ROK Drop Open Thread – July 12, 2024

Is South Korea discriminating against Korean Americans in cafes, restaurants, and stores? This is the first time I heard about this.

When I lived in South Korea from 2007–2008, it almost felt like a second home. I’m not sure I can say that about the country anymore as it continues to grow into a tourist destination.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/visit-south-korea-as-korean-american_n_668c306ae4b09003289b462f

While I do agree that Huff Post article does seem to sound whiny, I just want to point out that what’s above me, is what an angry right-wing Trumpean sounds like.

This picture is almost too good to be true.

Here is another pix to study.

Standard Russian False Flag operation.

The FSB will do anything and everything to get the Moscow Candidate back in the White House.

Moscow Murdoch will spin it in favor of Trump.

As the old saying goes: There’s no news in Pravda, there’s no truth in Izvestia … and there’s neither truth nor news in Murdoch Fox News.

Biden was doing so well the Russians were desperate, Stephen.
They couldn’t wait for him to wipe the debate floor with Trump again.
They sent in their best..
“Miss his head by a fraction of an inch, just go through the ear. Then kill some random person in the crowd, injure another, and die!”
Standard. As you say.

Well played Liz.

Plenty of empty space between Trump’s ears.

“Miss his brain by a fraction of an inch, just go through the ear …”

But all jokes aside, this was a poor show by the Secret Service. Plenty of bystanders had alerted the police and secret service of the gunman on the roof before he fired any shots.

It’s Occam’s Razor: (Incompetent) nutjob with a gun is the simplest and likeliest explanation.

If it was Dallas, Trump would be a goner.

The Secret Service are incompetent. More Nic Cage than Clint Eastwood.

CH, to satisfy your desire for references this is from Quote Investigator.

The prominent Scottish philosopher David Hume penned an essay on “The Natural History of Religion” in 1757. He observed that people were too eager to improperly ascribe both malice and goodwill to natural objects and phenomena:

There is an universal tendency amongst mankind to conceive all beings like themselves, and to transfer to every object those qualities, with which they are familiarly acquainted, and of which they are intimately conscious. We find human faces in the moon, armies in the clouds; and by a natural propensity, if not corrected by experience and reflection, ascribe malice and good-will to every thing, that hurts or pleases us. Hence the frequency and beauty of the prosopopoeia in poetry, where trees, mountains and streams are personified, and the inanimate parts of nature acquire sentiment and passion.

A “source familiar with Trump’s security detail” previously told The Federalist that Trump’s “detail has been asking for beefed up protection and resources for weeks, but has been rebuffed time and again by Biden’s DHS.”

https://thefederalist.com/2024/07/13/democrats-started-trying-to-strip-trumps-secret-service-protection-just-months-before-shooting/

This story gets more interesting at every news cycle.

No spin yet, as the facts aren’t in.¹

I kinda feel like I am warching the season finale of the United States.

¹not exactly true… as CNN reminds us they are some of the biggest pieces of shít to ever publish a headline with this winner…

…one step above Clumbsy Trump Hits Head on Bullet

There’s certainly malice, but I don’t believe this was some planned event. Malice in the attempt to remove security for Trump, which would create opportunity, and the malice of feeding the public a constant stream of “the next Hitler!” creating motive (especially for the mentally unstable). If the deep state were involved they would not let the outcome rest on the shoulders of a lone 20 year old kid with poor marksmanship ability. Not the Russians, not the deep state.
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Trump survived because he turned his head sharply as the bullet was in flight.

It was entirely Divine Intervention.

Does that mean Trump is somehow “holy”? No.

It just means God isn’t done with Trump yet.

Malice.

The Deep State, Administrative State, and their mouthpiece media, have all been doing their little parts to move things to where they are today.

They have normalized the “It’s OK to punch a Nazi” mentality and then continiously pushed the “Trump is a Nazi” narrative, programming the mentally ill and relying on statistics of percentages among 300,000,000 people to produce results.

