ROK Drop Open Thread – March 6, 2016

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Tagum City Tim
8 years ago

So, who will replace Hillary Clinton on the Democratic ticket after she is indicted?

MTB Rider
8 years ago

You don’t see a lot of North Koreans wanting to go back, unless it looks like their families are being sent off to the camps, but this article was kind of interesting:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/08/world/asia/north-korean-defector-in-south-seeks-vietnams-help-to-return-home.html?_r=1

One of the more interesting lines was this one:

Ms. Kim, who was a dressmaker in the North, says that while on a trip to China in 2011, she met smugglers who promised to take her to South Korea, where they said she could make a lot of money quickly before returning home.

Um, how exactly was she going to make a lot of money (even by North Korean standards)? She’s kind of frumpy looking, so even guys with CH’s low standards are not likely to pay for a spin around the block. She’s a dressmaker, but North Korean fashions are rather old-fashioned. Don’t see her making money with her skill set, except at a consultant for K-Dramas focused on the never ending conflict between the two countries.

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
8 years ago

I don’t have low standards.

A ho came up to me and said, “Fifty bucks, baby… anything you like.”

I said, “Great! Paint my house.”

I think a frumpy North Korean certainly has a place in the free market… from making retro dresses to putting things in my azz while dressed as a librarian.

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
8 years ago

On another note…

…I just got back from Iran.

Fuuckity fuuck.

It is a real shame that America and Iran are “enemies”.

I don’t even know where to start.

This shiit should/can be worked out.

MTB Rider
8 years ago

Really? What were you doing in Iran?

I was in Junior High when a bunch of kids showed up at my school as new students. They were brown skinned, but not the usual Mexicans. I asked a couple of them where they were from, and they said Iran. I asked what was going on there, and they said everyone had gone crazy.

My ship was supposed to get a Humanitarian Medal for rescuing a bunch of Iranians who’s ship had capsized when they were shifting cargo below decks. The Navy decided that they weren’t going to approve the medal since we saved Iranians.

Later on, I was part of Operation Praying Mantis.

Liz
Liz
8 years ago

Interesting, CH.
Please tell us more! Start anywhere.

JoeC
JoeC
8 years ago

I don’t know if CH was serious @4 or not, but he should be.

A little review of not too distant history. In the summer of 2001, Iran elected a guy named Mohammad Khatami. Foreign experts said he was Iran’s first reformist president. While he was still subject to the authority of the Ayatollahs, his election was seen as an indication that the Iranian people really wanted change and an incremental movement toward normalization with the rest of the world.

A few months later 9/11 happened. But, maybe little known to most people, in the early days of our Afghanistan conflict we were actually working with Iran.

After the 9/11 attacks, the situation changed. According to Kenneth Pollack, a former CIA intelligence analyst on the Middle East, while members of the sixplus-two group, such as Russia and Pakistan, opposed a U.S. invasion of Afghanistan, Iran supported the plan. Officials from the United States and Iran began meeting outside the six-plus-two forum to develop a plan to topple the Taliban. These meetings became known as the Geneva Contact Group, and although the Germans, Italians and the United Nations provided some political cover for these discussions, the group’s focus was U.S.-Iran cooperation on Afghanistan. Iran not provided reliable intelligence regarding the Taliban, it arrested and deported hundredsof Al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters who had crossed into the country for sanctuary.

Pollack adds that the Iranian government also provided search and rescue for downed U.S. aircrew members. Iran permitted the offloading of humanitarian supplies at its port of Chah Bahar for transport into Afghanistan, and offered access to airfields near the Afghan border for use by U.S. transport aircraft. Iran also supported the initial discussions between the United States and the Northern Alliance, which enabled subsequent military success against the Taliban. After the fall of the Taliban regime in late 2001, Iran played a critical role in international efforts to establish a new Afghan government and pledged and honored commitments toward Afghanistan’s reconstruction. Through interaction with Iranian diplomats in this forum, U.S. officials succeeded in curbing the anti-U.S. activities of Iran’s security and intelligence services inside Afghanistan. Whether motivated by national interest or international goodwill, Tehran’s participation in the Geneva Contact Group demonstrates a pragmatic foreign-policy approach indicating that U.S. engagement with Iran on common areas of interest in Afghanistan is achievable, despite disagreements on unrelated issues.

