ROK Drop Open Thread – October 21, 2022

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setnaffa
setnaffa
2 years ago

The demise of the safety, effectiveness, and credibility of American Medicine under men like Saint Fauci of Wuhan continues.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/generalinfectiousdisease/101081

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setnaffa
setnaffa
2 years ago

Is this a chance for Samsung to step up and replace Chinese chips in America?

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/china-holds-emergency-talks-over-us-semicondctor-sector-crackdown

GrayBlack
GrayBlack
2 years ago

From the terrorism of Weather Underground to Antifa, communist violence has gone unprosecuted, pardoned, and often rewarded with prestigious academia positions (Bill Ayers sound familiar?). Yet the prospect of even the smallest hints of violence, even in self defense, originating from the most mild of center right individuals results in mass public hysterias and media campaigns for “justice.” Obviously justice is not blind and hasn’t been for a long time.

The reason is that America is a communist country. From Alger Hiss’s CPUSA membership (Harvard educated btw) to Obama’s SDS accolades (Harvard law), the communist intellectual tradition has thrived among the ruling class. If you listen to NPR, you might have heard a segment recently about how the socialists of the early 1900s were the true American patriots with no mention of the men who died in the trenches.

Ostensibly, DoD is in RoK to defend against communism (a contradiction). At the same time Harvard and their State Department and media cohorts have constantly undermined the mission by facilitating Anti-American communists in RoK. This is not dissimilar to how Harvard advocated and facilitated all sorts of middle eastern color revolutions for “liberal democracy” only for reality to say something different. Of course it’s DoD that had to directly deal with the mess and get shot at while Harvard/State are free to move on consequence free to their next project.

Obviously, posting here I’m screaming into the void, but I’ve found that’s typically no different from writing about this anywhere else. Doesn’t matter how many Che posters in classrooms, or top politicians favorably quoting Marx/Mao/Engels, or even the ever growing mountains of wealth redistribution, no one believes that America could possibly be communist regardless of the evidence.

setnaffa
setnaffa
2 years ago

It has certainly been heading that way; but not quite yet…

setnaffa
setnaffa
2 years ago

And speaking of existing freedoms, take a look at what real communism is:

https://www.youtube.com/c/ChinaFactChasers/videos

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setnaffa
setnaffa
2 years ago

“Why China Can’t make Chips!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKURE05_RPI

Please comment on whether this is accurate or not.

setnaffa
setnaffa
2 years ago

Southern Rhodesia had a problematic (from one perspective) government before 1980. After 1980, the Pyongyang-supported terrorists took over the government, renamed the nation as Zimbabwe, and destroyed the White-owned farms that were feeding their country and many of their neighbors. About 30 Million people in Zimbabwe (and their neighbors) have died from war, starvation and related disease since the change.

“England” (okay, the UK), which supported butcher Robert Mugabe’s illegitimate election (even the UN thought it was bad), is now trying to feed bugs to Black children in a country with some of the best farmland in Africa.

https://www.theorganicprepper.com/feeding-bugs-to-zimbabwean-children/

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Korean Man
Korean Man
2 years ago

Is this a chance for Samsung to step up and replace Chinese chips in America?

setnaffa

uh..no. That role is reserved for the US which wants to take over all of the semiconductor manufacturing from design to finish. The US also wants to take over EV batteries, EVs, nuclear power plants, hydrogen power, ships, and even money-printing presses, under their audacious ‘bring back all of the world’s entire manufacturing capacity back to America, made by Americans, for Americans”. Isn’t that your plan?

South Korea will go back to selling and exporting shaved hair for the African American wig market. Who knows, you might need a wig yourself after your chemo therapy treatments.

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ChickenHead
ChickenHead
2 years ago

Korea Man is on to us.

Kill him.

Stephen
Stephen
2 years ago

The State Department has the following census data on the Russian population aged 25-54 years:

Male 30,240,260

Female 31,245,104

1 million fewer males than females in this age group.

For South Korea the census data for 25-54 years:

Male 12,106,860

Female 11,077,642.

Since the most recent Russian census, tens of thousands of males have been removed from the Russian population by Putin’s special military operation, which began in February 2022.

Kim Jong-eun will not be the only Korean riding a white horse in 2023.

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
2 years ago

Well, Stephen, you have just demonstrated that Russian males drink vodka and try to fùck a bear while Korean males are afraid to climb a tree.

