ROK Drop Open Thread – January 17, 2025

In non-political news about Korea, Norkistan proves they don’t need foreign donations as they have enough money to murder innocent sealife with expensive missiles:

https://apnews.com/article/north-korea-missile-launch-nuclear-kim-jong-un-7924d599f55b01cb6662da8d5cd75ea2

No doubt the support for the PPP increased a bit from about a month ago, backed by a flood of fake news created by the far-right, and Yoon’s defiance, using Trumpian tactics to muddle all the issues, and calling on Trump to support their cause. So far Trump has ignored these rats. But let’s see how long that will continue.
As for the poll, as I said, the far-right manipulates the polls. I’ll let one of the posters on Reddit, explain.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Hangukin/comments/1i3cjq9/chinese_public_security_in_korea/

J_S_Han OP 19h ago
Edited 18h ago

The devil is in the details; here’s the actual link to the Gallup poll in question, and here are the stats.

Out of 1,001 surveyed, for political affiliation 123 refused to respond or were politically apathetic, so realistically the poll only shows the opinion of 878 (1,001 – 123 = 878).

Of those 878, those who identify as conservatives were given a larger percentage than other groups, at 338. this represents 38.49% of the people polled.

278 of the 878 (31.66%) identified as moderate/neutral, and 262 of the 878 (29.84%) identified as liberal.
If I recall correctly, Gallup Korea rounds up the percentages for party approval rating, and given how close 38.49% is to 39%, PPP party supporters only included conservatives and virtually non of the moderates and liberals.

The liberals on the other hand got an approval rating of 36% despite representing 29.84% of the group surveyed, meaning they have a decent chunk of moderate voters.
South Korea political climate has been divided into roughly 33% liberal, 33% conservative, and 33% moderate/apathetic for the last 15 or 20 years, plus or minus a couple percentage points. This is the golden ratio you want to use when calculating how accurate polls are.
If one group surveyed gets a larger chunk of the audience, then it’ll be lopsided in favor of that group.

TLDR: Gallup Korea poll is slightly skewed in favor of conservatives. Even then, the PPP party won 0 support from moderates/neutral, which means they’re fucked in future elections.

In two party political elections, the goal is to win over the moderates and swing voters because they provide the decisive edge.

Xiaohongshu: Gays please don’t come.

TrumpTok: Gays please come!

How was the mob boss Yoon able to build such an empire around him in less than three years of his rule?

Answer: Pick the most dumbest, untalented, incompetent, people with criminal backgrounds to Korea’s key positions in the military, presidential cabinet, the law, the police, and even such important government positions like the head of the military human rights center.

For example, this is the head of military human rights, Kim Yong Won, under questioning in the National Assembly, spewing/screaming far-right Youtube conspiracy theories and screaming obscenities, accusing the entire National Assembly floor of spies and pro-China commies. The disrespect and ugly dismissive Yoon-style manners seen here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuWyQF0nDO4

Under Yoon’s orders, he covered up the death of a marine due to negligence, instead of protecting the dead soldier (which was supposed to be his job). Then he had a military officer part of the investigation force who reported negligence at the top, put under arrest without a fair trial, with help from Yoon. After Yoon was impeached, that officer was recently found innocent and freed. This guy also had an extensive criminal background like assualting police, prostitution, and sexual harassment of his female officers. Yet Yoon put him in charge of military human rights.

I get that there’s always been right and left conflicts in Korea. But the Korean Right was never this ugly in behavior as they are showing now. I think much of their actions were directly influenced by Yoon’s demand on loyalty of the criminals he hired, not based on merit or ability.

Thank God Yoon will be gone, 2.5 years into his rule, before Korea is thrown into Third World conditions.

2.5 years? I thought it was the death penalty before spring.

Yoon has been in power 2.5 years, and his rule probably ended for good with the coming impeachment. During his rule, the country has been in a complete mess. What is your problem?

I notice the chinabots are still unable to summarize. Can they not even use ChatGPT or Grok?

