All Passengers Except for Two Feared Dead After Jeju Air Crash in Muan

Video I watched showing touchdown appears to show no flaps. No flaps and no landing gear, both hydraulically powered, equals very high touchdown speed on a 9100 ft active with a resulting fire ball, the two survivors are lucky beyond belief.

There goes Korean Man, using a tragedy to stir divisiveness. Never let a crises go to waste, isn’t that the line of thought comrade?

I am not yet offering theories of conspiracy.

i am voicing scepticism.

I am suggesting that so many aspects of this are abnoral, there is little possibility that the story we are getting is true.

Aspects of the current narrative even conflict.

I find this all to be very odd, so it gets my attention.

Deflect then change the subject, just like a three year old would do. Props to the fire, air and rescue crew, that saved the FA and PAX in the tail end.

KM, thank you for staying on subject, yes the You Tuber makes some very good points and claims to have been a CPT on the 737-800. He shows the -800 hydraulics schematic and goes into the no flaps no spoilers observation. Best to wait and see what the FDR and CVR show when the investigation is complete and results become known. It’s a US manufactured aircraft so ICAO has the US NTSB conduct an investigation, they are the best.

Fwiw, my spouse flew 737s for 12 years (he has been on disability for the last 2 years, he probably won’t be able to go back).
What I stated above is what he told me.

Ah… I see. You have taken my joke as literally as possible so you can move focus from the serious questions I asked, which have now been asked by professionals.

My mistake.

While I said the wall was conveniently positioned to ensure nobody would survive an overshoot, let me be clear this was just the use of a literary device and did not imply a conspiracy to kill passengers and destroy planes.

I don’t believe there was any organized attempt to ensure nobody would survive a minor accident… even though the same thing has happened many times at airports around the world and the plane went through the flimsy antenna structure and came to a stop in the fields far past the end of the runway with no fatalities.

My statement is 100% factul but this was no conspiracy.

This was due to the typical Korean traits of not thinking things through, cutting financial corners, doing it quick and easy, having a better buddy in the concrete business than steel frame business, etc.

We see this every… single… day.

It is better now than it once was, but it is still happening. (When was that structure built?)

For years, not a single person at the airport said to themselves, “Gee, what would happen if a plane overshot the runway like happens eventually at most airports?”¹

Now we know.

This was not conspircy. This was stupidity.

¹One of my self-appropriated side duties at my job is to find the stupidity. I am good at finding the stupidity. Then I am good at finding the stupidity in those not addressing the stupidity. I have an unlimited budget to solve problems if I can tie it to safety or environment.

if your aircraft overruns the landing lights, a concrete wall is not your only problem.

North end of runway:

The video clearly shows the plane disintegrated on the berm for the south end landing lights, as there are mountains in the background.

The metal supports for the lights would likely have shredded the aircraft, with or without a concrete wall.

Thanks, CH… an expert who saw what I saw… And likely what you saw as well…

Conspiracy time.

There is starting to look like a conspiracy exists to hide the flightpath data, the air traffic control communications, and the black box information.

If I had to make a theory at this time based on the information available, everyone involved is trying to hide pilot error so horrible that the entire Korean aviation industry will be questioned.

Here is what appears to have happened, though my opinion might change as additional facts come to light.

– plane is approaching normally. Flightpath is expected and airspeed indicates flaps are down. The video of the birdstrike seems to show the flaps down. I believe i have geolocated that camera based on shdows and background mountains to a building south of the runway. There are a few odd things I need to resolve but this appears to mesh with the official story

– the pilots panic and abort the landing. They raise the flaps and gear, increase power on the working engine, and do a go-around.

– ~30 minutes later, they land. (This seems like too long of time)

– they land at least in the middle (and maybe further) down the runway with gear up, flaps up, speed brakes undeployed, at high speed… but the thrust reverse for the bird strike engine is being used. None of that makes any sense.

Why did it happen?

I remember the general at Osan AB grifting the taxpayers out of flight pay. As he came in for a landing, there was an engine failure in his A-10. He shut the engine down and…

…oops wrong engine.