Specific to this situation, the location of the shooter was exactly the ideal spot for a shooter in an area that didn’t have many ideal spots. This area should have been controlled by the SS to keep shooters away and for a view of all the less ideal spots. This is not incompetence. The SS is incompetent, especially with their recent priority of hiring women over ability, but this is so fundemental that it can only be explained by malice.

Several groups have come forward saying they informed the SS and LE about a guy on a roof with a gun. Everybody involved has excellent communications and ANY report of a guy with a gun in the ideal spot to shoot Trump should have generated a lockdown until somebody jogged over and took a look at what everyone was talking about.

The sniper had a clear view of the shooter and should have instantly been able to verify this the moment it was reported. More realistically, the sniper had a clear view of the shooter the ENTIRE TIME and it was the most obvious spot for a shooter.

When the shooter started shooting, the sniper didn’t go looking around for where the shots were coming from. He was alread looking at the shooter. Once the shooter got off his shots, the sniper killed him.

These are all established facts with clear photographic and video evidence.

This goes beyond incompetence.

This was intentional LIHOP, let it happen on purpose.

This was malice.

This gets dirtier and dirtier.

It is becoming increasingly clear Trump’s security had minimal staffing using less-experienced substitute workers. More than a few were female DEI hires (and it shows in video).

In this situation, the SS did not complete any of the standard practices, such as controlling all line-of-sight areas (especially rooftops well within rifle range) and controlling high ground such as the water tower, which would give a view of many high-risk areas (such as the rooftops).

It appears the SS was aware there was a report of a man with a rifle on the roof. They didn’t shut things down until this was investigated. A cop looked on the roof but retreated when the shooter pointed his rifle at him.

The snipers were clearly watching the shooter and returned fire after the shooter fired at Trump. There is an unconfirmed rumor that they informed the SS at least 3 minutes before the shooting and were told to stand down. The spin is already coming out that it is standard practice not to shoot back unless they fire first. This is likely nonsense and will be countered soon, but will get little press.

This all points to a conspiracy of shared values.

Everybody wants Trump dead.

The media hypes up how much of a Nazi Trump is. The talking heads indirectly justify violence. The professionals groom a percentage of nutjobs on the intetnet. Sometimes the finances for weapons purchases are never explained. The Administrative State slowwalks solutions. The Deep State guides resources.

In this case the SS coverage was engineered to be ineffective. They likely didn’t know a shooter would show up this time, but they were prepared to let one succeed.

We are watching something terrible happen to America.

Chickenhead, Liz, if you want to see what despicable means when it comes to Conservative media, look to no the Conservative media, the New York Post, which wrote the news article that the shooter was a Chinese man.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240713234714/https://nypost.com/2024/07/13/us-news/gunman-behind-attempted-assassination-on-trump-shot-and-killed-by-secret-service-sources/

And to this, what do you guys say?

Lord Wupert of Wapping Big Lies owns the New York Post.

Lord Wupert also owns Murdoch Fox News.

Lord Wupert also owned the North American franchise for Russia Today.

These things are evaluated on a case-by-case basis.

It turns out, there is a difference between “oops, the Chinese guy was actually white” and “as a Russian asset, Trump is selling nuclear codes to finance Russian píss hookers.”

It is unclear where the NY Post came up with the idea the shooter was Chinese. That seems to have lasted minutes before it was removed (with no obvious retraction).

I got an alert on this within 30 seconds of it happening and there was nothing about the identity of the shooter until he was identified by name.

It is irresponsible journalism. But it likely isn’t malicious journalism.

You tell ’em, Stephen!

As an enthusiastic Trump-hater, Rupert Murdoch should be exposed for all the dishonesty he promotes.

Glad to see you finaly joined the right team!

“CH, you are Sergeant O’Rourke.”

I don’t know if that was intended as a compliment, but I will certainly take it as one.

A working theory has been the Deep State didn’t know a shooter woukd show up, but they certainly engineered the poorest security possible, so if one did, he would have an easy time.

