Thais irked by strict Korean immigration procedures
setnaffa
1 year ago
@Bob, that sounds like the beginning of a lively debate between CH and Smokes…
ChickenHead
1 year ago
The only thing I got out of that article is if I keep a Thai girl chained in my basement, nobody will come looking for her.
setnaffa
1 year ago
Good job GI, if it was your removing fake Julia’s link!
Korean Man
1 year ago
Around 157,000 Thai nationals are residing here without permits
As opposed to about 23,000 LEGAL residents from Thailand, residing LEGALLY in South Korea.
That’s an illegal-stay to legal-stay rate of almost 7 times. That’s unheard of. Also, there have been many news reports of huge high-profile cases of Thai nationals caught smuggling a record-breaking amount of drugs into South Korea.
Thailand is one of the very few Southeast Asian countries that South Korea has a no-visa agreement for tourism which is why so many Thais are breaking the law to get into the country by exploiting the no-visa clause.
This has nothing to do with racism, but everything to do with how the illegal Thais are hurting their own people – Thais who are abiding by the immigration law.
ChickenHead
1 year ago
“This has nothing to do with racism, but everything to do with how the illegal Thais are hurting their own people – Thais who are abiding by the immigration law.”
Keep going. You almost have it.
Since black people are 6.3 times more likely to commit murder and 8.1 times more likely to commit robbery when compared to the rest of America, it makes sense for law enforcement to give them more attention.
It has nothing to do with racism, but everything to do with how black criminals are hurting their own people.
Bonus: Those numbers are actually much higher when compared to white people but Hispanics are intentionally thrown into the mix to dilute the statistics.
Double Bonus: A problem that won’t be recognized, can’t be fixed.
Korean Man
1 year ago
Chickenhead, all I did point out is the reality of Thais in Korea.
On the other hand that doesn’t mean that I agree with strict immigration policies that produce such illegal stays.
Thais like Korea because there are plenty of jobs in manufacturing and agriculture that offer the highest wages in Asia. Similar countries like Japan, Singapore, and Taiwan, all offer horribly exploitative low wages for foreign laborers. Many of them are exploited for five, six, or seven hundred dollars a month – wages much lower than South Korea’s minimum wages for all (for Koreans and foreigners) of around $1500 a month. This is what Yoon is trying to eliminate – and make Korea like the rest of Asia (Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, UAE, Saudi, etc), by getting rid of wage fairness in the form of minimum wage for foreign laborers.
What Yoon is proposing, would definitely stop all those illegals coming in, who won’t be so enthused about working for far less than minimum wage anymore. It wouldn’t be worth it anymore.
But is that what South Korea needs right now? Thai workers are popular in the farming areas because they get the job done, and there are no Koreans who are under 60 who want to harvest the crops. Without those Thai workers (and Vietnamese, Chinese, Cambodian, etc etc), the prices of produce and manufactured goods in Korea will skyrocket because so many crops will go rot in the fields unharvested.
Things like the clash with Thailand happen because South Korea’s immigration policy gives no pathway or very little way for legal immigration. If the immigration policy had been more liberal, there would have been far fewer illegal Thais, and there would have been no immigration scrutiny on Thais that would have led to international backlashes.
setnaffa
1 year ago
November 5, 1950: British and Australian forces from the 27th British Commonwealth Brigade successfully halted the advancing Chinese 117th Division during the Battle of Pakchon, about 50 miles north of Pyongyang. 14 of the brave men were killed and 84 were wounded.
Actor Michael Caine as in one of the units that replaced the 27th about a year later.
ChickenHead
1 year ago
Only a chinabot would advocate distructive immigration policies that involve importing worthless people to bring third world values back to Korea.
Much of Korea learned the lesson of the filipina brides for old farmers.
You did not.
…or you are a chinabot looking for ways to erode Korea.
setnaffa
1 year ago
Are Thailand and Siam synonymous?
GrayBlack
1 year ago
One of my pure ethnic Korean cousins married a pure ethnic Korean farmer who owns a small family run farm in rural South Korea. Even though it’s entirely a single family business, no hired labor, they make quite a bit more money than the average South Korean. 80% of labor is concentrated in harvest and planting seasons, and most of the year is “free time”. I noticed their house in the country side is huge by SK standards and full of all the digital era luxuries, no doubt due to much lower cost of living in rural areas, and they financially prosper even though they have 5 (or maybe 6? it keeps increasing every year) children (heh, free labor). Oh, and the farmer has a graduate degree in agricultural science. Smart guy. Appears to me SK doesn’t need foreign farm labor and really needs more small family owned farms, but public perception of farmers is that they are a bunch of ignorant low class idiots. The masses, it appears, would rather be barely surviving service sector workers in Seoul with no children and no leisure time. Sad. The same is true in America. No one wants to be a farmer yet I notice the farmers are driving BMWs and making considerably more money than oh so “prestigious” academics.
