@Denny
Everybody knew, should have known, it was coming. Trump has to start his pivot into the population mass he needs for the general election. It’s what a good salesman/politician does.
Liz
8 years ago
We have the minutes from the Japanese war cabinet meetings so we know exactly what their reaction to the big three events was (2 bombs and the Soviet invasion of Manchuria) and we know that it took all three of these events to force the japanese emperor into a personal intervention to break a STILL deadlocked cabinet over the issue of surrender. So even after two bombs AND the loss of the Japanese forces in manchuria, the cabinet was still deadlocked.
Further, once they did agree upon surrender, there was an attempted coup to put the Emperor in ‘protective custory’ and continue the war. This coup nearly succeeded and was backed by a significant portion of the army high command. So not only was Japan NOT about to surrender, they almost did not surrender even WITH the bombs being dropped and the Soviet invasion.
But since I know that any article on the internet with the word “Truth” at the top must be true…that “truth out” article so very surprising!
JoeC
8 years ago
BTW, I’ve been trying to give Trump the benefit of the doubt and listen to what he says, but his speaking style makes it very difficult for me to understand what he means.
He doesn’t speak in coherent prose or narratives. His comments often come out as a blast of disconnected, sometimes non-sequitur statements, as if someone threw a jumble of puzzle pieces out on the floor and it’s left to listeners to reassemble them in some meaningful form.
I tried listening to him explain why, what was interpreted as he was willing to default on the national debt, is not what he really meant. It was a messy mix of something about how his personal experiences with debt in his businesses was related to what we should do about the national debt. I’m sure many of his fans will pick up a few pieces and walk any thinking that probably makes sense. I tried reassembling it but couldn’t come up with a coherent understanding of what he was trying to say.
It may be an effective way of getting many people to believe he’s saying what they want to hear. At the same time, leaving himself an escape to say that what they believe he said was not what he really meant.
Liz
8 years ago
-The anti Hill vote is a perfectly legitimate reason to support Trump.
and
-He has gotten himself out of deep debt at least three times that I know of.
Liz
8 years ago
Today’s Scott Adams blog post on Trump and persuasion: “One thing we know about Donald Trump is that he doesn’t apologize. He doesn’t apologize when he is wrong. He doesn’t apologize when he is offensive. He doesn’t apologize for mistakes. As crazy as that sounds, I have blogged that it gives him a sort of superpower for negotiating. He creates an expectation that Donald Trump never budges even while he makes other people budge all the time.
For example, on the news this morning I heard that Speaker Ryan said he would step down from managing the Republican Convention if Trump asks him to do so. I have to assume that managing a convention is a terrible job and not something Ryan wants to do anyway. Ryan is simply being smart, practical, and reasonable. But it looks to the public that Trump can influence Ryan while Ryan can’t influence Trump. That pattern is important to Trump. It sets the table for how people deal with him in the future. Specifically, it tells people they are going to lose when they try to negotiate with him. That sort of expectation hardens into reality over time and gives him a tremendous psychological advantage. Trump knows that. (Remember that he wrote the book on negotiating, literally.)
When you are Donald Trump, apologizing is a bad strategy, even though apologizing makes perfect sense for other types of leaders. Other leaders are not emphasizing their deal-making skills. Trump is playing an entirely different game of persuasion.
Now here’s the interesting part. Given Trump’s reputation for not apologizing, he can create an unusual amount of attention if he ever breaks pattern. A sincere Trump apology – about anything – would control the news cycle for a week. So he can save that magic bullet until needed.
Just for fun, let me tell you how he could use the Apology Gambit to help solve his biggest problem – his negatives with women. Specifically, Trump could apologize for all of the offensive things he has ever said about women.
But to be persuasive, here’s the best form:
Example Trump Apology Gambit:
Trump: I have said a lot of offensive things about both men and women.
(This frames the issue as Trump insults everyone.)
Trump: But today I would like to apologize to women.
(There’s your news juice. He EXCLUDES men from the apology. What???)
I apologize to women for all the offensive things I’ve said in the past. I’m an equal-opportunity offender, but I understand the sensitivity when it crosses gender, and I apologize to women for that. No one respects women more than Donald Trump.
(Sincere apologies are persuasive.)
