All Passengers Except for Two Feared Dead After Jeju Air Crash in Muan

Video I watched showing touchdown appears to show no flaps. No flaps and no landing gear, both hydraulically powered, equals very high touchdown speed on a 9100 ft active with a resulting fire ball, the two survivors are lucky beyond belief.

There goes Korean Man, using a tragedy to stir divisiveness. Never let a crises go to waste, isn’t that the line of thought comrade?

I am not yet offering theories of conspiracy.

i am voicing scepticism.

I am suggesting that so many aspects of this are abnoral, there is little possibility that the story we are getting is true.

Aspects of the current narrative even conflict.

I find this all to be very odd, so it gets my attention.

Deflect then change the subject, just like a three year old would do. Props to the fire, air and rescue crew, that saved the FA and PAX in the tail end.

KM, thank you for staying on subject, yes the You Tuber makes some very good points and claims to have been a CPT on the 737-800. He shows the -800 hydraulics schematic and goes into the no flaps no spoilers observation. Best to wait and see what the FDR and CVR show when the investigation is complete and results become known. It’s a US manufactured aircraft so ICAO has the US NTSB conduct an investigation, they are the best.

Fwiw, my spouse flew 737s for 12 years (he has been on disability for the last 2 years, he probably won’t be able to go back).
What I stated above is what he told me.

Ah… I see. You have taken my joke as literally as possible so you can move focus from the serious questions I asked, which have now been asked by professionals.

My mistake.

While I said the wall was conveniently positioned to ensure nobody would survive an overshoot, let me be clear this was just the use of a literary device and did not imply a conspiracy to kill passengers and destroy planes.

I don’t believe there was any organized attempt to ensure nobody would survive a minor accident… even though the same thing has happened many times at airports around the world and the plane went through the flimsy antenna structure and came to a stop in the fields far past the end of the runway with no fatalities.

My statement is 100% factul but this was no conspiracy.

This was due to the typical Korean traits of not thinking things through, cutting financial corners, doing it quick and easy, having a better buddy in the concrete business than steel frame business, etc.

We see this every… single… day.

It is better now than it once was, but it is still happening. (When was that structure built?)

For years, not a single person at the airport said to themselves, “Gee, what would happen if a plane overshot the runway like happens eventually at most airports?”¹

Now we know.

This was not conspircy. This was stupidity.

¹One of my self-appropriated side duties at my job is to find the stupidity. I am good at finding the stupidity. Then I am good at finding the stupidity in those not addressing the stupidity. I have an unlimited budget to solve problems if I can tie it to safety or environment.

if your aircraft overruns the landing lights, a concrete wall is not your only problem.

North end of runway:

The video clearly shows the plane disintegrated on the berm for the south end landing lights, as there are mountains in the background.

The metal supports for the lights would likely have shredded the aircraft, with or without a concrete wall.

Thanks, CH… an expert who saw what I saw… And likely what you saw as well…

Conspiracy time.

There is starting to look like a conspiracy exists to hide the flightpath data, the air traffic control communications, and the black box information.

If I had to make a theory at this time based on the information available, everyone involved is trying to hide pilot error so horrible that the entire Korean aviation industry will be questioned.

Here is what appears to have happened, though my opinion might change as additional facts come to light.

– plane is approaching normally. Flightpath is expected and airspeed indicates flaps are down. The video of the birdstrike seems to show the flaps down. I believe i have geolocated that camera based on shdows and background mountains to a building south of the runway. There are a few odd things I need to resolve but this appears to mesh with the official story

– the pilots panic and abort the landing. They raise the flaps and gear, increase power on the working engine, and do a go-around.

– ~30 minutes later, they land. (This seems like too long of time)

– they land at least in the middle (and maybe further) down the runway with gear up, flaps up, speed brakes undeployed, at high speed… but the thrust reverse for the bird strike engine is being used. None of that makes any sense.

Why did it happen?

I remember the general at Osan AB grifting the taxpayers out of flight pay. As he came in for a landing, there was an engine failure in his A-10. He shut the engine down and…

…oops wrong engine.

The taxpayers were short one A-10 and the rice farmer at the end of the runway had his most profitable harvest ever.

Could they have lined up for a landing and then shut the good engine down and had no hydraulics and no time to drop the landing gear amid the panic?

There is another video of the approach and the plane is clearly bobbing side to side slightly as you would expect a normal landing with a pilot managing a bit of wind. It appears to be controlled. The plane did land perfectly on the runway, just too far down, too fast, and with zero landing prep.

The 737 can be controlled with no hydraulics. The gear can be put down easily with no hydraulics. Flaps and other normal things you see during landing need hydraulics.

So that’s my analysis.

But I am no expert.

It does seem there increasingly appears to be a conspiracy to hide the reasons for what happened.