The taxpayers were short one A-10 and the rice farmer at the end of the runway had his most profitable harvest ever.

Could they have lined up for a landing and then shut the good engine down and had no hydraulics and no time to drop the landing gear amid the panic?

There is another video of the approach and the plane is clearly bobbing side to side slightly as you would expect a normal landing with a pilot managing a bit of wind. It appears to be controlled. The plane did land perfectly on the runway, just too far down, too fast, and with zero landing prep.

The 737 can be controlled with no hydraulics. The gear can be put down easily with no hydraulics. Flaps and other normal things you see during landing need hydraulics.

So that’s my analysis.

But I am no expert.

It does seem there increasingly appears to be a conspiracy to hide the reasons for what happened.

As I stated the firt day this happened, there will be villians in this story.

The first villians are all the people who thought a dirt birm and thick concrete was a better way to elevate antennas at the end of the runway than flimsy metal towers that damage overshooting planes but easily break away. A casual glance at the internet showed Canada has 9 overruns a year, in case you are wondering if this is common… overshooting and plowing though antennas, not hitting deathtraps at the end of the runway.

Bonus: Korea’s lizard brain of public consciousness has realized this is wrong. It turns out lots of Korean airports have a setup like this. It is now a priority to change this. Bridges, department stores, subways, ships, etc… at least Korea panic learns from disaster.

This was the broadcasted message.

Flyingsward, newsdaily is an ultra-right rightwing cult group with mostly fake stories about red commies trying to destroy the world. Any dummy can photoshop.

https://namu.wiki/w/%EB%89%B4%EB%8D%B0%EC%9D%BC%EB%A6%AC

Which ultra-right Korean group did you get this from?

The chinabots are all intellectual clones of Don Lemon, fired from CNN…

We can hope they never change. Next they’ll be telling us the Muan crash was caused by a black hole.

I think my early observations, now completely in line with the observations of professionals, were (and are) legitimate. Everyone coning to the same conclusions based on available evidence is not a shameful thing.

So far, nobody has suggested the pilot shut off the wrong engine but they likely will be. I only suggest that because the evidence fits it, and though it may not be common enough for the professionals to consider it yet, I have seen it before so it comes to mind.

Protip: Few people are experts on everything, but in the age of intetnet, there is no excuse to not be well-informed about current issues.

During covid, I frequent heard, “It is safe and effective and you just don’t understand the science.” But, while everyone else was parroting the propaganda talking points, I was studying. So I DO understand quite a bit of the science.

In the last 48 hours, I studied more about the 737-800 than I thought I would ever know. I now know enough to make some very clear statements such as lowering the landing gear is an entirely manual process with no need for hydraulics, or even functioning engines.

I can say that planes overshoot the runway more often than people realize and airports need to consider this.

And I can combine my new knowledge, old knowledge, and previous experience to come to the conclusion the plane landed with no hydraulics, no engines, and panicked pilots gliding most of the way down the runway at high speed fearful of the drag of deployed landing gear.

You can search the internet for any experts who have come to this conclusion but it doesn’t seem they have yet.

But they will.

It is the best explanation fitting the facts we have now.

And this https://www.imaeil.com/page/view/2024123016573329475

I admit to being confused about how correctly noting the chinabots are acting increasingly unhinged, like Don Lemon, is advocating for a cult of personality like those run by Xi or Putin, both of whom are aging gangsters. Both of whom would likely not laugh at my jokes.

Be that as it may, I wish the South Korean Government would release the details showing transparency about voting numbers and prove there was no election fraud. That could calm a lot of angry people

And also, I hope the results of the investigation into the Muan crash are released as soon as possible. Right now looks like pilot error (panic?) after the bird strike. The CVR will answer whether checklists were followed and why the plane landed too far down the runway with no flaps or gear deployed.

The weird urgency to screw the opposition party at every turn and lie about people who disagree seems to be a standard chinabot tactic; but I hope in 2025 they are replaced by more well-adjusted people (or better AI).

Right now those in Korea should do their best to help the grieving families heal and recover. There will be time enough for political rhetoric in a week or two.

Show some evidence of hunanity.