ROK Drop Open Thread – August 18, 2023

1. The best way to detetmine what the left is up to is simply to observe what they accuse others of doing.

2. Korean Person, I hate to break it to you but there is no GI Korea. ROK Drop was converted to a non-profit organization years ago. Its original funding was generous and its expenses are low so its endowment grows every year.

The original GI Korea has been replaced by a board of directors which make an occasional post to manufacture a little controvery over THAAD or gun control when things become a bit quiet.

I presume, like most social media, they have been somewhat influenced by the Deep State to help flush out enemies of America, both foreign and domestic.

(Enemies of America, not enemies of Americans.)

So, ROK Drop isn’t going away no matter how much the Chinabots want it to.

See Rule #1

Let me put it more clearly. And this is about ideas in various locations, not just sammiches.

It is very suspicious that setnaffa suddenly appears right after Chickenhead.

Super informative, Korea Man. +1.

Here is what I saw. There are lessons here that should teach us or remind us… and make us better people with a higher survival rate.

Normalcy bias: People continued driving into the tunnel even though it was clearly flooding. People waited in their cars when they should have been running for the downstream exit.

Lack of predictive analytics: It should have been quickly clear that the tunnel would flood to the roof. It is the lowest spot in the area (below the river), this amount of water is not simple rain, there can be no rescue. It should have been clear how fast the water was rising and how that need to be managed.

Lollygagging: walking when running was an appropriate response… or at least using hands in conjunction with walking to speed up movement (hold your cellphone in your mouth). Sitting on a car instead of moving toward that bright light at the end.

Inability to swim: this is a reminder that swimming is a fundemental human skill… learn it as an adult and make sure your children are 100% comfortable in the water. My ability to swim has saved my life a couple of times and saved the life of two others. (A drowning mother will climb on her drowning daughter in a vision that sticks with me as an informative lesson rather than a traumatic image).

Dumbass drivers: slowing and stopping instead of realizing the need to exit the situation as fast as possible (reminded of a guy who hit the brakes when an IED went off instead of getting out of the area at top speed). A bus driver responsible for a load of people should put it in granddaddy low and clear the pathway of crap drivers slowing to a crawl while thinking… thinking… thinking to wait out the water?

In the end, it is generally better to address abnormal situations you dont understand by running away from them as quickly as possible and being called a scaredy-cat than sticking around and being called a chilling statistic.

Interesting. If you are pro Joe and Kammy … you are an anti-Xi.

President Joe Biden’s summit with Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida and South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol at Camp David was meant to serve as a show of force as the countries grapple with persistent provocative behavior from North Korea and with China’s military and economic aggressions.

Biden’s call for ‘new era of cooperation’ with Japan and South Korea likely to ramp up tensions with Beijing

By Arlette Saenz, Kayla Tausche and Donald Judd, CNN
Updated 12:23 PM EDT, Sat August 19, 2023

“Biden’s call for ‘new era of cooperation’ with Japan and South Korea likely to ramp up tensions with Beijing”

Let’s hope this cooperation isn’t the same level of cooperation that sees Ukraine being supplied with just enough weapons and support to prolong the war and slowly destroy the country, but never enough to break through Russia’s pre-defensive line.

This supposed new cooperation between U-K-J: does this mean the US will stop the discriminating treatment of South Korea? South Korea by far had the largest manufacturing Foreign Direct Investment in the US last year, outstripping all of the EU combined. South Korea is playing the most critical role in helping the US with boosting chips and batteries to contain China. Isn’t it time the US gives South Korea the same equal treatment that the US gives the EU and Japan? Let’s start with US’s refusal to give South Korea an unlimited currency swap that the US gives to EU and Japan.

Isn’t it time the US gives South Korea the same equal treatment that the US gives the EU and Japan.

You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about or asking for.

Uh, sure… guess it’s time to call up State Department to let them know it’s time to flood South Korea with millions of Islamic refugees and Africans. Oh, I almost forgot, how about some Ukrainian refugees too, and don’t forget supplying F-16s and tanks to the AFU as well!

Anyone have Soros on line? We have to let him know it’s time to increase budgeting in South Korea. Time for some of that open society money funding naked angry feminists running through the streets screaming for “equal rights.” There’s a distinct lack of BLM/Antifa/feminist/LGBTQIAA++++ activity in Korea, time to change that. Should be easy now that Soros is cutting operations in Europe.

I don’t want to get into the proverbial weeds, but overall, South Korea is treated far better than America’s Western allies.