Trump: And I call on Hillary Clinton to do the same, and apologize for her mistreatment of the women her husband abused.
(That’s the trap. In this hypothetical, Trump reframes the gender issue so we see that Trump is an equal opportunity offender, but only with words, whereas Clinton has an alleged history of mistreating women with actions. And Clinton can’t apologize for her alleged actions without admitting they are true.
Apologies are like catnip to the media. Journalists would make Trump repeat his sincere apology a hundred times in different interviews and debates, and they would prod Clinton to apologize as Trump suggested – which won’t happen. So the apology and the non-apology would become the dual headlines.
I’m not suggesting that Trump apologize to anyone. That is a political calculation. I’m only viewing this hypothetical example from a persuasion perspective, so you can see how some of the persuasion methods work.”
ChickenHead
8 years ago
“Nuking Japan wasn’t needed to “save American lives.””
Well… that nonsense has been dismissed by real historians…
…but even if that were true, it does not matter.
“When people wrong you, go after those people because it is a good feeling and because other people will see you doing it.”
We should have properly identified the villains of 9/11 and given them all some nuke-grade conventional payback as quickly as possible wherever it hurt the most… with a warning to others to confine their activities to Europe and the occasional Canadian.
BTW… Trump said that quote. I live by it.
“Lt.” Jason Davis is due for yet another firing at his (pathetic but stereotypical) job… once his monthly debt starts to level off… why not let him dig his own hole a little deeper.
As a bonus, his baby will start getting more expensive about the time he gets fired… hopefully leading to so much stess that he goes to jail for spousal abuse…
…as child abuse is too crappy to wish for… even for me in this situation.
It is not time yet… but I will eventually share a satisfying story of revenge that put some true good in the world by taking some bad out…
…and this story was big enough you can find it on-line… though, like all “news” that I know about, the official story exists in the parallel reality of politics and media fiction… as the result was reported but the situation was misrepresented.
Tbonetylr
8 years ago
Could it be YOU have a problem with a female Commander-in-Chief?
I knew you is all a bunch of Whitney bigoted DF’s…
My guess is that the email scandal is a big factor in the way military and veterans will be voting. Sucks to know you had to play by the rules with sensitive information and someone who flouted the same rules has a possibility of being the next president.
Then again, we are such a small percentage of the voting class that it likely won’t matter how we vote.
Liz
8 years ago
“Trump dodged the Vietnam draft five times.”
Unfortunately, that stopped mattering back when the public voted for the guy who visited the USSR during the Vietnam war (but didn’t inhale) over a war hero.
@Chickenhead, you hinted at it so what is the latest on the Davis front?
MTB Rider
8 years ago
I’m curious too. I did a Google News search, and came up with several Jason D. Davis articles. Since I don’t know his age, I’m not sure which one (if any) was him. A few had pics, so I was able to eliminate a couple, but the rest came up with just a name and location.
Tbonetylr
8 years ago
“Well… that nonsense has been dismissed by real historians…”
With the link below, that is two sources suggesting the nukes were not needed. Don’t know what”real historians” you speak of 🙄
Did the U.S. military feel strongly that the bomb had to be used?
No!
ChickenHead
8 years ago
Relax… just wait for it.
Jim Lethbridge
8 years ago
I live in New Jersey, USA. I am interested in corresponding with a Military Historian in Korea who is familiar with US Marine Corps 1st Div. operations around Uijeongbu, October 1950.
MTB Rider
8 years ago
I’m waiting on a couple things from the Chickenhead files. I’m patient.
Tbonetylr
8 years ago
VA PRIVATIZED under Trump, he’s got public restrooms AND the VA correct!!!
Donald Trump Adviser Signals Plan to Change Veterans’ Health Care
In an attempt to be an Equal Opportunity Offender to its few allies, North Korea has seized a Russian yacht 80 miles off its coast: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36293326
A Russian yacht has been detained by North Korean coastguards in the Sea of Japan, Russia’s foreign ministry says.
Reports say the sailboat with five crew on board was intercepted as it was returning to Russia after participating in a competition in South Korea.