The Yoon’s tyranny governmment supporters now copying Trump’s “Stop the Steal” campaign. Korean copycats.

https://www.reddit.com/r/korea/comments/1i4lisy/photos_and_videos_from_todays_riots_at_the_seoul/

However what’s different about Trump and these Korean copycats is that Trump doesn’t reject the American Constitutional court, the American court system, the American police, and the American Justice. Trump may say he’s being targeted by them, but he never goes too far (not yet anyway) and say they are all illegal CCP influenced that need to be destroyed, as these Yoon supporters are going with. Whenever they will lose an election, they can just say it was fixed.

I guess 312 Electoral College votes can’t get the chinabots off their tired old script.

Must be a sad life. And it’s their choice, so it must be very bitter, too.

The following doesn’t mention Trump or any other politicians, all broken humans like all of us; but it’s what I believe:

I know not why God’s wondrous grace
to me is daily shown,
nor why, with mercy, Christ in love
redeemed me for his own.

Refrain:
But “I know whom I have believed,
and am persuaded that he is able
to keep that which I’ve committed
unto him against that day.”

I know not how this saving faith
to me he did impart,
nor how believing in his word
wrought peace within my heart. [Refrain]

I know not how the Spirit moves,
convincing us of sin,
revealing Jesus through the Word,
creating faith in him. [Refrain]

I know not when my Lord may come,
at night or noon-day fair,
nor if I’ll walk the vale with him,
or meet him in the air. [Refrain]

Korean police now illegally trying to obscure their identity. No name tags or other identification worn. This is illegal, the DPK ordered this. https://x.com/i/status/1880588810737861088

Korean broadcaster MBC now using the nK term for citizen openly in its broadcasting.

Korea Man posting lies, again. Actually a reporter from JTCB news (left wing) broke down judges door.

Flyingsword, do you even know what that caption means?

Boils down to this: A far left YouTuber Eojjeol Ahje (어쩔아재) was an agent provocateur in agit prop & framing patriots at the Seoul Western District Court.

Ahhhhh, KM was posting bullshit!? There goes my hope that there was some remaining male vitality left in Korea. Guess all those plastics in the diet has truly turned everyone into…

This is called trap investigation. It’s illegal in South korea. 
There was a pro-Democratic media JTBC.(The Democratic Party is a pro-China, pro-North Korea, paralysing state affairs, and illegal activities.)
이런 부류를 함정 수사라고 하며 불법입니다. 그곳에는 친민주당성향방송의 JTBC가 있었습니다. (민주당은 친중, 친북, 국정마비, 불법을 행하는 세력입니다.)

Tell me KM, what is my original country? And why would I be put in a camp for being an illegal immigrant?

Do you know the difference between a concentration camp and a deportation facility?

Bonus, if deportation facilities are built, what makes you believe I’ll won’t be in the guard tower?

KM, you speak American English, think and believe in American Progressive terms, slop up American reddit threads, chat on an American website (mostly with Americans), hate some Americans for very partisan American reasons, and are now telling me to return to my “original country”… Oh the irony.

American military is supprisingly caste-like featuring the same families throughout the generations. A significant chunk of American military officers are married to Asians. The upper echelons are the military are fairly comfortable around Asians. Many of the top congress members are either married to Asians or have them in their staff… and that’s on both sides of politics. I’m pretty secure.

You’re not though. The majority of hate in America, by far, is ideologically based. If “free” helicopter rides and “swimming leassons” in the Pacific ever happen, it’ll be due to a hatred of people not for the color of their skin but for the contents of their character. Lucky for you, Trump is a nice guy. Not lucky for you, he will probably fail at reforming the current regime and the following guys will likely not be nice.

“Guard towers are for pure thoroughbred real Americans”

I can already hear the Hispanics in the American infantry and law enforcement laughing.

 notice the chinabots are still unable to summarize. Can they not even use ChatGPT or Grok?

Interesting by @setnaffa considering Chicken Head is well know for posting very very long comments.

Don’t see @setnaffa telling Chicken Head to keep his posts sort and summarize.

Clearly shows the application of double standards which are the hallmarks of right wingers.

