Protest against JapanActivists stage a rally in central Seoul on Aug. 31, 2019, calling for Japan to make sincere efforts to settle historical feuds stemming from its 1910-45 colonization of the Korean Peninsula. (Yonhap)
My guess is that those protesters and the typical Korean are so uneducated to the point that they do not realize the following;
1. Japan paid USD 800 mil to the ROK government
2. Japan initially offered to pay compensation to the affected individuals but the ROK government rejected this and insisted that all payments be made to the ROK government.
3. The ROK government agreed to demand no further compensation from Japan after receiving the payment.
4. The ROK government took the money from
Japan and used it to build Pohang Steel and the Seoul-Busan Expressway among others.
5. The 1965 treaty states ‘ The High Contracting Parties confirm that the problems concerning property, rights, and interests of the two High Contracting Parties and their peoples (including juridical persons) and the claims between the High Contracting Parties and between their peoples, including those stipulated in Article IV(a) of the Peace Treaty with Japan signed at the city of San Francisco on September 8, 1951, have been settled completely and finally.’
If they still want to protest, it’s a free country, however instead of looking stupid by protesting against the Japanese, they should protest against the ROK government and Pohang Steel.
Roses1
5 years ago
MSS, I can assure you, most Koreans know about it all.
Except you’re pretty ignorant when you say the 1965 peace treaty with Japan nullified the rights by individuals to sue for compensation, and pretty much echo the Japanese rightwing government’s position on this issue. The South Korean supreme court’s decision is separate from the state. Just like how the Canadian supreme court ordered the house arrest of Huawei executive when the US put out the arrest for her.
Really by Seoul standards this is a tiny protest. Moon is going to have to work a little harder to drum up anti-Japan sentiment which may be why the ruling party politicians made their little trip to Dokdo.
Roses1, you are pretty ignorant and I can assure you that you have not read the South Korean supreme court’s decision. You wrote “the court’s decision is separate from the state” No. the court’s decision is separate from the 1965 treaty. The court said, essentially, that a colonization is legally invalid therefore the conscription, aka “forced labor”, is illegal, so Japan must pay individual compensation. This court ruling effectively nullify the bilateral 1965 basic treaty between Japan and South Korea.
I wrote an entry a while ago, so if you interested, here is the page. https://koreasparkling.wordpress.com/2018/12/09/illegal-colonial-rule-effect/
All South Korea is doing is providing Japan, China, and the rest of the world reason to think Koreans are dishonest.
Sometimes, a person (or indeed a country) with integrity needs to accept what they signed and accepted money for. Lessons learned can educate future decisions and future generations; but honorable people never go back on their word.
I continue to be disappointed in South Korea. One expects Koreans to somehow be better than their neighbors, not the same or worse.
charliem
5 years ago
I can recall when Korean steel was causing the shutdown of steel factories in the US. That money was a springboard for the Korean Miracle. I wonder if the court will order the money returned with interest if the agreement is invalid.
Roses1
5 years ago
Toru@koreasparkling, so you are justifying Japan’s use of economic weapons to resolve a political issue, is this correct?
Japan’s official reason for trade sanctions against South Korea was that South Korea was selling dangerous chemicals to the enemy. But they gave no proof, nor any chance for South Korea to respond back before Japan put up their economic retaliation. Japan officially denies that the South Korean supreme court decision had anything to do with it.
So which is it? Is because South Korea is selling dangerous weapons to the unnamed enemy, or is it because of the supreme court ruling?
I remember the Middle East countries decided to not sell their oil to the United States in the 1970’s over the US support for Israel. Use of an economic attack over a political issue. You are justifying this.
Roses1, WHERE THE F**K DID YOU GET THIS IDEA? > “so you are justifying Japan’s use of economic weapons to resolve a political issue.” What you are trying to do is simply shifting the focus on the issue just like Moon admin has been trying to do. SHAME ON YOU. 😆
Roses1
5 years ago
Toru@koreasparkling, I just asked you a question. So are you?
Anyway, why are GI’s in here are so angry? I don’t understand it.
Roses1, you are something. You should be ashamed yourself.
MSS
5 years ago
Roses1, the previous Supreme Court Justice sold himself to the Park Guen-hye administration by offering to make favorable rulings in return for favors. One of them was the ruling against the forced laborers’ court action against Japanese companies. This was done just in time for the comfort women’s agreement.
I wouldn’t be surprised if a news story comes out in the future alleging that the Supreme Court made the favorable ruling, because they felt the need to wash away the dirt from the previous Chief Justice.
MSS
5 years ago
With that in mind, can we truly say that Korean courts are ‘independent’?