Or who knows.

Putting all the wishful thinking based on mental gymnastics aside, I can only observe reality.

– Russia fully controls land they did not control a month ago

– once Russia committed to an air war, they wiped out 30% of Ukranian electricity production within an hour.

What am I supposed to belive?

GrayBlack
GrayBlack
2 years ago

Imagine the audacity if a Chinese person said ‘China under Xi isn’t communist, look at Stalin’s Soviet Union to see what real communism looks like.’

Pointing out how bad other communist countries are doesn’t change how bad things are here. Our political elites have clear, overt communist sympathies.

“Biden’s reference to “that old expression” is in fact a well-known proclamation that Mao made to promote women leaving the home amid the Cultural Revolution in China. It was then widely used as propaganda during the “Great Leap Forward,”

[…]

Anita Dunn, who now serves as a senior adviser to Biden, called Mao one of her “favorite political philosophers” during an address to graduating high schoolers”

And things are severely bad here. Our top, most prestigious medical institutions, backed by progressives in government, have performed thousands of “gender affirming treatments” on children all for purely ideological reasons. Average age of referal appears to be around 15. This ranges from hormone blockers all the way to surgical removal of genitals. There are about 9000 transgender surgeries (not including permanent hormone therapy) being performed annually across the United States and that number is set to explode higher as Marxist critical gender theory has been widely adopted in K-12 education to indoctrinated cildren into believing they are transgender or other non-binary queen genders.

This is a level of ideologically driven medical malpractice on a similar scale as forced sterilization of Uyghurs in China. Factor in the normalization of sexual grooming of children (often State backed, see drag queen story time) and we’re on course to surpass China in level of abuse in absolute numbers even though they have 4 times the population.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JxdvOLdG_34

And State Department exports this ideology. They regularly fund “drag theater performances” in the name of diversity and inclusion in other countries. The latest was in Ecuador at about 20,000 USD.

Toss in some critical race theory, and we’re primed for increasingly bad outbreaks of racial violence over the next 20 years.

You’ll be in real physical danger for publicly speaking about these things in most US cities regardless of how much free speech you have on paper. We also have an informal Chinese style social credit system being implemented.

setnaffa
setnaffa
2 years ago

Not everyone buys the blackpilling (i.e., “The sky is falling! We must run and tell the King!”).

Some of us see the desperation in would-be commies (actually amateur schmendrick-wannabees). It does not give us joy, because we’re surrounded by folks whose favorite cartoon character was Winnie the Pooh’s depressed jackass friend.

But we know that we win and they lose.

We win. They lose.

It’s as simple as that.

The BLM/Antifa crowd are aging and their crack, meth, and spraypaint habits will end up with them bleeding out in an alley wearing someone else’s clothes like Edgar Allen Poe.

The so-called “leadership” of the Democrat Party are all senile drunks. The next generation are weirdos like Tim Caine and Kamala Harris. The next are “The Squad” who will go out of fashion when the money in their districts dries up after the rich they wanted to tax move to Texas or Florida.

And Lynyrd Skynyrd has a pretty catchy song for the Forida Governor.

https://youtu.be/jRUm3dQTqa4

Don’t be afraid of your shadow. Or anyone else’s.

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ChickenHead
ChickenHead
2 years ago

– The people pushing the destruction of the America we all know and love are not communists. They just use the communist playback because it works so well.

They are just greedy power-hungry elitists.

And that is pretty much the case in all places where “but but butt that wasn’t REAL communism”… which is every place that tried communism.

Releasing criminals, creating problems and offering their solutions, destroying families, breaking down tradition, etc… all tactics to destroy society and rebuild it to their new specifications.

And, in reality, the people pushing this are just tools for somebody in the background you don’t know or see. Does Kamala and Joe sit around engaging in long-term planning and developing strategy?

– tranny kids? I fully support this. If a parent wants to express their mental illness by proxy, it should be encouraged. More than 60% of attitudes such as this are genetic. This is a great way to reduce the crazy gene expression in society. Self-selecting eugenics is the best eugenics.

Don’t forget to get your kids the boosters, concerned parents with no critical thinking skills.