While we are on the subject of ChatGPT and Grok, assuming that Chicken Head is a bot, wonder why @setnaffa didn’t include a summarizing function?

“I am multilingual and multicultural”

Lol, what next, a claim of being cosmopolitan as well? The truth is, you were never Korean, perhaps despite your blood. Global culture, or what you call “multicultural” is very American. Sorry kid, the game was rigged from 1945 and you, we, are all living in America.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr8ljRgcJNM

For all your noise, deep down you know you’re not really Korean, hence the insecurity and need to overcompensate with your pseudonym.

China and Russia are trying to break out of the Global American Empire’s culture with varying degrees of success.

KM, if you really want to stick it to America with a giant middle finger, you’d support restoring the Korean monarchy, restoring patriarchy, developing nuclear industry, outlawing lgbt, establishing a strong national state religion, national capitalism, etc.

Unfortunately you’re too mind fucked by American multiculturalism to realize you’re marching to the beat of Harvard leftists. It would be funny if not for how sad it is.

Korean Man.

No need to waste your time with these Setnaffarian losers.

They are right wingers, which means they think their ideals are always right, won’t listen to reason, and don’t have the brainpower to see and think beyond that little bubble they created for themselves.

Better to wait and see.

Because in a few years time, everything they know and hold dear will go down the drain, and they will be crying in despair.

It is better to stand back and let them see the folly of their ways.

For a better reference, watch the movie “Civil War.”

KP, I’ll use an analogy in the form of a parable so that you might understand the problem. Suppose you are a “Chatholic” priest living and working in the Vatican. You and your buddies are trying to reform the Catholic Church. A noble cause for there are indeed many real problems.

Your faction spends a lot of time speaking and reading Japanese and not Latin. That on it’s own isn’t a problem, Catholicism is global. However, your faction ends up turning into otaku who visit and pay homage to Japanese intellectuals and religious sites… many of which are Shinto.

You start hating American Protestantism, and while there are many reasons why a good Catholic might hate them, your arguments strangly seems to all be rather similar to what the kannushi would say and not what the Cardinals would say. It gets odder when you are observed clapping your hands and praying at a local shrine… and others have never seen you hold or recieve Latin Mass (rip TradCaths). If fact you now spend much time agitating in the Vatican to adopt amaterasu as another name for God.

A normal Catholic might just think you and your buddies might not really be Catholic. In fact they might be alarmed they’re being infiltrated by heathens. To their questioning of your Catholicness you react with “I’m the real Catholic, you just hate the Vatican, go back to your religion whatever it really is, I’m multi-religious”.

To everyone it’s obvious you are a shinto entryist, everyone except somehow you.

Now replace Vatican with Korea and Shintoism with American Culture as expressed in its left wing politics. You can also replace otaku with reddit reader and kannushi with Chomsky or whatever amalgamation of American intellectuals you get your ideas from.

Do you maybe see why I might start wondering about how Korean you really are despite whatever blood or residency might be?

Enough of the long story. Pack your bags and get out and go back to your country. Don’t forget your US passport, you’ll need it when they stop you. Oh that’s right you can’t leave yet because your government’s mission to destabilize Korea is not complete yet. What is your mission, tell the truth.

The ideology in question is democratization, feminism, “civil society”, multiculturism, globalism, socialism, i.e. progressivism

I’m not talking about that idiot.

I’m talking about your Trumpism, the plan to turn the world into a righting one party state dystopia.

62,000 Koreans in 2024 studying in American colleges and universities. Just about any degree these days comes packaged with sides of gender and queer studies with marxism sprinkled on top. Some colleges even teach how to slut it up in the dorms. It’ll make real marriage material out of the girls I’m sure.

https://theworld.org/stories/2024/06/13/to-prepare-for-college-in-the-us-some-south-korean-students-receive-an-international-education-close-to-home

Where is @setnaffa with his usual criticisms about posts being too long, now that Chicken Head has dropped a monster of a comment himself?

Chicken Head

If you had brains, you would have noticed the right-wingers’ tendency for double standards.