Really, consider how odd it is that “dirty” farmers are perceived as lower status than nurses when it’s the medical professionals that are tasked with working in a building full of filthly disease and human waste. As wonderful saving a patient life is, there wouldn’t be anyone to save without life sustaining food. Logically the small farmer who owns his land and makes more money should be higher status; however, culture says: “come to Seoul to be a service sector worker” so everyone goes to Seoul and becomes a service sector worker.
The “need” for foreign labour is entirely due to a cultural bias against working the land, a legacy policy choice of the 60s to facilitate rapid industrialization and drive down fertility. Completely outdated when industrialization is complete and fertility needs to be higher. Reversal of this policy would be fairly trivial. Culture is downstream of power. Media in South Korea is mostly state controlled, so the government would merely need to “encourage”, so to speak, Kdramas to promote rural living and farming instead of proletariat café baristas #350,001 (2016 reportedly had 350,000 certified baristas, actual number is likely far higher). Kick out all the low class hordes of migrants and set up something like the American homestead act with financial and technical support, and SK would have a burgeoning new population of petite bourgeoisie/kulaks…
setnaffa
1 year ago
Makes sense, GrayBlack, if the SK gummint wants individuals to succeed.
The current policies are more supportive of everyone on their knees in front of a gummint official, begging for a handful of rice, with nowhere else to turn.
Like North Korea seems to be…
Liz
1 year ago
Well said, Grayblack!
(our middle son is now seriously dating an asian girl…moved to Colorado with her family and korean is her first language. She is less than half his size, tiny thing…he is 6’5” and 220)
Last edited 1 year ago by Liz
Korean Man
1 year ago
Watch a “tiny” Korean woman getting pulverized by a gangster attacker for walking the streets in Australia.
If true, this is a wrong message to send to foreign countries, and the Korean minister who said this should be fired, especially in light of the fact that 78% of all Thai visitors to South Korea, end up staying illegally according to the Thai immigration office.
Liz
1 year ago
I’m pretty sure those “gangster” attackers are girls.
They’re all about the same size.
Not a lot of dark people in Australia, from what I’ve been told.
Last edited 1 year ago by Liz
setnaffa
1 year ago
Actually, Liz, the demographics in Australia might surprise you… their “Democrats” have the same $#!+ for brains planning as California’s.
Han “Hana” Lee 41, of Cambridge, Massachusetts, James Lee, 68, of Torrance, California and Junmyung Lee, 30, of Dedham, Massachusetts were arrested Wednesday and charged with conspiracy to coerce and entice others to travel to engage in illegal sexual activity.
https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/culture/2023/11/141_362529.html
Thais irked by strict Korean immigration procedures
@Bob, that sounds like the beginning of a lively debate between CH and Smokes…
The only thing I got out of that article is if I keep a Thai girl chained in my basement, nobody will come looking for her.
Good job GI, if it was your removing fake Julia’s link!
As opposed to about 23,000 LEGAL residents from Thailand, residing LEGALLY in South Korea.
That’s an illegal-stay to legal-stay rate of almost 7 times. That’s unheard of. Also, there have been many news reports of huge high-profile cases of Thai nationals caught smuggling a record-breaking amount of drugs into South Korea.
Thailand is one of the very few Southeast Asian countries that South Korea has a no-visa agreement for tourism which is why so many Thais are breaking the law to get into the country by exploiting the no-visa clause.
This has nothing to do with racism, but everything to do with how the illegal Thais are hurting their own people – Thais who are abiding by the immigration law.
“This has nothing to do with racism, but everything to do with how the illegal Thais are hurting their own people – Thais who are abiding by the immigration law.”
Keep going. You almost have it.
Since black people are 6.3 times more likely to commit murder and 8.1 times more likely to commit robbery when compared to the rest of America, it makes sense for law enforcement to give them more attention.
It has nothing to do with racism, but everything to do with how black criminals are hurting their own people.
Bonus: Those numbers are actually much higher when compared to white people but Hispanics are intentionally thrown into the mix to dilute the statistics.
Double Bonus: A problem that won’t be recognized, can’t be fixed.
Chickenhead, all I did point out is the reality of Thais in Korea.
On the other hand that doesn’t mean that I agree with strict immigration policies that produce such illegal stays.
Thais like Korea because there are plenty of jobs in manufacturing and agriculture that offer the highest wages in Asia. Similar countries like Japan, Singapore, and Taiwan, all offer horribly exploitative low wages for foreign laborers. Many of them are exploited for five, six, or seven hundred dollars a month – wages much lower than South Korea’s minimum wages for all (for Koreans and foreigners) of around $1500 a month. This is what Yoon is trying to eliminate – and make Korea like the rest of Asia (Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, UAE, Saudi, etc), by getting rid of wage fairness in the form of minimum wage for foreign laborers.
What Yoon is proposing, would definitely stop all those illegals coming in, who won’t be so enthused about working for far less than minimum wage anymore. It wouldn’t be worth it anymore.
