USFK will publish the results of enforcement actions related to non-compliance with current Force Health Protection Condition orders to ensure our soldiers, civilians, contract employees & their families understand the adverse actions of not following the commander's directives. pic.twitter.com/J1vSG0iGnN
The contractor is actually banned from ALL USFK facilities for 2 years.
Flyingsword
4 years ago
All contractors banned from cp hump schuttle buses regardless of HPCON and this weekend opened cp hump golf course to everyone but contractors. But remember, contractors are still valued members of the cp hump community…. 🙄
Tagum City Tim
4 years ago
Contractors have had it too easy for too many years. When I was involved with USFK (at Yongsan, Osan, and Humphreys intermittently from 1983 to 2000) it was always the contractors who got special privileges (like extra living allowance money and overseas duty pay when service members did not), were able to violate curfew whenever and wherever they pleased, almost never got prosecuted for black marketing, and were allowed to remain in bars and other places off limits to service-members and their families.
Since that time, USFK has slowly tightened enforcement up and now if contractors misbehave, they are subject to the same consequences that other Americans in Korea face. I applaud these changes and hope that USFK doesn’t fall back into their old, comfortable ways after the Corona Virus fades into a distant memory.
Dan
4 years ago
Tagum City Tim, if the curfew doesn’t apply to contractors (or retirees), they’re not violating it. Pay and allowances differ between military entitlements and private sector wages (comparing military pay and entitlements to wages and allowances of contractors is foolish). As soon as HPCON-C is gone, the special authority to restrict contractor and retiree movements goes away.
I knew there’d be someone come along and ruin my bitch and moan session with logic and facts. Dan I really don’t care about all those facts that you so expertly spewed forth. My point was, and still is, that, especially in a time when Korea was considered such a hardship tour that (like almost the entire time that I lived and worked there) most military people weren’t able to do more than one year in country, contractors were doing 2, 5, 10, 15 and more years in country soaking up all the benefits and flaunting the exemptions they were afforded around like some sick badge of honor. Their attitudes for the most part were arrogant and narcissistic and they treated the average service member like dirt. I’m sure the situation has not changed.
Oh, I noticed that you did not try to defend the fact that contractors did most of the black marketing and were never held accountable. They could pull up to the commissary, load up a truckload of meat and drive off right in front of the MPs without so much as a question about how they were going to consume all that product or where they had a freezer large enough to store it all in. The contractors were always conspiring with the Korean nationals that worked at the PX and commissary to ride off into the sunset with all the major appliances and high end booze they could get their grubby little mitts on, padding their bank accounts and flaunting their privilege everywhere.
So, that’s my bitch session and I’m sticking to it. You’re more than welcome to show up with some more facts to try to ruin my fun but be warned that will just make me more inclined to bitch and complain.
J6Junkie
4 years ago
I laughed when some contractors had the gall to complain about not getting an APO. They were certainly making double what I was and could afford international shipping and shopping more on the economy.
J6Junkie – The contract complainers were rampant in the late 80s and 90s. I was there during the Olympics in Seoul and contractors were bitchin’ because they weren’t eligible for the free event tickets that the USO passed out to service members. I had to work the day of my event (track and field) but I still have the ticket as a souvenir. I’ll sell it off someday and make tons of money.
Flyingsword
4 years ago
Contractors stayed long because they were willing to stay. I would say it was GS / DECA employees conspiring with local Korean employees to commit black marketing. But I know its bitch a out contractor time again so go ahead.
FlyingSword – Thanks but I’m all bitched out now. Just had to vent on contractors and their “holier-than-thou” attitudes. Nice to see them taken down a peg or two. You are correct on this GS/DECA employees too but they never flaunted it as much.
J6Junkie – I put retirees and KN spouses into a separate category
Flyingsword
4 years ago
So you hate people for fulfilling a need the Government requires? If there were no requirement, no contractors. And you don’t get private citizens to work overseas by treating them like private soldiers. Your attitude reeks of jealousy and regret.