Realmeter Jan 16-17

Party support
PPP 46.5
DPK 39.0

Next presidential election
PPP 48.6%
Opposition 46.2%

Lol, maybe the KOPRA poll that found 40% support Yoon was more accurate than previously thought. This isn’t stopping DP(r)K’s “special poll comittee” from paying the company a “visit”. While they’re at it they might as well “visit” Gallup Korea, Realmeter, and the National Barometer.

1961 coup – Look out the window at Korea Glistening and say thanks for the coup. Without this, Korea might be closer to the Philippines right now.

Who said so? How do you know? Before 1961, it was Syngman Rhee, another rightwing dictator from day one. Korea didn’t have a non-rightwing government until December 1997. So how do you know?

1980 coup – This is not an easy topic to consider. I lean towards anyone who supresses communist stooges and pushes economic development that benefits those that work for it. But I am not qualified to talk about the specifics of this. Perhaps someone who got their PhD in it can give a definite answer. Otherwise, it is likely complex enough that every comment will be opinion.

Communist stooges who died in Gwangju? Who said so? You? You’re a disgusting human being.

Conclusion: Not all coups are bad. The left loves these actions when it causes perpetual chaos but hates it when it causes social order and economic advancement. This is in line with the left deriving its power from disorder.

You didn’t mention the 2024 one. Was that good coup too?

2. Financial Crisis

1997 IMF bailout – This was pan-Asian in nature but Korea had many structural issues that made it a problem. This was not a left/right issue. KYS was conservative and KDJ was liberal. They both had a part in doing an excellent job solving this.

What in the world? Kim Young Sam’s rule 1992 to 1997 came to an end, after his 5 year reign came to an end, and KDJ became the new president from 1997 to 2002. The IMF bailout happened on Dec 1997. How could KYS do an ‘excellent job solving this”???

2022-2024 Korean won/stock exchange collapses – Thanks, Moon, for the economic mismanagement of covid and following the globalist agenda to chisel away at the middle class whenever possible. His policies damaged small business and the middle class while helping big business (record profits) and multinationals. I would LOVE to discuss this further, if you dare.

What? Moon’s term ended in 2021. The COVID crisis that Moon managed, Korea came out relatively unscathed, compared to the most countries in the OECD. It was under Yoon, 2022 to 2024 where he mismanaged the economy, mismanaged Korea’s relations vis a vie with China and the US, saw Korea losing to both, with huge losses. Yoon stopped exporting to China because the US told him to do so. And Yoon basically took Korea’s cash and basically subsidized the American industries, hollowing out the economy.

3. Korea Press Freedom

It certainly seems the conservative right doesn’t like henpecking leftist media criticism or pro-north Korean propaganda. I don’t have an opinion on the specifics.

You don’t have an opinion because you can’t argue with real figures and numbers that speak for themselves and that you can’t deny.

4. Disasters

None of those were left/right issues. They were Korean cultural issues (much like the economic crises). Fortunately, Koreans are quick learners and these thing generally only happen once.

Still can’t explain why the biggest disasters in Korean history, always happened during the rightwing rule. Coincidence?

Conclusion: Stop blaming politics for fundamental human nature and culture.

Politics have everything to do. The rightwing in Korea are fundamentally more corrupt. Because they never got rid of the Chun Doo Hwan era people and never reformed. Chun Doo Hwan, Roh Tae Woo, Lee Myung Bak, Park Geun Hye, now Yoon, all went to prison. All of them rightwing. Syngman Rhee, also rightwing, was exhiled for corruption.

5. Korean Right’s Attitude to America.

Going down my list of countries that have been a net benefit to Korea, America comes out on top by far. America can change for the worse and conservatives (by nature) can be slow to react. But Trump has a clear track record of promoting the aspects of America that benefitted Korea. The outlook is good that Trump will be good for Korea despite his position on military costs and fair trade… which Korea is taking advantage of and can afford a more fair arrangement.

OK I had my laugh.

Korean companies moving to America has little to do with Korean politics. It has to do with American politics and, as these “Korean” companies are now globalized multinationals, they are looking out for themselves. Korean companies have been moving jobs to China, Europe, and SE Asia for a long time.