So, once again, the DPRK Navy is acting like a band of pirates. I sort of miss making our old buddy Tom squirm when the norKs seized a Chinese fishing vessel and held it for ransom. Since neither the North, nor China ever do anything bad, it took me a week chasing him across this site to get him to eventually say the Chinese fishermen were in the wrong. Takes a long time to get the “Committee on $.50 Warriors” to come up with a policy position sometimes.
Tbonetylr
8 years ago
GOPer Hates Japs
Really? Congressman Peter King Uses Anti-Asian Slur On TV???
Caught on Video below…
King used a derogatory term for Japanese-Americans on “Morning Joe” and refused to apologize http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57367f4ae4b077d4d6f337e0
“Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.), appearing on live television Friday, dredged up a racial slur from the annals of wartime history.”
ChickenHead
8 years ago
“You know, why pay for the Japs, why pay for the Koreans?’”
That is a stupid quote. Obviously, he should have used Japanese and Koreans… as those are equivalent.
If he wished to use Japs, for nationalist equality and literary balance, he needed to match it with Gooks.
@MTB, I kind of figured Kim would not want to play hardball with Putin. He is probably getting a lot of illicit goods from the Russians to get by the sanctions.
setnaffa
8 years ago
Not to mention what happened to the folks who kidnapped Russkies in ’73… They don’t negotiate the same way Dhimmicrats do…
Trump now says he wants to raise minimum wage, taxes on wealthy
http://nypost.com/2016/05/08/trump-wants-to-raise-minimum-wage-says-the-wealthy-are-willing-to-pay-higher-taxes/
I am literally astonished that there are so many gullible people in the world… I guess it’s the rope-smoking… 😥
Nuking Japan wasn’t needed to “save American lives.”
The Untold History of US War Crimes
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/35944-the-untold-history-of-us-war-crimes
GOP secs scandals are covered up by FoxNOTnews by putting a ‘D’ before the actual GOPer’s name…
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2009/6/24/746456/-
@Denny
Everybody knew, should have known, it was coming. Trump has to start his pivot into the population mass he needs for the general election. It’s what a good salesman/politician does.
We have the minutes from the Japanese war cabinet meetings so we know exactly what their reaction to the big three events was (2 bombs and the Soviet invasion of Manchuria) and we know that it took all three of these events to force the japanese emperor into a personal intervention to break a STILL deadlocked cabinet over the issue of surrender. So even after two bombs AND the loss of the Japanese forces in manchuria, the cabinet was still deadlocked.
Further, once they did agree upon surrender, there was an attempted coup to put the Emperor in ‘protective custory’ and continue the war. This coup nearly succeeded and was backed by a significant portion of the army high command. So not only was Japan NOT about to surrender, they almost did not surrender even WITH the bombs being dropped and the Soviet invasion.
But since I know that any article on the internet with the word “Truth” at the top must be true…that “truth out” article so very surprising!
BTW, I’ve been trying to give Trump the benefit of the doubt and listen to what he says, but his speaking style makes it very difficult for me to understand what he means.
He doesn’t speak in coherent prose or narratives. His comments often come out as a blast of disconnected, sometimes non-sequitur statements, as if someone threw a jumble of puzzle pieces out on the floor and it’s left to listeners to reassemble them in some meaningful form.
I tried listening to him explain why, what was interpreted as he was willing to default on the national debt, is not what he really meant. It was a messy mix of something about how his personal experiences with debt in his businesses was related to what we should do about the national debt. I’m sure many of his fans will pick up a few pieces and walk any thinking that probably makes sense. I tried reassembling it but couldn’t come up with a coherent understanding of what he was trying to say.
It may be an effective way of getting many people to believe he’s saying what they want to hear. At the same time, leaving himself an escape to say that what they believe he said was not what he really meant.
-The anti Hill vote is a perfectly legitimate reason to support Trump.
and
-He has gotten himself out of deep debt at least three times that I know of.
Today’s Scott Adams blog post on Trump and persuasion:
“One thing we know about Donald Trump is that he doesn’t apologize. He doesn’t apologize when he is wrong. He doesn’t apologize when he is offensive. He doesn’t apologize for mistakes. As crazy as that sounds, I have blogged that it gives him a sort of superpower for negotiating. He creates an expectation that Donald Trump never budges even while he makes other people budge all the time.