This seemed to be another incremental step towards normalizing relations with Iran, but in January 2002, GWB felt the need to proclaim that Iran was part of the Axis of Evil … Face palm. Those reform minded Iranians were back on the streets with their more extreme brothers shouting, “Death to America.”

Iran just had an election where, we are told, the moderates came out on top. It’s too soon to know what that really means.

There are still some segments of their population, and ours, that have a vested interest in remaining enemies as long as possible, but those segments may be decreasing. And we’ve already got enough enemies in that region. Al Queda and ISIS are extremist Sunnis who hate Shiites, Iran’s dominant branch of Islam, as much as they hate us.

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
8 years ago

Iranian girls are a little thick in the butt… but Jebus… they look, dress, and act like strippers.

That was the second most shocking thing I experienced in the last year.

(The first being introduced to the “passion gap”).

setnaffa
setnaffa
8 years ago

CH, there’s nice girls everywhere… You just need to avoid using terms like “giggity”…

And the stuff that needs to change is the Iranian leadership that thinks this is okay:

http://www.rferl.org/content/Who_Are_Irans_Vigilantes/1772500.html

And punishing people for choosing a different religion than the State wants…

Liz
Liz
8 years ago

I’ve read that although pre-marital sex is against the law in Iran, they are allowed to have very short marriages (like, one hour…and I guess if it’s a prostitute the guy pays one hour’s worth of alimony).
Interesting stuff, CH.

MTB Rider
8 years ago

Interesting article by Dr. Lankov:
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2016/03/north-korea-virtually-lose-nuclear-pyongyang-sanctions-160308063242318.html

Nothing especially new, except that the current round of sanctions are the harshest ever. Add to this the fact that one of the DPRK’s relatively small fleet of cargo vessels has been impounded in the Philippines, and that both China and Russia have signed on to the sanctions makes things interesting.

Unfortunately, these expectations are unfounded. The North Korean ruling elite believe that the country needs nuclear weapons to counter foreign threats, and they remember well the sorry end of Muammar Gaddafi, the only strongman who agreed to surrender his nuclear programme.

Nor do they forget what happened to Ukraine, a country which, in 1994, was given international guarantees over its territorial integrity as a reward for its willingness not to retain Soviet-era nuclear weapons.

The North knows that “playing ball” with the West insures nothing. George W. Bush got Quadaffi to give up with WMD program, and was butt-raaped with a dagger for his efforts. I don’t think Fatty Kim trusts the U.S. to play nice and treat North Korea like Cuba if he walks away from his daily threats.

MTB Rider
8 years ago

Business Insider tends to be a bit Hawkish, but this year’s OPLAN besides being one of the biggest in years, also includes “decapitation strikes.” The goals have always been there, just never stated as boldly as this time. I always heard “Defensive in Nature” when the annual training went on.
http://www.businessinsider.com/ap-talk-of-beheading-strike-option-fans-koreas-tension-2016-3

blockquote>SO WHAT HAVE REPORTS BEEN SAYING?

Since about June, when the new plan was signed, South Korean media have been reporting the new operation plan includes pre-emptive and decapitation strikes. More has come out since the North’s nuclear test in January and rocket launch last month, as Seoul’s government has tried to underscore its tough stance vis-a-vis Pyongyang.

According to South Korea’s Yonhap news agency, the Key Resolve-Foal Eagle exercises will include training and simulations of surgical, pre-emptive strikes on nuclear and missile sites, along with training for a “beheading operation” aimed at removing Kim Jong Un and toppling his government in the event of a war. It has also reported that another set of exercises, now being held by U.S. and South Korean marines, features training for amphibious landings on North Korean shores and, again, attacks on North Korea’s leadership.