But now, people who have been to more than one Trump event are saying security was strangely lacking at this event compared to others.

There really is no explanation for why security didn’t control the water tower and rooftops with a close line of site to Trump.

This is not simple incompetence.

GI, at a certain point, incompetence and malice are indistinguishable.

Nobody, from trained Secret Service to a 13 year-old Call of Duty player, doesn’t notice the utility of occupying the water tower and controlling the rooftops.

This isn’t incompetence. Nobody is that incompetent.

This was malice from somewhere at the top, engineered incompetence in the middle, and cockpit culture at the bottom.

Too often, Hanlon’s razor, “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity,” is used to cover for malice backing stupidity.

We see this constantly.

And we see it here.

Crenshaw is the modern McCain, anti-American Globalist using his veteran status as cover.

A couple of new developments…

– As Flyingsword more eloquently pointed out, Crenshaw is a lying globalist puke.

– Despite Secret Service denials, the buildings were very much their responsibility. As a former Secret Service agent pointed out, the range of an AR-15/M4 is four times the distance of the building. The failure to secure the buildings is on the Secret Service. As this is standard procedure without any decisions needing to be made, this failure goes beyond incompetence. This was intentional.

“It was too dangerous to put people on the roof becasue it was sloped,” is the current Secret Service excuse. Not including the water tower with an excellent view, catwalk, and railing, the mild slope of the roof makes this a nonsense excuse. The choice not to secure this area was intentional.

– Many people reported to law enforcement that a guy was climbing on the roof. Some reported that he had a rifle. The roof was not easily accessable, so a couple of cops lifted another cop up. He grabbed onto the edge and saw the shooter. The shooter pointed his rifle at the cop and the cop rightfully let go and dropped to the ground.

The cops claim they immediately sounded the alarm that a shooter was on the roof using the radio frequency shared with the Secret Service. Trump was not immediately protected and the snipers that were observing the shooter did not shoot him until after he shot Trump.

Every new development makes the situation seem more malicious than incompetent.

All evidence increasingly points in one direction.

More information (and government-sponsored misinformation to dilute it) will come out.

Protip: If you ever find yourself in this situation, don’t use the radio. Immediately draw your pistol and empty a mag into the ground. That will force all the slugtards to get moving.

Bonus: Trump is looking pretty haggard. He has just had his Come to Jesus moment. The possibility that the Deep State would kill him was theoretical until now. He is not a quitter. Now he has to respond. (With the knowledge that the next step is to poison him and claim natural causes.)

Disclaimer: There is zero evidence that the shooter was anything more than a lone nutjob. (Though there are a few unusual aspects that need further study.)

Truth: There is a great deal of curcumstantial evidence that the Secret Service did unusual things that allowed this to happen. More information will likely come out as ásses get covered.

Tinfoil Hat: What if a lone nut shows up to EVERY Trump event but security is always too tight to get at him… until now.

This gets more interesting by the day.

I don’t usually speak British, but…
Bloody Hell!

Let’s review:

– the places where assasins would clearly have the best shots were intentionally not secured

– the places that would give the best views for law enforcement were not occupied by law enforcement

– a kid was able to bring a rifle into the “secure” area inside of the fence

– law enforcement was unable to get inside their own fence and had to knock it down with a police car

Keep believing the people running this are that stupid.

Just like covid, GI Korea taking the deep state globalist position.

CH, I hear what you’re saying (and it rings true)…but doesn’t everything about this seem too statistically impossible to believe?
-Trump turns his head at the exact right 0.05th of a second.
-A boss of a photographer happens to be right there, to take one of the most epic photos in history (this is directly following the bullets…he wasn’t only in the right place at the right time with the right talent, he was fearless).
-Trump instinctively holds his fist up and says “fight” and “USA” and all that…
I mean, even some kids in Uganda have made a skit on tick tok about it…there’s an epic video from Japan…
honestly none of this seems real right now.