For example, on the news this morning I heard that Speaker Ryan said he would step down from managing the Republican Convention if Trump asks him to do so. I have to assume that managing a convention is a terrible job and not something Ryan wants to do anyway. Ryan is simply being smart, practical, and reasonable. But it looks to the public that Trump can influence Ryan while Ryan can’t influence Trump. That pattern is important to Trump. It sets the table for how people deal with him in the future. Specifically, it tells people they are going to lose when they try to negotiate with him. That sort of expectation hardens into reality over time and gives him a tremendous psychological advantage. Trump knows that. (Remember that he wrote the book on negotiating, literally.)
When you are Donald Trump, apologizing is a bad strategy, even though apologizing makes perfect sense for other types of leaders. Other leaders are not emphasizing their deal-making skills. Trump is playing an entirely different game of persuasion.
Now here’s the interesting part. Given Trump’s reputation for not apologizing, he can create an unusual amount of attention if he ever breaks pattern. A sincere Trump apology – about anything – would control the news cycle for a week. So he can save that magic bullet until needed.
Just for fun, let me tell you how he could use the Apology Gambit to help solve his biggest problem – his negatives with women. Specifically, Trump could apologize for all of the offensive things he has ever said about women.
But to be persuasive, here’s the best form:
Example Trump Apology Gambit:
Trump: I have said a lot of offensive things about both men and women.
(This frames the issue as Trump insults everyone.)
Trump: But today I would like to apologize to women.
(There’s your news juice. He EXCLUDES men from the apology. What???)
I apologize to women for all the offensive things I’ve said in the past. I’m an equal-opportunity offender, but I understand the sensitivity when it crosses gender, and I apologize to women for that. No one respects women more than Donald Trump.
(Sincere apologies are persuasive.)
Trump: And I call on Hillary Clinton to do the same, and apologize for her mistreatment of the women her husband abused.
(That’s the trap. In this hypothetical, Trump reframes the gender issue so we see that Trump is an equal opportunity offender, but only with words, whereas Clinton has an alleged history of mistreating women with actions. And Clinton can’t apologize for her alleged actions without admitting they are true.
Apologies are like catnip to the media. Journalists would make Trump repeat his sincere apology a hundred times in different interviews and debates, and they would prod Clinton to apologize as Trump suggested – which won’t happen. So the apology and the non-apology would become the dual headlines.
I’m not suggesting that Trump apologize to anyone. That is a political calculation. I’m only viewing this hypothetical example from a persuasion perspective, so you can see how some of the persuasion methods work.”
“Nuking Japan wasn’t needed to “save American lives.””
Well… that nonsense has been dismissed by real historians…
…but even if that were true, it does not matter.
“When people wrong you, go after those people because it is a good feeling and because other people will see you doing it.”
We should have properly identified the villains of 9/11 and given them all some nuke-grade conventional payback as quickly as possible wherever it hurt the most… with a warning to others to confine their activities to Europe and the occasional Canadian.
BTW… Trump said that quote. I live by it.
“Lt.” Jason Davis is due for yet another firing at his (pathetic but stereotypical) job… once his monthly debt starts to level off… why not let him dig his own hole a little deeper.
As a bonus, his baby will start getting more expensive about the time he gets fired… hopefully leading to so much stess that he goes to jail for spousal abuse…
…as child abuse is too crappy to wish for… even for me in this situation.
It is not time yet… but I will eventually share a satisfying story of revenge that put some true good in the world by taking some bad out…
…and this story was big enough you can find it on-line… though, like all “news” that I know about, the official story exists in the parallel reality of politics and media fiction… as the result was reported but the situation was misrepresented.
Could it be YOU have a problem with a female Commander-in-Chief?
I knew you is all a bunch of Whitney bigoted DF’s…
Military Times survey: Troops prefer Trump to Clinton by a huge margin
http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/election/2016/05/09/military-times-survey-donald-trump-beats-hillary-clinton/84132402/
“In a new survey of American military personnel, Donald Trump emerged as active-duty service members’ preference to become the next U.S. president, topping Hillary Clinton by more than a 2-to-1 margin.
Trump dodged the Vietnam draft five times.
My guess is that the email scandal is a big factor in the way military and veterans will be voting. Sucks to know you had to play by the rules with sensitive information and someone who flouted the same rules has a possibility of being the next president.