There you go ruining my bitch session, and I thought you understood. I know that contractors perform a necessary service in supporting our troops overseas and without them we would never be able to have the good life we deserve when we’re stationed far from home. I salute the self-sacrifice that these fine men and women (and 57 other genders) do for the country and am sorry if my bitching left you butt hurt!
setnaffa
4 years ago
I think we’re all a little cranky now. I blame the China Lung AIDS; but you’re free to pick your own arch villains.
😆
Tagum City Tim
4 years ago
I’ve been cooped up in my house with limited possibilities for escape for over a month now here in the Philippines and it’s starting to work on my nerves, so yes, Setnaffa, I am getting a little cranky. Add to this is the fact that here in the Philippines, the lockdown may continue through May because people here cannot social distance and are causing more cases to appear that is scaring the government into continuing the lockdown at least through May 1st as it stands right now. So, while all of you that live in the US have some sort of hope for returning to a normal existence, I sit and wait to see how long it will take the Filipinos to decide to release the lockdown. This situation is setting me off more than I would like to admit and I am lashing out at convenient targets to help release some of the pent up frustration I am feeling. Contractors were always a thorn in my side when I was in Korea and YES, I was jealous of the fact that the government paid them WAY over what they needed for subsistence and looked the other way when they violated the rules. This current situation at Humphreys just tells me that it’s business as usual for the contractors in Korea even during a global pandemic. Their selfishness shows like an artillery shell bursting in the night sky (something those people will never see because they will be airlifted out at the first sign of trouble. My rant is over! Thank you for your attention.
ChickenHead
4 years ago
LIMERICK
Tim frowned at the situation
as he lived in a locked down nation.
But he should joyfully see
the necessity
of Philippine depopulation.
The flu d’etat in America is looking more and more like a plandemic.
– ChickenHead 2020
setnaffa
4 years ago
Now that’s funny, CH. Even if completely true.
Why can’t our trolls show brevity and wit?!?!
I’ll leave you with a medical breakthrough I first saw yesterday:
johnhenry
4 years ago
I’d say that TCT is more enamored of a past he’s constructed out of thin air. And Flyinsword has him pegged.
liz
4 years ago
CH has spoken sagely
(as usual)
setnaffa
4 years ago
johnhenry, show some compassion for our poor friend trapped in a land far away…
Tagum City Tim
4 years ago
When you get to be my age JohnHenry, all you have is your memories and impressions of a life well-lived. The fact that I loathed civilian contractors during my time in Korea is part and parcel to those memories of a time and place long gone but not forgotten. Even though I retired from the Navy almost 20 years ago (December 2000), My memories of my times in Korea will always be with me and they will always color my opinions.
Reality matters little though when you are forced to remain at home so that you won’t be in contact with anyone who might spread the #WuhanVirus which by every estimation to date is way less deadly than the seasonal flu. However, for some reason there’s a general worldwide panic about this virus that defies explanation. Unprecedented lock down of the entire global economy is not the answer to this crisis. Viruses have been around since the beginning of time. Humans have tried to control them through vaccines and quarantines for almost 300 years now but they still end up killing thousands of people per year. So what’s the point? Tell me that?
Andy
4 years ago
And now a DA Civilian from Yongsan – Camp Casey has received the the 2 year ban for going to a bar on 10-11 April. Not sure if it would work but, those breaking the rules need to start saying they are English teachers again? lol
johnhenry
4 years ago
TCT: December of 2000? I retired from the Navy ten months and two days before you did! Navy got an extra day out of me thanks to 2000 being a Leap Year.
“The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, people do not have immunity to it, and a vaccine may be many months away. Doctors and scientists are working on estimating the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be higher than that of most strains of the flu.”
Let me repeat that last bit for you:
“It is thought to be higher than that of most strains of the flu.”
johnhenry
4 years ago
TCT: I forgot to mention something. Vaccines have helped tremendously. How many cases of smallpox are there these days. Zero. How many cases of polio? Etc., etc., etc. That’s the point.