Korean Man
Korean Man
2 years ago

The fed up world including the American allies are starting to unite to end the US dollar abuses.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yTQuMv8X9PA

setnaffa
setnaffa
2 years ago

CH, all communists, except for the pathetic useful idiots, as Lenin described them, are selfish, greedy, power-hungry fascists. Putin, Xi, and all three Kim Fatties were commies by label and mafia by intent.

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
2 years ago

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky is infected with COVID.

She is up to date on her vaccinations, experiencing mild symptoms, and is grateful for the protection it offers her.

Fortunately there is a new bivalent booster.

Oh. Hmm. She received her updated bivalent booster on September 22, 2022.

That’s… awkward.

GrayBlack
GrayBlack
2 years ago

What I wrote is not a blackpill. It is a look at the reality on the ground, but there is much reason for hope. More on that at the end. Is it really so wrong to say America is a communist country?

When by objective measures the anti-communist right has been losing the overall political fight since the 1920s, a significant number of our current political elites are openly on the record praising communists and their ideology (as well as their documented participation in various communist activist groups), and communist street agitators are given political protection to loot and burn their political enemies with near impunity, just how much further does it need to go for it to be clear the communists are in control even if tenuously?

Communism is an ideology obsessed with using government power to enforce equality. In the Soviet Union it was all about creating a classless society even if it meant everyone starved together. Except the ruling class of course… A proletariat of workers.

In China it was mostly about creating a classless society and partly about a gender equal society. They have relaxed on enforcing both but it’s still officially the state policy. A proletariat of workers and women.

In America it’s all about racial equality of outcomes and genderless society. Instead of being a proletariat of workers and peasants and women, it’s of minorities (but not Asians) and LGBTQIAA…

@ChickenHead before you dismiss the tranny kid issue, consider the facts that there are a growing number of documented cases where public schools have made it official policy to secretly indoctrinate children into thinking they are LGBT and lie about it to the parents. A number of states are also (both attempting and successfully) passing laws to prevent parents from objecting to their child from receiving gender transition therapy under the threat of child protective service’s investigations. There is documentation of hospitals making official training videos on coercing parents into accepting treatment for their child. This is not the parent expressing their mental illness by proxy, but the institutional authorities with both state law and academia backing.

Tell me how you feel about this when you find out your 9 year old grandkid was taken to the gay bar by his teacher and taught to strip dance, after which the kid is now receiving state ordered gender therapy. This has already happened.

There is good reason for hope. The few conservative think tanks still out there have finally realized that their strategy sucks after losing every significant battle in the last hundred years. Adjustments are being made. Policy is changing course, but expect 10-20 years before results on the national political level and likely another 10-20 after than to see results on the national culture. Harvard and academia at large are obvious targets for dismantlement. So is State Department. These things are being discussed and some success has already been achieved on the state level in some parts of America. Ultimately it will require federal power.

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
2 years ago

GrayBlack,

I agree with every single point you made so much I worry I am schizophrenic and write that during an episode.

I should add, the tranny kid issue is multi-fasceted.

Parents seeking attention: “As a parent of one transitioning child and one non-binary child…”

Mental illness: “There are so many genderqueer children and I have one no matter what the right wing conspiracy says.”

Poor parenting: “I can’t believe the school took my kid to a gay strip club to grind on a crossdresser and my kid never felt comfortable to tell me and I never noticed this type of thing was normalized in his opinion.”

There are probably a few more.

In the end, a parents duty is to have such a close relationship with their kid they notice anything out of the ordinary.

Being that both my father and mother are trained interrogators, there were no secrets in my household. Honesty was the best policy.

On the flip side, I felt comfortable to discuss any issue, share my feeling, express my opinion, and ask for advice.

I cannot imagine any level of indoctrination on a child that made them think a trip down to the gay bar was was so normalized it wasn’t worth mentioning to mom and dad nor can I imagine any level of indoctrination where a “teacher” could convince a normal child to keep such a thing secret from their parent.

“Say, mother and father, on today’s field trip, we went into this dark room that smelled like gym socks and bleach where we checked out this woman’s weener. Based on every single other event in my short life, I deem this unusual. What do you think?”

Stephen
Stephen
2 years ago

Korean Air Lines Co. said Monday its flight KE631 with 173 people on board overran the runway while landing at Cebu International Airport in the Philippines a day earlier but no injuries were reported.

Is that the same Korean Air that now owns Asiana Airlines, Air Busan and Air Seoul?

setnaffa
setnaffa
2 years ago

Hyperbole is much the same as falsehood.