As I stated the firt day this happened, there will be villians in this story.

The first villians are all the people who thought a dirt birm and thick concrete was a better way to elevate antennas at the end of the runway than flimsy metal towers that damage overshooting planes but easily break away. A casual glance at the internet showed Canada has 9 overruns a year, in case you are wondering if this is common… overshooting and plowing though antennas, not hitting deathtraps at the end of the runway.

Bonus: Korea’s lizard brain of public consciousness has realized this is wrong. It turns out lots of Korean airports have a setup like this. It is now a priority to change this. Bridges, department stores, subways, ships, etc… at least Korea panic learns from disaster.

This was the broadcasted message.

Flyingsward, newsdaily is an ultra-right rightwing cult group with mostly fake stories about red commies trying to destroy the world. Any dummy can photoshop.

https://namu.wiki/w/%EB%89%B4%EB%8D%B0%EC%9D%BC%EB%A6%AC

Which ultra-right Korean group did you get this from?

MBC broadcast it, ask MBC. MBC is a far left commie rag, tool of South Korean Communist party. (two can play this game)

Setnaffa, you can’t even read/understand Korean, yet you advocate South Korea to turn to dictatorship, like China. If I’m the chinabot, what are you? You want Korea to be like China.

MBC broadcast it, ask MBC.

Flyingsword, source? Oh that’s right you only have NewsDaily.

KM, do your own internet search, it is on YTN, Korean Herald, even reference in on the far left Oh My News….of course they sound like you trying to dismiss the obvious nK message as a big nothing. https://www.ytn.co.kr/_ln/0103_202412301538214879

Flyingswoard, your own link says this:

윤석열 대통령의 12·3 비상계엄(非常戒嚴)에 따른 정치적 후폭풍에 이어, 전남 무안공항에서 179명이 사망하는 비행기 사고가 발생하면서 우려가 가중되는 분위기다. 이럴 때일수록 언론의 역할이 중요함에도 불구하고, 오히려 일부 언론들이 가짜 뉴스 확산과 선전·선동에 앞장서고 있다는 비판(批判)이 제기되고 있는 것도 부인하기 어렵다.

Following the political aftermath of President Yoon Seok-yeol’s December 3 martial law declaration, and the subsequent plane crash that killed 179 people at Muan Airport in South Jeolla Province, concerns are growing. It is difficult to deny that criticism is being raised that some media outlets are taking the lead in spreading fake news and in inciting propaganda, despite the media’s important role in times like these.

And you’re doing your bit to spread fake news, I see.

The crazy 75+ baby boomer Bible thumping Taegukki Brigade cults will use anything, against everyone and everything that doesn’t support Yoon’s Martial Law as dirty commies, if it’s useful to manipulate.

You may read in the media some lies about the timeline.

I know exactly where the birdstrike video was taken. It was taken from a south-facing balcony south of the runway.

I just read a story pushing the idea the pilot aborted the north-heading landing, circled around for the south-heading landing, hit the bird, and made the emergency landing.

Not true. It was hit very close to the south end of the runway with the flaps down. This means the hydraulics were function enough to raise them up.

I had time to study the second landing video as the plane comes in.

– it is clearly under control. It weaves and bobs a bit and then flies low over the runway, flairs, and gently drops onto the ground. The pilot must have been proud.

– as a mountain passes behind it, one could make an argument the distortion behind the engine is heat. One could also make argument it is a video artifact due to a sudden change of contrast. A better case can be made for both engines being off and the hydraulic system not working.

Lets see where this goes.

Hey CH, thank you for that video. Mike watched it too.
He was a safety officer for a time in the military and was involved in many accident investigations.
He can’t understand why the pilots had to land so quickly, and says your suspicion they turned off the working engine makes as much sense as anything he can come up with.
For context, he said bird strikes (small ones) aren’t so uncommon in commercial flying.
The commercial plane can’t do evasive maneuvers around flocks of birds. Reports of heavy bird activity near runways isn’t uncommon either, and some airports report it frequently. They try to mitigate bird strikes of course (they have bird “cannons” and so forth…but often the birds become immune to the sound). If a fighter hits a bird, that is an emergency and they must land right away. It’s not the same for a commercial plane…they take note of whether or not there is some critical engine damage and continue if things seems fine.
In the sim check ride, it is a very common scenario for an engine to fail at takeoff and have to emergency land. That takes about 15 minutes or so, the pilots go through several checklists first and do it carefully.
So…Mike is perplexed about why they would need to land so quickly and so far down the runway and not have the landing gear down and all that.
He did mention something that probably did play a part though. In the US airlines the FO and Captain have equal input. For example, when an FO says “go around” while a Captain is landing the plane, the Captain goes around without question…because there is not time to discuss the situation during a critical moment he/she might have missed something. Once they are up, they discuss the situation. Asian culture is more hierarchical and there is more de facto deference to the experienced pilot. It is a natural instinct anyway to defer to the more experienced person, especially during an emergency when adding input might just add confusion in those few minutes.