JH: The most relevant part of your whole message was “thought to be.” The problem is no one knows yet just exactly how COVID-19 stacks up against other viral infections. However, I can state one thing categorically because I have seen the paperwork (redacted) sent to me by my friend who is a nurse in a major Chicago hospital. Doctors are now putting any unexplained deaths down to the Corona Virus without ANY testing or autopsies to find out what the real cause of death was. This is not because they are overwhelmed with cases of the virus, they are just being lazy thinking that no one will question their appraisals during this crisis time or later once all of the records are filed. This is artificially inflating the number of COVID-19 deaths and will only serve to increase the panicked state that the situation has been hyped into.
One last point from your response, you said the vaccines have “helped tremendously” but, have they completely eradicated the viruses? NO! If vaccines are not taken, there is a chance that viruses long dormant can be brought to life again. All a virus needs is a living host to start reproducing again. That’s the way nature works. It’s called thinning the herd and with close to 7 billion people on the planet right now, we could shed a few hundred thousand weaker ones and never miss them. And don’t jump on me for being heartless and uncaring. I’m a pragmatist. I don’t choose to fight against natural forces that are there for a reason. Just like China thins their population by getting into a major conflict every few decades, nature is now thinning the world population by the only means it has at its disposal…VIRUSES! Feel free to comment as I know you will.
johnhenry
4 years ago
“Thought to be” from a scientist discussing a scientiific issue is not “Hey, I’m pulling this out of my butt”, but for lots of laypeople that’s what they think it is.
And your comments about viruses and China are both nonsense.
johnhenry
4 years ago
Drat. I misspelled something in that last post. “scientiific” should be “scientific”.
Thanks to you oh Lord of all! Please enlighten us mutants who don’t know a thing with your words from on high! I’m sick of this whole subject. It’s all blown out of proportion. Never before has the entire planet stopped because of a virus. If this is what the human race has evolved into that I’m going to plan my departure and let the rest of you deal with it. I’ve lived through more shit in my life than the rest of you put together and frankly I’m getting really tired of the whole life thing. So, if your little newsfeed here picks up on a little-reported news spot about an expat in the Philippines found dead, you’ll know that you’re well rid of my moronic ramblings!!!! Thanks for pointing out all of the ways in which you are all better than me, ESPECIALLY YOU JOHN HENRY!!!!
Should that ass out of the ROK for good. There are still a few troops that are not command sponsored. These contractors should never get any privileges that -GI’s or Retirees have earned. They should have fired his ass. I know a lot of retirees do work as contractors. I spent 4 years in Korea, everyday of it was in 2 ID with my Korean wife and 2 kids who I had to pay for their school in Euijeongbu’. I did
not get one RCP Violation but I knew tons of folks From USAGY that did.
Rosko
4 years ago
Did fatboy kick the bucket or what?
johnhenry
4 years ago
TCT: Never before? Maybe not the planet, but Europe certainly had a terrible time of it with the Black Death.
This is not blown out of proportion. Of course, you, I, and everyone else want to get our lives back to the way they were before this pandemic occurred. Heck, I want my wife to fly out of Korea and get back here, but that’s not possible now, and it’s not going to be possible while idiots keep doing, as you described above, stupid things that will keep the pandemic going.
setnaffa
4 years ago
johnhenry,
There are probably 30 million Americans unemployed now. There will be food shortages because of businesses gone under. Neither Sweden nor Brazil were depopulated at a higher rate than the USA–and they didn’t shut down anything.
Worse, many unemployed people commit suicide (might be as many as 40,000 dead for each extra percentage point of unemployment due to the Chinese Lung Pox Panic). Not counting Democrats who murder their husbands with fishbowl cleaner and try to blame the President.
You’re wrong. Just take the loss.
johnhenry
4 years ago
I think something’s gotten to you, setnaffa. I’m not mistaken.
setnaffa
4 years ago
Well, you stay inside, my friend. The rest of us will be enjoying the sunshine and exercise. And, God-willing, a lot of those 30 Million Americans will be able to get their jobs back.
But there’s already problems in the supply chain. Already warehouses not being stocked. Already factories not producing things we need (think about food: it also needs containers).
Enjoy your time home alone. We hope you and your wife have a rapid, happy, and safe reunion.
