covid has been addressed, I fear for them.
The word is rebut, not rebutt, which appears to mean reapplying a posterior, so perhaps the one with no sense of humor can buy himself a better spell-checker?
North Korea has plenty of coal to sell, and Korean leftists seem to aim for that rather than nuclear.
But South Korea, at least publicly, wants to be energy-dependent, :
https://www.trade.gov/market-intelligence/korea-energy-market-lng
Where does the LNG come from? Well, not South Korea. Hopefully TOK and CH are right and Korea will be led by people who don’t want the RoK to be a client state of China, USA, Russia, or any place else.
People who nitpick spellings are usually people who have nothing in their brains so they resort to pointing out obvious mistakes like spelling mistakes.
Interesingly setnaffa linked a report from March 2020, when Moon was still in power, and at that time the main policy involved moving away from nuclear and coal to LNG and renewables.
The guy hates Moon but uses Moon to advance his argument?
He contradicts himself again.
Anyways, here’s the latest
https://www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/en/market-insights/latest-news/energy-transition/070522-south-korean-president-unveils-energy-plan-focused-on-cutting-fossil-fuel-reliance
But even with those plans, renewable will come in second and coal will go out.
https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2022/08/30/business/economy/renewable-nuclear-cabon-neutality/20220830175606333.html
The word is rebut, not rebutt
I see that setnaffa is making fun of TOK’s English skills, as any self-respecting Southern White would do.
It is obvious that setnaffa looks down on TOK, considers him an inferior race and probably does not like that he has been humiliated and had his head handed back to him on a platter by TOK.
Whites do not like to go through that kind of treatment by a colored person especially an Asian.
So, he’s lashing out with whatever he has, which is basically nothing with the exception of the I’m White so I’m superior in English mentality, as would a humiliated Southern white would do.
Observation:
Like a USFK quonset hut, it is cheaper to “extend the life” of a coal powerplant than build a reactor.
Depending on coal price & availability, alliances in a multipolar world, the strength of the anti-Korean globalist/fake green movement, needs based on economy and industry, and many other factors, it will be interesting to see if Korea actually builds 24 new cores.
As we have seen, the difference between flying cars and sitting in the dark when you want to run the AC is just a 5 year presidential election cycle away from each other.
Less, if there is a coup.
it is cheaper to “extend the life” of a coal powerplant than build a reactor.
It is interesting to note that our homeland, Korea, imports 62% of coal from Korea,
It is a good time for Korea to divest itself from coal in light of its negative effects and the current world situation.
But we have two Setnaffarians calling for Korea to increase its reliance on coal.
Why is that I ask?
Ah yes, the American right, especially Trump believing Setnaffarians are pro-Russia.
So it would make sense for setnaffa and Chicken Head to call for Korea to increase its dependence on coal and bind Korea more to Russia.
“it is cheaper to “extend the life” of a coal powerplant than build a reactor.”
It is a statement of fact. There is no recommendation. My personal choice is more nuclear… but well-thought out and safe.
“It is interesting to note that our homeland, Korea, imports 62% of coal from Korea,”
No idea what that means. The internet is clear about where Korea gets its coal.
“It is a good time for Korea to divest itself from coal in light of its negative effects and the current world situation.”
Maybe. China is building a lot of coal powerplants. “Green” only works if everyone does it. Otherwise you have China driving coal powered cars to their jobs while Europeans sit home in the dark and look out the window at idle factories as their savings accounts drain to HSBC.
Korea will enjoy Chinese coal smoke.
“But we have two Setnaffarians calling for Korea to increase its reliance on coal.”
My observation is not a call.
“Ah yes, the American right, especially Trump believing Setnaffarians are pro-Russia.”
After evaluating the situation, I am pro-Russia. But probably all I needed to know was that the pro-Ukranians have lied about everything from covid to inflation. They are probably my enemy. Russia has done nothing to me.
“So it would make sense for setnaffa and Chicken Head to call for Korea to increase its dependence on coal and bind Korea more to Russia.”
I am not calling for Korea to increase dependence on coal or bind itself to any country.
My concern is only that Korea get the most energy at the cheapest price while keeping longer-term security and economics in mind.
If Russian coal is the current best answer… well… fire up the burners, comrade.