But is that what South Korea needs right now? Thai workers are popular in the farming areas because they get the job done, and there are no Koreans who are under 60 who want to harvest the crops. Without those Thai workers (and Vietnamese, Chinese, Cambodian, etc etc), the prices of produce and manufactured goods in Korea will skyrocket because so many crops will go rot in the fields unharvested.
Things like the clash with Thailand happen because South Korea’s immigration policy gives no pathway or very little way for legal immigration. If the immigration policy had been more liberal, there would have been far fewer illegal Thais, and there would have been no immigration scrutiny on Thais that would have led to international backlashes.
November 5, 1950: British and Australian forces from the 27th British Commonwealth Brigade successfully halted the advancing Chinese 117th Division during the Battle of Pakchon, about 50 miles north of Pyongyang. 14 of the brave men were killed and 84 were wounded.
Actor Michael Caine as in one of the units that replaced the 27th about a year later.
Only a chinabot would advocate distructive immigration policies that involve importing worthless people to bring third world values back to Korea.
Much of Korea learned the lesson of the filipina brides for old farmers.
You did not.
…or you are a chinabot looking for ways to erode Korea.
Are Thailand and Siam synonymous?
One of my pure ethnic Korean cousins married a pure ethnic Korean farmer who owns a small family run farm in rural South Korea. Even though it’s entirely a single family business, no hired labor, they make quite a bit more money than the average South Korean. 80% of labor is concentrated in harvest and planting seasons, and most of the year is “free time”. I noticed their house in the country side is huge by SK standards and full of all the digital era luxuries, no doubt due to much lower cost of living in rural areas, and they financially prosper even though they have 5 (or maybe 6? it keeps increasing every year) children (heh, free labor). Oh, and the farmer has a graduate degree in agricultural science. Smart guy. Appears to me SK doesn’t need foreign farm labor and really needs more small family owned farms, but public perception of farmers is that they are a bunch of ignorant low class idiots. The masses, it appears, would rather be barely surviving service sector workers in Seoul with no children and no leisure time. Sad. The same is true in America. No one wants to be a farmer yet I notice the farmers are driving BMWs and making considerably more money than oh so “prestigious” academics.
Really, consider how odd it is that “dirty” farmers are perceived as lower status than nurses when it’s the medical professionals that are tasked with working in a building full of filthly disease and human waste. As wonderful saving a patient life is, there wouldn’t be anyone to save without life sustaining food. Logically the small farmer who owns his land and makes more money should be higher status; however, culture says: “come to Seoul to be a service sector worker” so everyone goes to Seoul and becomes a service sector worker.
The “need” for foreign labour is entirely due to a cultural bias against working the land, a legacy policy choice of the 60s to facilitate rapid industrialization and drive down fertility. Completely outdated when industrialization is complete and fertility needs to be higher. Reversal of this policy would be fairly trivial. Culture is downstream of power. Media in South Korea is mostly state controlled, so the government would merely need to “encourage”, so to speak, Kdramas to promote rural living and farming instead of proletariat café baristas #350,001 (2016 reportedly had 350,000 certified baristas, actual number is likely far higher). Kick out all the low class hordes of migrants and set up something like the American homestead act with financial and technical support, and SK would have a burgeoning new population of petite bourgeoisie/kulaks…
Makes sense, GrayBlack, if the SK gummint wants individuals to succeed.
The current policies are more supportive of everyone on their knees in front of a gummint official, begging for a handful of rice, with nowhere else to turn.
Like North Korea seems to be…
Well said, Grayblack!
(our middle son is now seriously dating an asian girl…moved to Colorado with her family and korean is her first language. She is less than half his size, tiny thing…he is 6’5” and 220)
Watch a “tiny” Korean woman getting pulverized by a gangster attacker for walking the streets in Australia.
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/crime/bash-the-b-racist-teens-attack-young-korean-woman-in-sydney/news-story/66e99ecb092e5c6ed6b67aa0e1f87783
And here, people are telling me only the darkies do these types of deeds.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2678409
If true, this is a wrong message to send to foreign countries, and the Korean minister who said this should be fired, especially in light of the fact that 78% of all Thai visitors to South Korea, end up staying illegally according to the Thai immigration office.
I’m pretty sure those “gangster” attackers are girls.
They’re all about the same size.
Not a lot of dark people in Australia, from what I’ve been told.
Actually, Liz, the demographics in Australia might surprise you… their “Democrats” have the same $#!+ for brains planning as California’s.
You already knew; but just in case:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3Ne-1F8pOU
Everyone ready for the coup in Ukraine?
Zalensky out and Zaluzhny in.
That will complicate the plan for Ukranian assisted genocide.
Han “Hana” Lee 41, of Cambridge, Massachusetts, James Lee, 68, of Torrance, California and Junmyung Lee, 30, of Dedham, Massachusetts were arrested Wednesday and charged with conspiracy to coerce and entice others to travel to engage in illegal sexual activity.