Andy
4 years ago
More people receiving the ban: a US Contractor for going on Humphreys when he was supposed to stay at home under quarantine; a DoA Civilian and spouse at Yongsan for eating inside a restaurant off post; and a DoDEA employee and spouse at Humphreys for also eating inside a restaurant off post. https://www.facebook.com/usaghumphreys/
The contractor is actually banned from ALL USFK facilities for 2 years.
All contractors banned from cp hump schuttle buses regardless of HPCON and this weekend opened cp hump golf course to everyone but contractors. But remember, contractors are still valued members of the cp hump community…. 🙄
Contractors have had it too easy for too many years. When I was involved with USFK (at Yongsan, Osan, and Humphreys intermittently from 1983 to 2000) it was always the contractors who got special privileges (like extra living allowance money and overseas duty pay when service members did not), were able to violate curfew whenever and wherever they pleased, almost never got prosecuted for black marketing, and were allowed to remain in bars and other places off limits to service-members and their families.
Since that time, USFK has slowly tightened enforcement up and now if contractors misbehave, they are subject to the same consequences that other Americans in Korea face. I applaud these changes and hope that USFK doesn’t fall back into their old, comfortable ways after the Corona Virus fades into a distant memory.
Tagum City Tim, if the curfew doesn’t apply to contractors (or retirees), they’re not violating it. Pay and allowances differ between military entitlements and private sector wages (comparing military pay and entitlements to wages and allowances of contractors is foolish). As soon as HPCON-C is gone, the special authority to restrict contractor and retiree movements goes away.
I knew there’d be someone come along and ruin my bitch and moan session with logic and facts. Dan I really don’t care about all those facts that you so expertly spewed forth. My point was, and still is, that, especially in a time when Korea was considered such a hardship tour that (like almost the entire time that I lived and worked there) most military people weren’t able to do more than one year in country, contractors were doing 2, 5, 10, 15 and more years in country soaking up all the benefits and flaunting the exemptions they were afforded around like some sick badge of honor. Their attitudes for the most part were arrogant and narcissistic and they treated the average service member like dirt. I’m sure the situation has not changed.
Oh, I noticed that you did not try to defend the fact that contractors did most of the black marketing and were never held accountable. They could pull up to the commissary, load up a truckload of meat and drive off right in front of the MPs without so much as a question about how they were going to consume all that product or where they had a freezer large enough to store it all in. The contractors were always conspiring with the Korean nationals that worked at the PX and commissary to ride off into the sunset with all the major appliances and high end booze they could get their grubby little mitts on, padding their bank accounts and flaunting their privilege everywhere.
So, that’s my bitch session and I’m sticking to it. You’re more than welcome to show up with some more facts to try to ruin my fun but be warned that will just make me more inclined to bitch and complain.
I laughed when some contractors had the gall to complain about not getting an APO. They were certainly making double what I was and could afford international shipping and shopping more on the economy.
J6Junkie – The contract complainers were rampant in the late 80s and 90s. I was there during the Olympics in Seoul and contractors were bitchin’ because they weren’t eligible for the free event tickets that the USO passed out to service members. I had to work the day of my event (track and field) but I still have the ticket as a souvenir. I’ll sell it off someday and make tons of money.
Contractors stayed long because they were willing to stay. I would say it was GS / DECA employees conspiring with local Korean employees to commit black marketing. But I know its bitch a out contractor time again so go ahead.
Don’t forget the retirees and KN spouses.
FlyingSword – Thanks but I’m all bitched out now. Just had to vent on contractors and their “holier-than-thou” attitudes. Nice to see them taken down a peg or two. You are correct on this GS/DECA employees too but they never flaunted it as much.
J6Junkie – I put retirees and KN spouses into a separate category
So you hate people for fulfilling a need the Government requires? If there were no requirement, no contractors. And you don’t get private citizens to work overseas by treating them like private soldiers. Your attitude reeks of jealousy and regret.