I would suggest that there may be a few spokes missing in your thinking wheel if you seriously see America as communist.

Not my job to tell you all is well; but lying about how bad it is is blackpilling.

Shame on you.

Maybe find a different YouTube channel to watch for a couple months.

Some folks supposedly “on the right” are just as delusional as the pied pipers “on the left” promising utopia if we all just give up our freedoms.

Don’t fall for either set of gum-flappers.

Politics is not left/right. It’s multi-dimensional.

Go outside and have a picnic with your family, church, or coworkers. It is not as bad as you claim. Even in most Democrat-controlled ratholes.

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ChickenHead
ChickenHead
2 years ago

I find the people who wouldn’t shut up about the vaccine are now amazingly silent.

The vaccinated who didn’t catch covid in the spring caught it in the summer. You have to lie to yourself pretty hard to believe it is effective. Unless you have a true mental illness, it is better to “move past covid” and forget you were ever so naive…

…though all the facts were there and people were begging for them to be looked at.

So maybe it isn’t naive.

Maybe it is something stupider.

Now it is starting to get to the point where the ineffective vaccines aren’t looking too safe either.

Unsafe and Ineffective… doesn’t have a ring to it. I will work on it.

Anyway, something is up. Mostly, this is obvious by how the data is manipulated to avoid showing something is up.

In another two years, we will have a pretty good idea.

So, I was reminded of the things I pointed out which were lies when they were told… but everyone was, “But you just don’t understand the science, man.”

Let’s take a stroll down memory lane as I cut an paste this incomplete collection from the internet.

“They told you they needed just three weeks to flatten the curve.

They lied.

They told you if you stayed at home that it would protect the Health Service.

They lied. (Source)

They told you millions around the world were dying of Covid-19.

They lied. (Source)

They told you that if you got the Covid vaccine, you wouldn’t catch Covid-19.

They lied. (Source)

Then you were told the Covid vaccines make you less likely to be infected with or transmit Covid-19.

The lied. (Source)

They told you that the Covid vaccines are safe and effective.

They lied. (Source)

They told you that the contents of the Covid vaccines stay at the injection site.

They lied. (Source)

They told you that the mRNA Covid-19 vaccines do not interfere with your DNA.

They lied. (Source)

Now they’re trying to tell you that the Covid-19 vaccines lose effectiveness over time and that you need repeat booster shots”

This article goes on to make a case for VAIDS… vaccine induced AIDS… which is a scary way to say it destroys your immune system.

Maybe. I am not convinced.

It seems to me the lemon vaccine just loses its effectiveness to corona and you will forever need boosters or you are at heightened risk to catch it twice a year… and possibly with worse symptoms than the unvaccinated.

There also seems to be growing evidence the vaccine triggers/causes/accelerates cancer. Of course, if you can find someone forced to talk about it, the reason is less medical care during lockdows and other possible-but-minor reasons that have nothing to do with the vaccine.

It will be very exciting to see what Winter Wave 2023 brings.

A lethal strain targeting the vaccinated is a very real possibility.

We know covid was made in a lab¹… now, with so much study, there are a number of characteristics found only on engineered viruses.

But because some of these could have been removed but were not, the thought is the release was accidental. Likely. If it has been intentional, it would have been released down the street from an American military lab.

Omicron was unquestionably made in a lab². Thoughts on this range from good (a natural vaccine to end the pandemic quickly) to not so good (a non-lethal test if what will happen if there is a lethal strain with similar characteristics.)

One would think this would be big news… not just lab fùckery… but everyone would try to understand the past, predict the future, and make plans to manage the possibilities.

But nobody does.

Because most people are too stupid to live.

¹ ask me how
² ask me how again

setnaffa
setnaffa
2 years ago

CH, you misunderstand. It is still safe and effective for folks like Dr Fauci and the CEO of Pfizer.

GrayBlack
GrayBlack
2 years ago

@setnaffa I’m not using hyperbole or exaggerating. what I’m saying isn’t some random YouTube stuff. A large amount of academic work has been published on this. Check out The Red Decade by Eugene Lyons for example to see the historical roots of communism in America.

Here’s some numbers and history on LGBT and Marxism in America. Tell me this isn’t really bad, exaggeration, or hyperbole.