We “kinda-sorta’ planned that against Saddam Hussein, but it didn’t quite pan out as planned. Saddam had many bunkers, and was able to go to ground for a surprisingly long time. The Kims have prepared for exactly this since the 1950s, so unless we have some very good HUMINT on the ground, it’s a guessing game as to where Kim Jong Un will be having dinner at any given moment.

On the Other Hand, there’s not a big bloc of organized and outside supported forces within North Korea the way the Iranians had in Iraq with the Shi’ite/Sunni forces. Once Saddam went down, his more powerful but fewer by population support collapsed into feuding factions. The DPRK’s compartmentalization may keep various factions from becoming troublesome for the ROK and US Armies, especially if the U.S. stays South of the DMZ during rebuilding operations.

I’m also wondering if President Park is still a tad raw all these years after the DPRK killed her mother…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mk_f75TS1A

setnaffa
setnaffa
8 years ago

Lankhove, as a regular in Guardian and Al jazeeracircles, has as much of my attention as David Brooks supposed “Republican” viewpoint in the New York Times. I am sure he knows more about North Korea than I do; but I also think his long-term interests are not the same as mine. I don’t think he minds the Nork regime. And I do think he despises the West. 😯

I’d love to be proven wrong. But not if it means reading the Guardian or Al jazeera. 😛

Liz
Liz
8 years ago

LOL GI!
😀

johnnyboy
johnnyboy
8 years ago

Regardless of fanaticism or nationalism in North Korea, I have to think that a regime change/collapse/revolution would go over better there than in any of the Muslim countries we have attempted to spread democracy to.

Of course there would still be chaos and turmoil for quite some time, but at least there wouldn’t be any followers of the prophet looking to shiit in everybody’s cornflakes because their particular brand of idiocy wasn’t getting enough attention.

setnaffa
setnaffa
8 years ago

Given thar people who only have a history of being ruled by a dictator/pasha/whatever see negotiation as the tactic of losers, how about we replicate our post WW2 success next time we want to do “Nation-Building”. In Japan and Germany, we went in, told them how it was going to be, and occupied them for many years.

Alternately, we tell people the “No better friend, no worse enemy” tale and nuke them “back to the stone age” if they attack us. Otherwise do our best to leave them ruthlessly on their own, except as they want to sell up raw materials or buy our finished goods.

YMMV.

johnnyboy
johnnyboy
8 years ago

On the CNN homepage for about half the attention span of the average American…..

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/09/us/kansas-shootings-suspect-arrest/

Too bad it wasn’t a white guy right? Would have been an awesome lead…….

johnnyboy
johnnyboy
8 years ago

No more Wachowski brothers’ films.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/08/entertainment/wachowski-sisters-transgender/?iid=ob_lockedrail_bottomlarge&iref=obnetwork

Maybe people will pay attention to their movies again. Wouldn’t it be transphobic to give them a bad review?

Setnaffa
Setnaffa
8 years ago

@19, I don’t think the paperwork errors were entirely unplanned. There are folks in the bureacracy that want us all disarmed, on our knees, begging them for a handful of rice… With no other place to get it…

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
8 years ago

Almost time for Trump to Willie Horton their azzes.

When he is done, the American public should think Pablo Antonio Serrano-Vitorino is Hillary’s running mate.

johnnyboy
johnnyboy
8 years ago

Not sure if this goes against GI’s policies but I met this little guy when I was in the PI. He has a heart defect which has recently come to rear its ugly head. I don’t want to bother any of you but if anyone wanted to donate a small amount to help alleviate his medical expenses I have helped my wife’s family set up a crowdfunding account. Any amount would be very much appreciated.

https://www.generosity.com/medical-fundraising/zyljan-needs-heart-surgery/x/13554776

If anyone has any ideas on a better crowdfunding site, I would appreciate that information as well.