Flyingsword
5 years ago
The entire current ROK government is illegitimate and illegal. Any ruling from the current court or any law signed into effect by commie moon is also illegal and illegitimate.
My guess is that those protesters and the typical Korean are so uneducated to the point that they do not realize the following;
1. Japan paid USD 800 mil to the ROK government
2. Japan initially offered to pay compensation to the affected individuals but the ROK government rejected this and insisted that all payments be made to the ROK government.
3. The ROK government agreed to demand no further compensation from Japan after receiving the payment.
4. The ROK government took the money from
Japan and used it to build Pohang Steel and the Seoul-Busan Expressway among others.
5. The 1965 treaty states ‘ The High Contracting Parties confirm that the problems concerning property, rights, and interests of the two High Contracting Parties and their peoples (including juridical persons) and the claims between the High Contracting Parties and between their peoples, including those stipulated in Article IV(a) of the Peace Treaty with Japan signed at the city of San Francisco on September 8, 1951, have been settled completely and finally.’
If they still want to protest, it’s a free country, however instead of looking stupid by protesting against the Japanese, they should protest against the ROK government and Pohang Steel.
MSS, I can assure you, most Koreans know about it all.
Except you’re pretty ignorant when you say the 1965 peace treaty with Japan nullified the rights by individuals to sue for compensation, and pretty much echo the Japanese rightwing government’s position on this issue. The South Korean supreme court’s decision is separate from the state. Just like how the Canadian supreme court ordered the house arrest of Huawei executive when the US put out the arrest for her.
Really by Seoul standards this is a tiny protest. Moon is going to have to work a little harder to drum up anti-Japan sentiment which may be why the ruling party politicians made their little trip to Dokdo.
Roses1, you are pretty ignorant and I can assure you that you have not read the South Korean supreme court’s decision. You wrote “the court’s decision is separate from the state” No. the court’s decision is separate from the 1965 treaty. The court said, essentially, that a colonization is legally invalid therefore the conscription, aka “forced labor”, is illegal, so Japan must pay individual compensation. This court ruling effectively nullify the bilateral 1965 basic treaty between Japan and South Korea.
I wrote an entry a while ago, so if you interested, here is the page.
https://koreasparkling.wordpress.com/2018/12/09/illegal-colonial-rule-effect/
All South Korea is doing is providing Japan, China, and the rest of the world reason to think Koreans are dishonest.
Sometimes, a person (or indeed a country) with integrity needs to accept what they signed and accepted money for. Lessons learned can educate future decisions and future generations; but honorable people never go back on their word.
I continue to be disappointed in South Korea. One expects Koreans to somehow be better than their neighbors, not the same or worse.
I can recall when Korean steel was causing the shutdown of steel factories in the US. That money was a springboard for the Korean Miracle. I wonder if the court will order the money returned with interest if the agreement is invalid.
Toru@koreasparkling, so you are justifying Japan’s use of economic weapons to resolve a political issue, is this correct?
Japan’s official reason for trade sanctions against South Korea was that South Korea was selling dangerous chemicals to the enemy. But they gave no proof, nor any chance for South Korea to respond back before Japan put up their economic retaliation. Japan officially denies that the South Korean supreme court decision had anything to do with it.
So which is it? Is because South Korea is selling dangerous weapons to the unnamed enemy, or is it because of the supreme court ruling?
I remember the Middle East countries decided to not sell their oil to the United States in the 1970’s over the US support for Israel. Use of an economic attack over a political issue. You are justifying this.
Roses1, WHERE THE F**K DID YOU GET THIS IDEA? > “so you are justifying Japan’s use of economic weapons to resolve a political issue.” What you are trying to do is simply shifting the focus on the issue just like Moon admin has been trying to do. SHAME ON YOU. 😆
Toru@koreasparkling, I just asked you a question. So are you?
Anyway, why are GI’s in here are so angry? I don’t understand it.
Roses1, you are something. You should be ashamed yourself.
Roses1, the previous Supreme Court Justice sold himself to the Park Guen-hye administration by offering to make favorable rulings in return for favors. One of them was the ruling against the forced laborers’ court action against Japanese companies. This was done just in time for the comfort women’s agreement.
I wouldn’t be surprised if a news story comes out in the future alleging that the Supreme Court made the favorable ruling, because they felt the need to wash away the dirt from the previous Chief Justice.
With that in mind, can we truly say that Korean courts are ‘independent’?
The entire current ROK government is illegitimate and illegal. Any ruling from the current court or any law signed into effect by commie moon is also illegal and illegitimate.