@Stephen,

Those “probabilities” are so obviously a figment of your biases, prejudices, and imagination that you just end up looking like a fool.

@GIKorea

On the question of malice. What do you call the left trying to convict and imprison Trump on false and obviously politically motivated charges? What do you call the left trying to restrict and even remove SS security from Trump and outright deny it to challengers from the center left like RFK? What do you call all of their hysteria over the past 8 years where they’ve openly fantasized about bad things happening to the president? What do you call instigating riots throughout the country to undermine Trump that resulted in arson, rape, and murder all the while providing legal and political protection to the rioters?

There’s been nothing but malice for the last 8 years directed towards the man. The entire surrounding situation reeks of malice.

Some are pointing out the gross incompetence of the SS, and that is true. It also completely fails to acknowledge that the incompetence is directly linked to the Biden administration’s push for “Diversity Equity and Inclusion”. The reason why they push DEI is because of malice. They hate men. They hate heterosexuals. They hate competence. They hate strength. They hate beauty. Their entire moral value system is turned upside down. They hate you, and yes, they want you dead and humiliated and your kids groomed.

Don’t believe me? Merely look at just about any American college campus… you know, the system that trains and conditions all of our elites.

(1) “The right wing is the biggest group of “gun nuts”… but that is in ownership and empty talk rather than action.”

We are agreeing here. Low probability.

(2) “Butler and Dallas should be treated the same”.

Totally agree, however, SS would be more cagey about repeating 1963 in Dallas.

(3) Still a suicide mission. He was highly visible on a roof, not camouflaged on a grassy knoll.

(4) B Team replaces A Team, proper sweep of area not conducted (0.01) and poor communication after gun nut observed leading to delayed reaction (0.01). Threat Probability 0.01×0.01 = 0.001.

“This level of incompetence is impossible.”

This is what actually happened though.

(5) “I have faith that pretty much anybody who can breath(e) can take a black rifle to the range for a few hours and do consistent headshots at 0.

He was banned from the local gun club because he was a danger to himself and innocent bystanders. He did kill the fire chief … whom he was not aiming for?

“In the end, the SS has a duty to protect Trump and they didnt.”

We agree again. The SS has a duty to protect Trump ~ and make the probability of an assassination 0 ~ and they didn’t.

잘 합니다 CH. Good to see us agreeing. Who says I’m dumb?

(1) “The right wing is the biggest group of “gun nuts”… but that is in ownership and empty talk rather than action.”

“Right wing gun nuts” have a low probability of shooting Trump. Leftist and apolitical nuts with guns have a higher chance.

Trump must be protected using established standards whatever your theories on situational probabilities are.

(2) “Butler and Dallas should be treated the same”.

Trump must be protected using established standards whatever your theories on local demographics are.

(3) Still a suicide mission. He was highly visible on a roof, not camouflaged on a grassy knoll.

Trump must be protected using established standards whatever your theories on shooter motivation and commitment are.

(4) B Team replaces A Team, proper sweep of area not conducted (0.01) and poor communication after gun nut observed leading to delayed reaction (0.01). Threat Probability 0.01×0.01 = 0.001.

“This level of incompetence is impossible.”

This is what actually happened though.

Trump must be protected using established standards whatever your theories on organizational competence are.

The B Team is still an official team and is expected to have the same training on standards and procedures.

In this case, their operation might be expected to run less smoothly. But, as they are still a team of competent people who achieved their positions through the same training as the A Team, they are expected to complete the basic tasks required by the job.

In this case, they are required to secure all location that can be used to shoot Trump at a range far exceeding 164 yards. This was not difficult, as there was a mildly sloped roof and a very safe water tower overlooking everything.

This level of incompetence is impossible.

This is what actually happened, though.

The conclusion is incompetence is the wrong explanation.

(5) “I have faith that pretty much anybody who can breath(e) can take a black rifle to the range for a few hours and do consistent headshots at 0.

He was banned from the local gun club because he was a danger to himself and innocent bystanders. He did kill the fire chief … whom he was not aiming for?