One of the main reasons LGBT identification has been increasing over time is that younger generations are far more likely to consider themselves to be something other than heterosexual. This includes about one in six adult members of Generation Z

https://news.gallup.com/poll/329708/lgbt-identification-rises-latest-estimate.aspx

The near-simultaneous rise of New Left Marxism and of lesbian/gay liberation in the 1960s and 1970s resulted in a new flowering of lesbian/gay Marxist theory.

https://mediationsjournal.org/articles/foundational-queer-marxism
https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/before-stonewall-queer-liberations-communist-party-roots/

60 percent of Democrats younger than 30 support either Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/02/this-one-chart-explains-why-young-voters-back-bernie-sanders.html

49% of millennials and Gen Zers have a positive view of socialism

https://news.gallup.com/poll/268766/socialism-popular-capitalism-among-young-adults.aspx

I encourage you to study the LGBT community, it’s full of communist symbolism and rhetoric. It’s not supprising to see LGBT and communist flags flying together during their activist parades.

How about quick look at contemporary American politics like Obama?
His upbringing is full of coincidences… like his mother going to a high school that was investigated by the HUAC due to CPUSA membership among teachers and board members.
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/56384/56384-h/56384-h.htm#John_Stenhouse443

A cursory look at Obama’s mother, and her side of the family reveals a plethora of communist activities, but who needs history when in Obama’s own words he carefully picked his friends among whom were Marxist professors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sfNqke9LnU

Look at the people he surrounded himself with during the presidency. People like Van Jones who said:

I met all these young radical people of color — I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was, like, ‘This is what I need to be a part of.’ I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary. I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th, By August, I was a communist.”

https://eastbayexpress.com/the-new-face-of-environmentalism-1/

Or Valerie Jarrett who was born in Iran after her parents coincidentally left America during a time nearly the entire family was under FBI investigation for communist activities during the cold war.
https://www.judicialwatch.org/communism-in-jarretts-family/

His administration was full of such people. In 2008 America elected a guy who not only was suspiciously red, but also stacked his administration with both overt communists and suspected communists and then re-elected him in 2012.

Today we have Biden who has largely surrounded himself with much of the same people from the Obama era along with some of the more radical AOC types. As I have pointed out previously, both the president and his own advisor praise and quote communists.

If our government is run by communists, ‘America is a communist country’ is not a crazy leap of logic.

setnaffa
setnaffa
2 years ago

From AoSHQ, a couple of 20th Century quotes:

Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear. — Harry S Truman

A love for tradition has never weakened a nation, indeed it has strengthened nations in their hour of peril. — Sir Winston Churchill

Proverbs 14:12, ESV states: “There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death.” Solomon probably wrote that 1000 BC.

Rudyard Kipling wrote “The Gods of the Copybook Headings” around 120 years ago.

We, as a society, have no excuse for not horse-whipping, tarring and feathering, and riding those “woke”, commie, and perverted mountebanks ruining everything all the way out of town on split rails. That we didn’t reflect more poorly on us than it does on them.

Truly we are “lesser sons of greater sires” to paraphrase Tolkien’s King Theoden.

What are we going to do when they steal this election, too?

(asking for a friend)

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setnaffa
setnaffa
2 years ago

However, please note that “communism” and even “socialism” require the government to own all property and means of production, as we see in actual communist countries like China and North Korea.

We’re not there yet. Even Canaduh isn’t there yet.

GrayBlack
GrayBlack
2 years ago

However, please note that “communism” and even “socialism” require the government to own all property and means of production, as we see in actual communist countries like China and North Korea.

China’s government does not own all property or the means of production. Does that mean China is no longer communist? China is obviously communist.

There’s a lot more to communism than just government ownership of property. In Marx’s conception of Communism, there is no money and there is no state. Obviously not what happened in any communist country ever. Communism also requires a classless society. That never happens as inner party elites are always… well elites.

That definition of communism you’re using is communism as defined by communists who never achieve true communism. It’s almost like communists are lying hypocrites or something.

Communism is a mindset, a philosophy, a dream, and a political strategy rolled into an ideology. It isn’t simply a series of policy goals.

setnaffa
setnaffa
2 years ago

Grayblack, you are either a liar or ignorant. ALL property in China belongs to the government. The best you can get is a 40 year lease. And believe me, they control ALL companies operating in China.

And so, we have nothing more to discuss.