As for Japan… I forget where I read it, but shortly after 1945 American communists were utilized by the American occupation government to rewrite Japanese history and laws (I’ll have to dig up my old books on this for the details). They castrated Japan spiritually as well as militarily much to the chagrin of traditionalists like Mishima. It was a deeply traumatic experience, but in all fairness, the Japanese were kinda asking for it. Now if one is advocating equal treatment to the Japanese, I guess you’ll be happy to have Korea’s constitution rewritten by State Department.

Equal treatment to Japan, eh?

So Ulsan and Pusan need a bit of the old Oppenheimer Treatment to satisfy the thirst for equality?

Noted.

1. The best way to detetmine what the left is up to is simply to observe what they accuse others of doing.

Sadly, incels in CCP prison camps can’t understand individuality not being handed to them on their daily talking points memo and sanitary napkin.

It is true that you can determine what setnaffa and his sockpuppets are up to by simply observing them accusing us Koreans of being “chinabots.”

Check out this article which gives a summary of what the occupation government (GHQ), staffed by State Department and FDR administrators, did to Japan.

-They freed thousands of communists and legalized the Japanese Communist Party. Some of whom would participate in various GHQ committees that drafted the new constitution.

-The JCP would then go on to dominate Japan’s education system due to the American Trade Union Law of December 1945.

-GHQ also created the Science Council of Japan for the purpose of preventing/impeding R&D that could have beneficial security purposes. The council is well known for Chinese Communist connections.

While it can be argued the article is from a “pro-Japanese” website, the basic facts are easily verifiable.

Not covered in the article is the communist insurrection in Japan during the period of 1950-1970. Shocking I say! Surely it has nothing to do with GHQ’s policies! During the Cold War, one hand (State Department) of the American Empire spawned communism, yet the other hand (DOD) was tasked with containing communism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Op1kSWOCCs

There were fears of a revolution and the Japanese government went so far as secretly training paramilitary forces for the possibility. Mishima’s Tatenokai was one of them. A decision that had it’s own blowback in the form of an attempted coup, though arguably it was more political performance.

It is well know that the US has no qualms about giving Japan access to the latest military technologies

The US actively undermined domestic Japanese military R&D via the Science Council of Japan created in 1949. One of the purposes of the council was to oppose scientific research for military purposes. The US gave Japan access to American military technologies with the understanding that Japan would not be a major defense industry competitor. This is unlike South Korea which is shaping up to be one of the world’s largest arms exporters.

I suppose if you want equal treatment to the Japanese, you’d also be fine with having America establish a Korean Science Council that would partly disband the indigenous defense industry.

“Dumbass drivers:

More deragotary remarks about the victims of the tunnel tragedy by the Setnaffarians.”

I believe I expressed it more eloquently than that.

But did you watch the video?

Drivers entered a clearly flooding tunnel and then stopped and waited for… it to drain? Rescue?

Let’s be honest here. This is not intelligent behavior.

I understand why it happened.

Normalcy bias (nothing dangerous ever happens), over-reliance on government to solve problems (if it was a problem, it would be blocked), inattention (can I finish a bottle of soju before my favorite drama ends?), 8282 (I certainly don’t want to drive the long way).

Is that an excuse?

Maybe. I narrowly avoided death brought on by inattention once. That was a real lesson. Had I been a little less lucky, people would be saying the same thing about me. “What was he thinking? Why didn’t he…”

If you disagree, feel free to explain why their action was correct and why the results would have been worse if they had done things differently.

But respond carefully, lest you remind me of the report of Colin Powell’s death where they said, with a straight face, how it would have been worse if he hadn’t been vaccinated.

These are the same treatments given to other key European, Japanese, and Israeli allies that South Korea doesn’t get for some ungodly reason that none of the Americans here can explain.

As soon as you start reprocessing fuel, you start getting large amounts of plutonium, which isn’t economical as a fuel source and further complicates waste disposal. It is very useful for making bombs though. Giving consent to reprocessing is de facto consent to bomb making capacity. In theory, plutonium could be economical as a fuel in fast-neutron reactors, but no reactors have yet proven reliable. As a reminder, South Korea in a joint 1992 declaration with North Korea promised to not develop reprocessing capability, a stance the South has been happy to uphold, so resistance to South Korean reprocessing also comes from internal politics.

Now that this is established, let’s point out you are lumping Europe and Israel together with Japan is conflating the history. There were drastically different circumstances pertaining to their reprocessing.