That is nonsense. No matter how bad of shot you are, you are not a danger at the range. If you are careless or agressive, you are a danger. If you have trouble hitting the target, you are a poor shot.

“In the end, the SS has a duty to protect Trump and they didnt.”

We agree again. The SS has a duty to protect Trump ~ and make the probability of an assassination 0 ~ and they didn’t.

The question is not about what happened.

The question is why it happened.

– Witnesses claim security was noticeably lighter at this event.

– the low level of security wasnt an oversight. It was a clear violation of standards in more than one aspect. This was at a level that even someone on the B Team should have taken notice.

– a shooter just happens to show up to take advantage of this unusually low security.

There is no proof he was groomed to do this, apart from an odd lack of any social media. Yhough an unusual lack of information is also information. Let’s see how this aspect plays out.

The unusual security situation was ideal to accommodate the shooter in such a way that it stretches credibility to blame incompetence.

Let’s see how this goes.

you bring up entirely different topics from what happened with this assassination attempt.

The surrounding context absolutely matters. All those different topics, among many others, worked together to create the circumstances for a legitimization of political violence and the failed assassination attempt. What exactly do you think the result of constantly screaming ‘Hitler! Hitler! Hitler!’ for years, combined with running political cover for outbreaks of mass violence, combined with actively trying to remove and degrade Trump’s security?

This is not at all dissimilar to how they have facilitated illegal protest mobs right outside conservative Supreme Court Justice’s homes but kept their security detail to just a few marshals… and if someone “just so happens” to try to kill a justice at a time when the security detail is stretched thin (an attempt has already happened)… of course the party line is that it’s ‘totally not their fault and it’s purely coincidental’.

I refuse to believe they’re so stupid to not understand what they’re doing, and it’s insultingly naive to pretend malice wasn’t involved.

“When Mike Johnson’s congressional buddies interrogate SS Team B we’re all gonna find out whether the members of SS Team B are registered Republicans or Democrats.”

We will likely find more of a division between those who support Trump and those who do not.

Oddly, we may find a statistically improbable number of NeverTrumpers on the B Team… people with no passion for this duty who will easily do the bare minimum, take no initiative in rectifying clear violations of procedure, and happily follow orders that leave gaps in Trump’s security.

How this particular group was selected would be the next question.

These people are not exactly “incompetent,” as they likely recognize problems. They just don’t want to do anything about it if it is not their direct responsibility.

So we look up to the next level.

Someone was directly responsible for the security of Trump… not the security of a bubble with a limited range. If the duty to secure the buildings was delegated to law enforcement, it was still their responsibility to make sure law enforcement was doing their job and ensure the area was truly secure.

Somebody made the decision to leave the premium sniper spots unsecured.

The higher this went, there is less possibility of it being incompetence and more possibility of it being intentional. In reality, any supervisor from the Z Team on up would see the security flaws in this situation.

Now, we find that LE recognized the shooter as a peron of interest an hour before the shooting. They followed him but somehow lost him. Then he came to attention using a range finder and he became a person of concern. The SS was informed there was a potential security concern… yet… they still let Trump on stage. Then there was a clear security concern, as people were reporting a guy on the roof with a rifle. The SS was informed. They didn’t temporarily pull Trump off the stage. Then a cop verified a guy with a gun was on the roof. They radioed the SS but the shooter started shooting amid all these delays. The cop should have emptied his gun in the ground and Trump would have been immediately protected.

Bonus: The trial balloons are going up to see what the public will buy.

– It was part of an Iranian plot.

– The shooter wasn’t there to shoot Trump but wanted a mass casualty event… then the narrative can go from Secret Service Bad to Guns Are Bad.

New developments every few hours!

Plot Twist: In the next 12 hours, we are going to learn something interesting about his lack of social media.

I don’t watch CNN and don’t know how many Trump rallies they covered, but I definitely remember the Bronx one…so there’s at least one more (than PA) they covered.