GrayBlack
GrayBlack
2 years ago

setnaffa, My point, which you didn’t respond to, was that communism is far more than just a simple list of policy objectives which communists often fail to achieve (because they lie, shocking I know). Communism is a way of thinking more than it’s what the government may or may not do.

It encompasses an entire philosophical and cultural outlook on life. A completely totalitarian mindset where anything and everything is permissible to reach a utopian society that is fundamentally impossible to reach. And anyone who stands in their way is an enemy of the permanent revolution who must them be censored and removed.

And in their mind that utopia is some form of equity be it economic, social, gender, racial, etc at the cost of everything else. And since equity is impossible in nature, the revolution never ends and the body count climbs until something breaks and the fever dream ends.

But onto your point about China…

China is complicated. There is a somewhat functioning stock market (heavily controlled), and the “private sector” that now accounts for 60% of GDP.

Why is there any private trading of stocks in a communist country? Why doesn’t the CCP outright own 100% of all companies as seen in the Soviet Union? Because the CCP prefers control over direct ownership.

And believe me, they control ALL companies operating in China.

Control is not the same as ownership. Fascism had ‘private property rights’ but all companies operating were controlled by the party. Fascism is not communism.

Under the definition of communism you provided, China is not communist, but it clearly is communist. Thus the definition of communism that was provided is not a good definition. I suggest a better definition is in order.

Curiously, listed here on the must read Korea sites, is B. R. Myers who argues that North Korea is more fascist than communist. I think he is falling into the same definitional trap you are. By looking purely at policy rather than mindset, he is making a categorical mistake, but it’s not so severe since fascism and communism are like closely related cousins.

ChickenHead
ChickenHead
2 years ago

Setnaffa, I want to believe that.

Short version (have to look at the key points again, but this is basically it):

The New York Supreme Court found the city didn’t have the authority to force vaccination or deprive people of their jobs.

As the vaccine doesn’t stop catching or spreading covid, the arbitrary demands of the city was not about public health but about compliance.

It almost seems like a pocket of reason in trousers of madness.

…oooo… that’s a good one… better capitalize that.

It almost seems like a Pocket of Reason in Trousers of Madness.

Unlike every other state(?), the New York Supreme Court is not the highest court. There is a Court of Appeals above that. Soooo… this can still be overturned. There is still plenty of room for crazy.

But at least it shows not every institution has been bought off financially or politically.

As we watch the high-profile failure of the bivalent booster in real-time and we head into Winter Wave 2022/2023 where a new strain will likely infect the vaccinated more than the naturally immune, let’s see if more people stop lying to themselves and start honestly looking at the situation.

Current situation:

– most(?) of the unvaccinated have caught covid in 2022

– most(?) of the vaccinated have caught covid in 2022 despite being Safe and Effective

– there doesn’t seem to be a big difference in outcomes for apples-to-apples comparisons of the same demographics. This is especially true in the healthy under-50 where the negative outcome is pretty much zero no matter what status.

– it appears some of the vaccinated have caught covid twice while the naturally immune have not. But this is not an alarmingly large percentage.

Things to look for in the next wave:

– Will there be a noticeable difference in reinfection rates of vaxxed and unvaxxed?

– will the bivalent booster, based on two extinct strains, have any effectiveness in the short and long terms?

– How will the new strain compare… lethalness, transmission, etc.

Other news:

A study in Africa found that prostitutes developed some immunity to AIDS. The theory was constant exposure to the virus in very small quantities that could be fought off, trained the immune system without overwhelming it.

With this in mind, any time someone I know catches covid, I take them a care bag while they isolate and expose myself in hopes of stimulating my immune system… a natural booster.

No idea if this works.

So far, no covid and lots of good will.

Not exactly a bad deal.

liz
liz
2 years ago

Heh, CH, I do know some unvaccinated folks who had covid more than once (I also know a lot of vaccinated people who had covid more than once…everyone I know on this mountain in fact, and every pilot I know who flies for the airlines). My spouse got covid before the vaccines were available. When they became obligatory his reasoning wasn’t so much against the vaccine, but since he had the virus and the antibodies there was not much point in getting it. He foresaw that if he agreed once he’d be stuck having to take a new booster every time it came out (this does not seem to be happening, probably due to people who likewise refused, SWA has a 60 percent vaccination rate and probably the most former military pilots in the industry, though that is changing as they retire out).

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