Then again, we are such a small percentage of the voting class that it likely won’t matter how we vote.
“Trump dodged the Vietnam draft five times.”
Unfortunately, that stopped mattering back when the public voted for the guy who visited the USSR during the Vietnam war (but didn’t inhale) over a war hero.
@Chickenhead, you hinted at it so what is the latest on the Davis front?
I’m curious too. I did a Google News search, and came up with several Jason D. Davis articles. Since I don’t know his age, I’m not sure which one (if any) was him. A few had pics, so I was able to eliminate a couple, but the rest came up with just a name and location.
“Well… that nonsense has been dismissed by real historians…”
With the link below, that is two sources suggesting the nukes were not needed. Don’t know what”real historians” you speak of 🙄
Good on Obama for visiting Hiroshima ❗
‘BEYOND THE SMITHSONIAN FLAP: HISTORIANS’ NEW CONSENSUS on Nuking Japan
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1994/10/16/beyond-the-smithsonian-flap-historians-new-consensus/75689ba6-e078-4cba-a9ea-7a70fd1d8a74/
…”.,,The consensus among scholars is that the bomb was not needed to avoid an invasion of Japan . . . . It is clear that alternatives to the bomb existed and that Truman and his advisers knew it.”
Did the U.S. military feel strongly that the bomb had to be used?
No!
Relax… just wait for it.
I live in New Jersey, USA. I am interested in corresponding with a Military Historian in Korea who is familiar with US Marine Corps 1st Div. operations around Uijeongbu, October 1950.
I’m waiting on a couple things from the Chickenhead files. I’m patient.
VA PRIVATIZED under Trump, he’s got public restrooms AND the VA correct!!!
Donald Trump Adviser Signals Plan to Change Veterans’ Health Care
GOP front-runner would likely push VA toward privatization, shift to an insurance model
http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-adviser-signals-plan-to-change-veterans-health-care-1463064129
“Donald Trump says the Department of Veterans Affairs’ health-care system is badly broken, and this week his campaign released some guidelines that would steer changes he would implement if he wins the presidency.”
It’s my experience that the wide majority here are GOPers/conservative and so since I’ve personally noticed, the article below fits perfectly like the OJ glove…
http://scottbarrykaufman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Psychological-Science-2012-Hodson-0956797611421206.pdf
“Over the past decade, several studies have shown that people who tend to hold more conservative views score low on measures of intelligence.”
In an attempt to be an Equal Opportunity Offender to its few allies, North Korea has seized a Russian yacht 80 miles off its coast:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36293326
So, once again, the DPRK Navy is acting like a band of pirates. I sort of miss making our old buddy Tom squirm when the norKs seized a Chinese fishing vessel and held it for ransom. Since neither the North, nor China ever do anything bad, it took me a week chasing him across this site to get him to eventually say the Chinese fishermen were in the wrong. Takes a long time to get the “Committee on $.50 Warriors” to come up with a policy position sometimes.
GOPer Hates Japs
Really? Congressman Peter King Uses Anti-Asian Slur On TV???
Caught on Video below…
King used a derogatory term for Japanese-Americans on “Morning Joe” and refused to apologize
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57367f4ae4b077d4d6f337e0
“Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.), appearing on live television Friday, dredged up a racial slur from the annals of wartime history.”
“You know, why pay for the Japs, why pay for the Koreans?’”
That is a stupid quote. Obviously, he should have used Japanese and Koreans… as those are equivalent.
If he wished to use Japs, for nationalist equality and literary balance, he needed to match it with Gooks.
Why are you so anti-Japanese, Congressman King?
Catch… and Release:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-officials-north-korea-released-detained-yacht-115838110.html
I guess Fatty Kim really doesn’t want to mess with Crazy Ivan. Probably a good idea.
@MTB, I kind of figured Kim would not want to play hardball with Putin. He is probably getting a lot of illicit goods from the Russians to get by the sanctions.
Not to mention what happened to the folks who kidnapped Russkies in ’73… They don’t negotiate the same way Dhimmicrats do…
http://articles.philly.com/1986-01-15/news/26052630_1_hostage-crisis-soviet-captives-islamic-liberation-organization