Next Generation Defense or Potential Money Maker?
|The ROK Army is getting a defense upgrade with the introduction of the XK2 “Black Panther“:
Korea’s first domestically-made amphibious tank, featuring an auto loaded 120-mm cannon, rolled off the assembly line in Changwon, Friday (March 2).
The next-generation tank, code named “XK2” and nicknamed “Black Panther,” will replace the older K1 and American M47/48 tanks starting in 2011, defense officials said.
The new model features an auto loaded 120 mm cannon, can reach speeds of up to 70 km per hour, and can cross rivers as deep as 4.1 meters using a snorkle, according to its developer, the Agency for Defense Development (ADD).
At the launch ceremony for the tank, President Roh Moo-hyun stressed that Korea’s development of a top-tier weapon such as the XK2 with its own technology testifies to the country’s defense capability.
“The development of the world’s top-level tank–in both mobility and firepower–with our own technology shows the world our commitment to self-defense,” Roh said during the ceremony held at the ADD facilities in Changwon, Gyeongsang nam-do (South Gyeongsang Province).
This really does appear to be a great tank. The tank is a bit lighter than a US M1 and the armament and speed are slightly better. The tank can also drive underwater with a big snorkel which I would love to see a demonstration of how long it can stay underwater like that. You can watch this KBS video of the K1 in action which includes a demonstration of it underwater capability. The XK2 just like the K1 also maintains the hydraulic technology that allows the tank to fire down hill, which is extremely important in mountainous terrain like Korea.
The automatic loader feature of the XK2 is a great innovation, which means that the tank crew is one man less than a normal tank crew. It may not seem like a big deal, but when you start massing producing these tanks across the force that saved man power adds up. Additionally it has its own C4I technology which means that the tank commander has a screen where he can digitally see through GPS technology where friendly and enemy units are located at and send messages and issue orders through this screen to adjacent units. This is a great system if it works. What I’m curious about is if the C4I technology is compatible with US C4I? Would the ROK Army assets appear on US military C4I screens? I suspect not.
The air defense capabilities of the tank may be over stated. I have seen M1 tanks during National Training Center rotations shoot down helicopters plenty of times by massing fires on the target. US air defenders who used to man Bradley Stinger Fighting Vehicles would train shooting down helicopters using the Bradley’s 25mm cannon. So the fact that the XK2’s main gun can shoot down a helicopter is nothing new. What is interesting is that the fitted the tank with a Identify Friendly Foe (IFF) system that is used to interrogate aircraft to see if they are hostile or not. This tends to indicate that the tank may be used as a primary air defense weapon. It will be interesting to see how this plays out because if the tank can properly execute an air defense mission then that could save more man power by not needing as many air defense soldiers.
The importance of saving man power may not be important now for the ROK Army, but it will be important if the ROK decides implement an all volunteer force in the future. First of all you don’t have to recruit as many people and secondly you don’t have to pay to train or retain those soldiers that would normally fill that position. Over the long run that becomes a big defense savings. Additionally, countries that Korea may attempt to sell this system to, may have all volunteer forces which makes the system more appealing to them to purchase.
The price of the tank is steep though, costing about $8.5 million US dollars per tank. Compare that cost to a US M1 Abrams that the latest models cost around $4.3 million US dollars per tank. The bottom line is that the tank is slightly better than an M1 Abrams, but is it worth double the cost of buying a M1? That all depends on the size of the pocket book of countries interested in buying it. Especially when you factor things like how much does it cost to up keep the tank per year? Additionally, the availability of parts is another critical aspect of this tank for any international buyers.
I think it is important to realize that the production of this new tank is more likely driven initially by its export potential than President Roh’s claims to a “commitment to self-defense”. Take a look for example at Korea’s recent introduction of the K-9/K-10 “Thunder” self propelled artillery system.
The K9/K10 system is one of the best self propelled artillery system in the world and superior even to the US M109 “Paladin” system and vastly superior if equipped with the K10 package. However, before the system was even fielded to the ROK Army it was being sold and exported abroad. The first country the developer of the K9, Samsung Techwin, sold the system to was Turkey who received its first batch of K9s in 2004 and has since bought the license from Samsung Techwin to domestically produce the K9 in Turkey. Turkey is expected to field a force of 300 K9s by 2011. This total deal for Samsung Techwin was worth a reported $1 billion US dollars.
Samsung Techwin is continuing to test the system for potential international buyers such as Malaysia, Australia, and Spain to name a few interested countries. The K9 is expected to claim 31% of the world’s self propelled artillery market by 2015 making them the world’s leaders in this field over rivals such as Germany and Japan. While the K9 is being sold overseas to countries like Turkey, the ROK Army still hasn’t been fully fielded with the new K9.
I expect the XK2 will probably also be aggressively marketed overseas to potential buyers just like the K9/K10. This statement by ADD Direct Ahn Dong-man tends to support my thesis:
Having developed a tank, a land weapon symbol, based on independent technology, we not only can secure superiority over the panzer force of North Korea but also can export the tank since it has high-tech performance and price competitiveness.
I have no idea about military hardware sales and what not or capabilities of different systems — but —– my gut tells me that the tank is going to be a loser.
One question: what next generation US tank is in the works and its likely costs?
I doubt nations are going to line up to buy a Korean-built tank if it is double the costs of the US M1.
Another thought I had reading this is – these moves by South Korea must be aimed significantly at exporting arms – things like the artillery piece, this tank, and the fighter plane.