1. Simply watching the flight path indicates a serious lack of something.

2. I saw the gorilla and I am baffled that so many people did not see the gorilla. It reinforces my belief that most people are too stupid to live.

3. I am 100% under the realization that people panic when things go unexpected.

What ‘narrative’ does the US authorities who examined the black box would want to push, Chickenhead?

Recent anecdote (related to pilots, unrelated to this specific incident, most likely). Since you mentioned heart conditions and pilots, CH…
Mike was contacted for a non-flying part time job (potentially) by a current pilot. Their conversation went to back issues and Mike recommended a surgeon in Florida who fused his neck. The pilot responded, “hey my cardiologist is in Miami”.
I too wonder how many cases are out there (my spouse also had a heart arrhythmia, fixed now).

Feeding into the coverup of obvious pilot error:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WAU9eFFTWs

Michael Blackstone, a current Boeing 777 pilot and former 737 Captain of the Boeing 737-800 explains what he believes to be the likely causes of Jeju Air’s tragic gear up landing into a concrete berm at the end of runway 19 at South Korea’s Muan International Airport at 0904L on December 29, 2024.

The investigation is still underway and the conclusion is likely to be different that what is presented here. As of December 31, 2024, when this video was filmed, this is what is known to be true so far and what appears to be the likely causes of the accident that resulted in the deaths of 179 passengers and crew.

Only 2 people survived this incident. It appears that the cockpit crew was very fatigued (left Bangkok at 3:30am) , the flight had a very inexperienced first officer approximately 1,650 hours total time (1500 of which is required to get hired) so only approximately 150 hours of actual experience on the 737-800, the crew rushed (4 minutes) to get the aircraft back on the ground as quickly as possible, they skipped many checklists, they skipped calculating the appropriate landing data, they apparently shut down the left (number 1) engine which resulted in them not being able to deploy the landing gear normally instead of the right (number 2) damaged one, they never got any flaps, gear down, or spoilers deployed at all, they landed very long, (3,900′ down a 9,500′ runway) and unfortunately hit a hidden concrete reinforced earth covered wall at the the end of fateful runway.

This horrific aviation accident will surely go down in aviation history as one of the most terribly handled aviation emergencies ever.

May we all learn many lessons from this terrible tragedy and may God help us to never repeat it.

The official report is out and the claim is they found blood and DNA in both engines.

The story they are pushing is:

– bird warning

– double birdstrike

– no engines, black boxes shut off, no hydraulics

– mayday (radio running off battery)

– plane makes a tight circle, no flaps, no gear, no engines

Except this makes no sense.

The birdstike on video (right engine) was less than 2 NM from the end of the runway and the flaps were clearly down. The landing gear and flaps would both be down at least 4 NM out.

This is about the place the black boxes were lost and the data transmissions stopped. This indicates both engines were lost.

Except, somehow, the flaps and gear were raised between the first birdstrike on video and the landing.

Also, the right engine reverer was deployed, though the engine was clearly not working.

There is debate if the left engine was working, though the data/black boxes/hydraulics seem to be unpowered.

The theory that is being pushed:

– birdstrike

– pilot aborted landing, raised gear and flaps for a go-around

– another birdstrike

– had to cut the turn short and land 1/3 down the runway with no gear or flaps

This makes all the timing odd.

And the number of times a plane has lost an engine to a flock of birds and then lost another engine to another flock of birds is zero.

With the current information, the most sensible conclusion is:

– hit bird
– raised gear and flaps
– shut off wrong engine

There was a slight altitude increase and then decrese where one could expect the gear and flaps to be raised… but no idea.

Liz… comments?

Mike says without data he doesn’t have much of an idea either.

He agrees is would be very strange to have a bird strike come around and have another bird strike. It is possible (just with the information given here) the one bird strike took out both engines. One first (which was immediately obvious), and then the other was damaged but took a few minutes longer to fail completely and caught them off guard.
It is also possible the second engine was shut down in error (He does say what you mention happens, and not infrequently) and the avian DNA found in the second engine happened earlier incident that went unnoticed.
The whole thing seems odd to him also he doesn’t want to put disinformation out as he only has limited data.

In the check rides now for the airframe (I’m told), the Lion air crash scenario is used pretty frequently. Even knowing in advance how to handle the situation, the series of events are still confusing with the alarm blaring and plane jerking violently and everything. Sometimes, in other instances, there are partial electrical failures that aren’t immediately apparent and add to the confusion. Most crashes are the result of very very unusual series of events. Sometimes the events are so unusual they seem nearly impossible, until they happen.