There you go ruining my bitch session, and I thought you understood. I know that contractors perform a necessary service in supporting our troops overseas and without them we would never be able to have the good life we deserve when we’re stationed far from home. I salute the self-sacrifice that these fine men and women (and 57 other genders) do for the country and am sorry if my bitching left you butt hurt!
I think we’re all a little cranky now. I blame the China Lung AIDS; but you’re free to pick your own arch villains.
😆
I’ve been cooped up in my house with limited possibilities for escape for over a month now here in the Philippines and it’s starting to work on my nerves, so yes, Setnaffa, I am getting a little cranky. Add to this is the fact that here in the Philippines, the lockdown may continue through May because people here cannot social distance and are causing more cases to appear that is scaring the government into continuing the lockdown at least through May 1st as it stands right now. So, while all of you that live in the US have some sort of hope for returning to a normal existence, I sit and wait to see how long it will take the Filipinos to decide to release the lockdown. This situation is setting me off more than I would like to admit and I am lashing out at convenient targets to help release some of the pent up frustration I am feeling. Contractors were always a thorn in my side when I was in Korea and YES, I was jealous of the fact that the government paid them WAY over what they needed for subsistence and looked the other way when they violated the rules. This current situation at Humphreys just tells me that it’s business as usual for the contractors in Korea even during a global pandemic. Their selfishness shows like an artillery shell bursting in the night sky (something those people will never see because they will be airlifted out at the first sign of trouble. My rant is over! Thank you for your attention.
LIMERICK
Tim frowned at the situation
as he lived in a locked down nation.
But he should joyfully see
the necessity
of Philippine depopulation.
CH – Thanks for bringing a smile to my face!
The flu d’etat in America is looking more and more like a plandemic.
– ChickenHead 2020
Now that’s funny, CH. Even if completely true.
Why can’t our trolls show brevity and wit?!?!
I’ll leave you with a medical breakthrough I first saw yesterday:
I’d say that TCT is more enamored of a past he’s constructed out of thin air. And Flyinsword has him pegged.
CH has spoken sagely
(as usual)
johnhenry, show some compassion for our poor friend trapped in a land far away…
When you get to be my age JohnHenry, all you have is your memories and impressions of a life well-lived. The fact that I loathed civilian contractors during my time in Korea is part and parcel to those memories of a time and place long gone but not forgotten. Even though I retired from the Navy almost 20 years ago (December 2000), My memories of my times in Korea will always be with me and they will always color my opinions.
Reality matters little though when you are forced to remain at home so that you won’t be in contact with anyone who might spread the #WuhanVirus which by every estimation to date is way less deadly than the seasonal flu. However, for some reason there’s a general worldwide panic about this virus that defies explanation. Unprecedented lock down of the entire global economy is not the answer to this crisis. Viruses have been around since the beginning of time. Humans have tried to control them through vaccines and quarantines for almost 300 years now but they still end up killing thousands of people per year. So what’s the point? Tell me that?
And now a DA Civilian from Yongsan – Camp Casey has received the the 2 year ban for going to a bar on 10-11 April. Not sure if it would work but, those breaking the rules need to start saying they are English teachers again? lol
TCT: December of 2000? I retired from the Navy ten months and two days before you did! Navy got an extra day out of me thanks to 2000 being a Leap Year.
You might want to double check, quadruple check, octuple check (can you see what I did there and why?) your information on that. Johns Hopkins is a good place to start (https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu):
“The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, people do not have immunity to it, and a vaccine may be many months away. Doctors and scientists are working on estimating the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be higher than that of most strains of the flu.”
Let me repeat that last bit for you:
“It is thought to be higher than that of most strains of the flu.”
TCT: I forgot to mention something. Vaccines have helped tremendously. How many cases of smallpox are there these days. Zero. How many cases of polio? Etc., etc., etc. That’s the point.
JH: The most relevant part of your whole message was “thought to be.” The problem is no one knows yet just exactly how COVID-19 stacks up against other viral infections. However, I can state one thing categorically because I have seen the paperwork (redacted) sent to me by my friend who is a nurse in a major Chicago hospital. Doctors are now putting any unexplained deaths down to the Corona Virus without ANY testing or autopsies to find out what the real cause of death was. This is not because they are overwhelmed with cases of the virus, they are just being lazy thinking that no one will question their appraisals during this crisis time or later once all of the records are filed. This is artificially inflating the number of COVID-19 deaths and will only serve to increase the panicked state that the situation has been hyped into.