Japan is the only non nuclear weapon state that reprocesses fuel. They were the only ones “granted” the right to reprocess. This occurred during the Carter administration during the oil shock. They managed to fool the Americans into thinking plutonium reactors would solve the energy crisis. For reasons stated prior, it did not.

European nuclear reprocessing states got into the nuclear club before American anti-nuclear proliferation efforts. They weren’t granted anything by the Americans, but today they certainly are being “granted” American guidance on green energy and dismantlement.

Israel went fully nuclear without admitting it went nuclear. Due to the sensitivity of the regional politics, they weren’t persecuted for it. Again, the Americans did not grant them anythings like it did for Japan. They simply went for it. South Korea could likely do the same (hint hint wink wink) but it doesn’t because the internal political will isn’t there.

Points 2 and 3 extend from the nuclear reprocessing issue and are not interesting to cover in depth, but suffice to say, Russia and China would not appreciate so expect economic reprisals among other things.

Point 4… why they hell do you want to further tie the Won to the Dollar!? Unlimited line of currency swaps would not increase stability, it would off shore American inflation. The current volatility is due to global supply chain fuck up and can’t be fixed by paper.

– you seek to drive a wedge in any anti-China alliance

– you promote policies that damage Korea

I believe setnaffa’s sockpuppet described setnaffa. 😀

GrayBlack is saying pretty much the same thing.

I’m being very patient with you explaining the history. If you’d stop strawmanning for a second, you might learn a thing or two.

As I point out, what happened with Japan isn’t what happened with Europe which is also not what happened with Israel. The circumstances surrounding reprocessing differ from South Korea. The US did not “grant” the right to reprocess to Europeans or Israel. The former joined the nuclear club before the door shut and the later utilized geopolitical leverage to unofficially go full nuclear. The only country “granted” reprocessing capability was Japan which made an awfully well timed lobby during the oil shock. I also point out that the US has been trying to stuff the genie back into the lamp in the case of Europe.

Furthermore, I point out South Korea could probably do what Israel did and get away with it, but don’t be surprised at the geopolitical implications that would draw both Chinese and Russian ire. I also point out that South Korea’s own internal politics is preventing that scenario. The 1992 declaration is merely a hint, the SK political establishment, on both left and right, isn’t willing to drop the from the list of NPT signatories for various reasons.

Whether or not South Korea starts reprocessing is really up to themselves. They already have all the technology to do so and the US would likely turn a blind eye, but it’s clear there would be no economical reason to reprocess. The only practical use of plutonium being bombs. As of now, the production of plutonium (and long range rockets with nuclear subs) would set off alarm bells in Beijing and Moscow more than in Washington or Tokyo.

“If you’d stop strawmanning for a second, you might learn a thing or two.”

He is here to strawman, not to learn.

But your information is not wasted. I am learning.

This makes perfect sense and fits into my understanding of history.

I agree. This is a non-issue for Korea. There is zero gain and it is bad neighborly politics.

Besides, South Korea is outsourcing its offensive nuke and missile capabilities to North Korea.

At some point, North Korea will collapse and South Korea will be there to safeguard their nuclear technology.

That is going to be an interesting time for those who are brave.

If you play in traffic, don’t be surprised if you get hit.

A threat like that is indisputable proof that I am working for the cars.

BTW, whatever happened to the bikini bike couple?

Chinabot thinks The Hill is anything even but liberal?

Poor silly chinabot. We really do pity you.

Only China cares about Yoon. And only because he’s not a puppet of Beijing.

The rest of us recognize South Koreans have a right to elect whom they want.

Even Moon. We complained about moonpie because he was destroying the South Korean econonmy and that hurt our friends.

But a careful and truthful examination of what we wrote would uncover the fact that we agreed he was South Korea’s self-inflicted disaster, not ours.

Yoon has his own path to walk. We’ll see where it takes him.

Chinabot thinks The Hill is anything even but liberal?

setnaffa, you missed your chemo treatment again, please contact my office to arrange an appointment before the big tumor on your neck grows bigger. Thanks.

The chinabots continue to make me laugh! They are obviously from a country where doctors don’t really know how to use the right chemo.

I recommend they send folks to MD Anderson for training.

While they’re pathetic and amusing, I dreadto think what sort of sewage-oil-based “medicine” they’re calling “chemo” in Xinjiang…

Or do they just feed them piss-eggs?

Look it up. That’s a real Chinese medicine under the CCP…

Prigozhin didn’t kill himself.