Because, if it were just geared to offer a defense force against its only realistic threat right now – North Korea – they would not need to design and field cutting-edge weapons.
What I mean is something along the lines of a question I asked at Nomad's once about NK's air defense systems and the F-4s South Korea uses – given the equipment NK has, the likely state of training and upkeep the North can afford to have in such a fallen economic state, would South Korea's fleet of aging F-4s match up well against the North's Air Force and air defenses?
If South Korea's military industry were aimed at simply defense against the North, I would think they could save a hell of a lot of money by building systems that might not be competitive on the global arms market, but would be adequate to field in bulk in the ROK military and offer a sure defeat of the North if war should come…
usinkorea,
You got the point I was hinting at in my posting. The equipment the ROK has now is capable to defend the nation. The upgraded equipment has more to do with Korea attempting to become a major international arms supplier than it does with upgrading internal defense equipment. That is why I mentioned that the K9 was already be exported and sold before the ROK Army had even had a chance to field it. I suspect that is why so much publicity is being made about the XK2 Korea is promoting it to be sold and exported a broad.
Now why should we care about this? What if Korea agrees to export these tanks to some place like Iran or Venezuela?
GI Korea,
"What if Korea agrees to export these tanks to some place like Iran or Venezuela?"
We should rejoice!
Why? Because Iran or Venezuela will be boosting the Korean economy while giving easy targets for our A-10s to practice on.
Apart from that, as soon as we need to fight against them, we will lean on our Korean allies to give us the classified specs and we will immediately know their abilities and weaknesses.
I suspect this is why we love to sell our top-of-the-line fighters to other nations. We know exactly what they can do… and we always have a model that is one generation better once they turn on us and we have to fight them.
Further, when we invite their military to train with us, we make sure they learn our tactics… which means we know what they will do when we have to fight them.
This may be an oversimplification… it may even be wrong… but it is my guess. Any comments?
J!
The US for example used to sell F16s to Venezeula but back then there was no Hugo Chavez in power in Venezeula who has propped himself up as a dictator there. Thus the US has not allowed parts for his F16s to be imported making his aircraft useless unless he can get parts. It will be interesting to see what standards the Koreans will use when they make decisions to sign contracts to export these hi-tec weapons systems. Will they be like the Russians an export to anyone or stick to selling to nations like Malaysia, Spain, and Australia?
Chickenhead, as far as fighting Iran for example I much rather fight an Iran with T72s than I would an Iran equipped with hi-tec ROK weapon systems. Like I said before these Koreans are building quality weapon systems. Old Soviet junk would be easier to destroy than these bad boys.
They will sell like the Russians. They do a good bit of business in the Middle East and South America and the -stans…
What is the next Generation ROK tank's name? "Grey Panthers"?
Regarding the auto-loader concept… Auto loaders are cool but they like to break for one. Also they tend to be slower then a human. On average my loader can load a 65lb round and arm the gun in 4 seconds. Faster then the dust can clear from the round just fired.
I would never trade a human loader for an auto-loader, primary reason is one more person to pull security and maintainance.
As far as fear of it being sold to the "wrong" countries… I don't fear that much due to the cost. Even if they were exported to said countries, the cost would limit the number they would purchace.
Another factor would be the crews. You could have a super weapon system that can do anything but it would be useless without the proper training, modivation, and tactics.
Michael, you obviously know nothing about the auto loader and its capability in this new Korean tank. And we already have a potential customer – Turkey. I'll even venture out and say, it's a done deal.
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200703/kt2…
So is there anything wrong with ROK looking at this tank as an export item, as it should be? Korea is not a great tank country anyway. It's mountainous terrain prevents it. ROK should keep a few of these, and export the majority. Money should be better spent on upgrading the professionalism of the infantry and upgrading the air force.
There's more article on this tank.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/03/south-korea-un…
See the tank in action, what it can do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHB25DFGF9g
Tom, I don't have a problem with Korea exporting the tank, I am only wondering what standards will they use when exporting it? Will they sell to anyone like the Russians or be selective on who they sell to? With K9 system so far Samsung Techwin has been selective on who they sell to.
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Okay I read that article and I didn't see anything about the reliability of the auto-loader.
Tom, I am not trying to knock the Korean defense industry at all, I am happy that Korea is becoming self developing in its weapon systems. I was stoked to see the remote guns around the FOB in Iraq, just awesome.
I just know that auto-loaders are very maintainence heavy and I'm sure there will be unforseen issues with it. And no not because Korea made it either.
Michael, the thing regarding the autoloader on the K2 seems to be pretty reliable to me. I've seen a trial video which shows the tank's autoloader in action, and it's nowhere as complicated as the old Russian systems which are prone to breaking down. The number of movements required for the K2's autoloader is quite small, so I would expect it to last longer and less maintainence intensive, too. Also, K2's autoloader can load a round within 4 seconds, which is more or less on par with a human loader.
ALL THE ARTICALS I'VE SEEN ON THIS TANK MENTION NOTHING
ABOUT IT'S ARMOUR. THE DEFENSIVE ABILITIES LOOK GREAT
FOR INCOMING MISSLES OR ARTILLERY. FOR THE PRICE TAG
THIS TANK SHOULD HAVE THE CHOBHAM ARMOUR , BUT AGAIN
NO MENTION ABOUT IT'S ARMOUR AT ALL….
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