Liz
Liz
8 years ago

Hope everything goes well for the little boy, Johnnyboy. 🙁
(I put some change into the hat)

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-five-women-fight-spirit-airlines-boombox-20160309-story.html
Five women get into a confrontation on Spirit airline
Women are really rude and confrontational these days.
(I mean, the stupid drunk cracks blaring the music and saying, “Whatchagonnadoaboutit?”…I’d have gone over there and confronted them too. Good grief)
I wonder where the flight attendants were?
Spirit is a crappy airline.

johnnyboy
johnnyboy
8 years ago

Thank you very much, Liz and everyone. Very generous of you, madam.

I am sure thoughts and prayers would be appreciated by the family as well, for those of us who are the thinking or praying type. Tough to think about what some children endure, isn’t it?

Liz
Liz
8 years ago

My pleasure. 🙂

“Tough to think about what some children endure, isn’t it?”
Yes, I’m not sure I could ever be a peds nurse. It’s hard to see children suffer. 🙁
I can’t imagine what this is like for the parents. I feel very very blessed. My thoughts and prayers are with them.

johnnyboy
johnnyboy
8 years ago

The Rok Drop is tugging at my heartstrings right now. You guys have been the majority of donations. I really appreciate the generosity and I know the family does even more.

Hopefully none of you will ever have a need such as this one, but if you ever do I would be honored to help any way I can.

setnaffa
setnaffa
8 years ago

Sorry to break into lesser things. Is GG Kang’s place still in business? Is there another tailor in Itaewon or Songtan you might recommend?

JoeC
JoeC
8 years ago

Rarity? USFK commander gets a follow-on command.

I went back through their histories. Unless I missed something, the last USFK commander to receive a follow-on assignment was John Wickham, who went on to become Army Chief of Staff from 83-87. His predecessor, John Vessey was given Army Vice Chief of Staff from 79-82, then became Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff from 82-85.

The only USFK commander given a follow-on job as regional commander was Dwight Beach as commander US Army Pacific from 66-88. Scaparrotti will be the second to get a follow-on regional command.

To complete the list, the first USFK commander. George Decker left USFK to become Army Vice Chief of Staff from 59-60 and Army Chief of Staff from 60-62.

setnaffa
setnaffa
8 years ago

Good research, JoeC!

JoeC
JoeC
8 years ago

Typo @29: “..Dwight Beach as commander US Army Pacific from 66-68.”

setnaffa
setnaffa
8 years ago

Good news?

A. “The U.S. Navy will likely increase its requirement for a 308-ship fleet given the rapidly changing world security situation, including the U.S. battle against Islamic State, Chief of Naval Operations Admiral John Richardson said on Thursday.” http://www.maritime-executive.com/article/us-navy-likely-to-increase-fleet-size-target

B. “Perhaps the only thing U.S. military leaders know about their next fighter jet is this: they want the program to go better than the F-35’s did.” http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2016/03/f-35-chief-think-very-very-hard-making-another-joint-fighter/126587/?oref=defenseone_today_nl

C. “The Pentagon’s emerging ‘Arsenal Plane’ or ‘flying bomb truck’ is likely to be a modified, high-tech adaptation of the iconic B-52 bomber designed to fire air-to-air weapons, release swarms of mini-drones and provide additional fire-power to 5th generation stealth fighters such as the F-35 and F-22, Pentagon officials and analysts said.” http://www.scout.com/military/warrior/story/1650624-pentagon-arsenal-plane-likely-to-be-b-52

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
8 years ago

Q: What is long and hard, filled with bubbling seamen, and thrust deep into a salty crevice?

A:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/11/politics/u-s-says-north-korean-submarine-missing/

Liz
Liz
8 years ago

Imagine what it’s like to be a DPRK submariner. 🙁
Probably better to be an inmate in a Siberian prison.

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
8 years ago

“Imagine what it’s like to be a DPRK submariner.”

You go down ten men and… and… and…

JoeC
JoeC
8 years ago

U. S. anti-ISIS CAS got more retro.

When A-10s came to USFK in the 80’s they replaced OV-10s.

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