Korean companies moving to SEA and China is not the same as Korean companies moving to America. Korean companies moved to SEA and China because the costs were lower, and they grew Korea’s opportunity and investment. It was a voluntary move. Korean companies moved to the US because of US threats and tariffs. They were forced to move by American actions, and by Yoon’s poor negotiating skills. It makes zero sense to move Korean companies to the US where it costs twice, three times as much as the cost in Korea. I wouldn’t complain so hard if Yoon moved the Korean companies, but at the same time, brought something back in return for South Korea. He brought back nothing in return for all the things that could have been used for high leverage – Semiconductors, batteries, nuclear plants, military production, ship building – he had so much at his proposal to negotiate with the US. Yet he blew it big time. He threw away all the advantages Korea had, for nothing. He gave it all away for nothing in return. Now look at South Korea’s position, it has nothing left to work with, nothing left to negotiate with the next administrator in Trump. Good luck.

As for R&D, you do realize even after Yoon trimmed some fat, Korea is the #2 country in the world for R&D/GDP (behind Israel).

That was the work of Moon. Idiot. Yoon, all he did was cut and cut. Look at the latest numbers.

Yes, Russian women will go onto combat.

They will be issued shovels for fighting with the mission to collect microchips from washing machines because Russia will be out of missile in a week if they don’t.

It would be a shame for them to let women in the military, even in support rolls. I used to believe it was a good idea back when I was a “woman’s place is in the kitchen” misogynist.

But now that I am a “cooking is far too important to leave to women” misogynist, there is really no place for them.

Its a slippery slope.

First, it’s women.

Then fat women.

Then fat minority women.

Then something that isn’t even really women unless you are drunk.

Pretty soon, you forget how to do war and are overrun by shepherds and have to run away and leave everything behind (including the ones clinging to the landing gear).

Think this through, Russia.

During a press conference Tuesday afternoon from the White House President Donald Trump said he was considering a 10% tariff on China “based on the fact they’re sending fentanyl to Mexico and Canada,” as early as Feb. 1.

Trump said during his press conference that he had previously reached a deal with Chinese President Xi Jinping during the end of his first term to levy the death penalty against people in China trafficking fentanyl to North America, but asserted the deal was never followed through by Joe Biden.

“He should have followed up. Because if they got the death penalty they wouldn’t be sending fentanyl to Mexico, Canada and other places,” Trump said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/21/trump-says-hes-considering-10percent-tariff-on-china-beginning-as-soon-as-feb-1.html

Great catch, @Liz. Hopefully he gets what he earned.

Watching Trump operate is…

…glorious.

Of course the anti-Americans will have many things tied up in court.

But some of them will stick.

When I say anti-Americans, it is even worse than people who just hate America. There are many reason why people do (and should) hate America.

No.

These anti-Americans hate the idea of America.

They hate the America that broke away from the colonizers and succeeded. They hate that so many white people died so blacks could be free and eventually elected a black president. They hate America beat the Fascists and then the Communists. They hate that America’s brand of capitalism and free enterprise developed a high standard of living and exported that to the world. They hate that men successfully walked on the moon (and soon, Mars). They hate that the supply of real racism is so small most incidents are fake. They hate that no matter how much they encourage the poor to get dumber, more dependent, and larger in number, somehow America still stays in the top class of brainpower accomplishments. They hate the dismissive attitude towards inferior cultures and values but yell appropriation any time something positive is embraced. They hate that so many people can rely on themselves without living in fear, refuse to adopt a dependent victim mentality, and openly condemn those who do. They hate everything good that is American and they want to see it destroyed.

These are the people who will sue to keep the borders open and keep the taxpayer funding anchor babies. They will fight to keep America energy dependent. They will support anything that erodes the middle class. They will make sure inflation increases, wages go down, and expenses go up. They will sabotage government programs, from FEMA to fire departments, and then demand more. They will weaken the military. They will give money to our enemies and block actions in our interests.

Good luck, Trump.

Maybe he can make a difference if they dont kill him… perhaps with the new helicopter.

Now Trump is forcing government employees to (wait for it) come to work.
Madness.