One last point from your response, you said the vaccines have “helped tremendously” but, have they completely eradicated the viruses? NO! If vaccines are not taken, there is a chance that viruses long dormant can be brought to life again. All a virus needs is a living host to start reproducing again. That’s the way nature works. It’s called thinning the herd and with close to 7 billion people on the planet right now, we could shed a few hundred thousand weaker ones and never miss them. And don’t jump on me for being heartless and uncaring. I’m a pragmatist. I don’t choose to fight against natural forces that are there for a reason. Just like China thins their population by getting into a major conflict every few decades, nature is now thinning the world population by the only means it has at its disposal…VIRUSES! Feel free to comment as I know you will.
“Thought to be” from a scientist discussing a scientiific issue is not “Hey, I’m pulling this out of my butt”, but for lots of laypeople that’s what they think it is.
And your comments about viruses and China are both nonsense.
Drat. I misspelled something in that last post. “scientiific” should be “scientific”.
Smallpox has been eradicated.
Thanks to you oh Lord of all! Please enlighten us mutants who don’t know a thing with your words from on high! I’m sick of this whole subject. It’s all blown out of proportion. Never before has the entire planet stopped because of a virus. If this is what the human race has evolved into that I’m going to plan my departure and let the rest of you deal with it. I’ve lived through more shit in my life than the rest of you put together and frankly I’m getting really tired of the whole life thing. So, if your little newsfeed here picks up on a little-reported news spot about an expat in the Philippines found dead, you’ll know that you’re well rid of my moronic ramblings!!!! Thanks for pointing out all of the ways in which you are all better than me, ESPECIALLY YOU JOHN HENRY!!!!
Should that ass out of the ROK for good. There are still a few troops that are not command sponsored. These contractors should never get any privileges that -GI’s or Retirees have earned. They should have fired his ass. I know a lot of retirees do work as contractors. I spent 4 years in Korea, everyday of it was in 2 ID with my Korean wife and 2 kids who I had to pay for their school in Euijeongbu’. I did
not get one RCP Violation but I knew tons of folks From USAGY that did.
Did fatboy kick the bucket or what?
TCT: Never before? Maybe not the planet, but Europe certainly had a terrible time of it with the Black Death.
This is not blown out of proportion. Of course, you, I, and everyone else want to get our lives back to the way they were before this pandemic occurred. Heck, I want my wife to fly out of Korea and get back here, but that’s not possible now, and it’s not going to be possible while idiots keep doing, as you described above, stupid things that will keep the pandemic going.
johnhenry,
There are probably 30 million Americans unemployed now. There will be food shortages because of businesses gone under. Neither Sweden nor Brazil were depopulated at a higher rate than the USA–and they didn’t shut down anything.
Worse, many unemployed people commit suicide (might be as many as 40,000 dead for each extra percentage point of unemployment due to the Chinese Lung Pox Panic). Not counting Democrats who murder their husbands with fishbowl cleaner and try to blame the President.
You’re wrong. Just take the loss.
I think something’s gotten to you, setnaffa. I’m not mistaken.
Well, you stay inside, my friend. The rest of us will be enjoying the sunshine and exercise. And, God-willing, a lot of those 30 Million Americans will be able to get their jobs back.
But there’s already problems in the supply chain. Already warehouses not being stocked. Already factories not producing things we need (think about food: it also needs containers).
Enjoy your time home alone. We hope you and your wife have a rapid, happy, and safe reunion.
More people receiving the ban: a US Contractor for going on Humphreys when he was supposed to stay at home under quarantine; a DoA Civilian and spouse at Yongsan for eating inside a restaurant off post; and a DoDEA employee and spouse at Humphreys for also eating inside a restaurant off post. https://www.facebook.com/usaghumphreys/
I see a common thread there…