ROK Drop Open Thread – November 16, 2014

Gruber said Americans are stupid. He’s only a contract worker like Chickenhead who also calls Americans stupid and worse.

I think I know why the GOP still hasn’t come up with their own version of the Affordable Care Act(an example might be Medicare part D) I especially like the part where prescription drug prices are fixed or cannot be negotiated.

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-who-really-benefits-when-republicans-change-medicare-2012-9
“However, as will be documented here, the historical record is clear that Republican politicians do not push privatization in order to provide more services to the public at lower cost, but instead to provide new taxpayer-subsidized profit-centers for Republican-donating corporations.

This was why George W. Bush and congressional Republicans overcame almost solid Democratic opposition and wrote, and passed into law, the Medicare Part D privatized drug and insurance options that “added $15.5 trillion (in present value terms) to our nation’s indebtedness” according even to Republican economist Bruce Bartlett.

The first major emergency endangering the continuance of Medicare occurred in 2008, when President Bush and the Republicans in Congress tried to block Democrats from halting a 10.6% cut, which Bush’s plan forced in the rate-schedule that traditional Medicare paid doctors for their services to their patients under Medicare. This pay-cut to doctors was expected to cause so many physicians to abandon traditional Medicare patients, that the traditional Medicare program would likely collapse. This pay-cut to doctors was scheduled to start on July 15th; but, just days earlier, on 9 July 2008, Bloomberg News bannered “Senate Votes Reversal of Cuts in Medicare Doctor Fees,” and reported that, “The Senate voted final passage of legislation that would halt a 10.6 percent cut in Medicare reimbursements to doctors.”

The cause of the 10.6% cut that the Republicans sought was in order to pay for the rising taxpayer-subsidy going to private insurers in Bush’s “Medicare Advantage” program—the Bush-initiated Part D private competitor to Medicare Part B. Democrats wanted to salvage traditional Medicare, not to cut it in order to add to the high government subsidies already being paid to those private insurers, which were huge financial backers of the Republican Party…

…The only reason enough Republicans voted, July 9th, for the Democratic bill, H.R.6331, so that it passed, was that 2008 was an election year: Millions of seniors would otherwise have voted Republicans out of office in November 2008, on account of their physicians dumping them. Because of this imminent electoral danger, President Bush’s veto of the Democratic bill was overridden—but just barely. Traditional Medicare was thus barely salvaged.

On 25 July 2008, the Los Angeles Times bannered “Medicare Part D a Boon for Drug Companies, House Report Says: Taxpayers pay up to 30% more for prescriptions under the privately administered program” than under the publicly administered one. Nicole Gaouette reported that, “U.S. drug manufacturers are reaping a windfall from taxpayers because Medicare’s privately administered prescription drug benefit program pays more than other government programs for the same medicines.

…In the two years Medicare Part D has been in effect, drug manufacturers have taken in $3.7 billion more than they would have through prices under the Medicaid program.”

For example, “Bristol-Myers made an additional $400 million from higher prices for a single drug, the stroke medication Plavix.” I looked up the political-contribution record of Bristol-Myers at opensecrets.org: it was about 75% Republican, an investment which had now been returned to Bristol-Meyers hundreds-fold.

The Republican minority on the House committee that issued this report (big beneficiaries of those same corporations) objected to it, saying many seniors had “learned to love Part D,” the Republican Medicare-supplement.

No wonder big business loves Republicans. But taxpayers and voters would hate them if only they knew the corrupt reality that stands behind conservatism (otherwise more honestly called “crony-capitalism” or “plutocracy”).

…Basically, these people were Republicans, since Republicans hate government (in a democracy).

They love “the private market” in all matters; many Republicans aren’t just conservatives, they’re “libertarians.” They favor “liberty,” such as was propagandized by Milton Friedman’s 1962 Capitalism and Freedom, and 1980 Free to Choose. (After all, conservatives in Chile’s dictatorship loved Pinochet whose economic system was designed by Milton Friedman; conservatives in Germany’s dictatorship loved Hitler who started the privatization-craze; conservatives in Spain’s dictatorship loved Franco; conservatives in Italy’s dictatorship loved Mussolini; etc.)

Thus, everybody else (that is, non-Republicans) were now paying hefty subsidies to those corporate-operated insurance plans, in order to prevent these for-profit plans from being obviously uncompetitive with the government-operated Medicare Part B insurance. In fact, the CBO study, under its sub-head “Medicare Advantage Plans Cost the Government More Than Traditional Medicare,” said: “In 2007, CBO estimates, the average payment to such [Part D] plans is 12 percent above what traditional FFS [Part B] costs.”

Now, after the Republican U.S. Supreme Court, in 2010, finally unleashed unlimited corporate political spending via their Citizens United decision, voters in Florida and elsewhere are being inundated with shady political commercials to confuse and deceive them so they’ll vote now to lock in this corruption via a Republican House, Senate, and White House. The kleptocrats are hoping that there will be enough suckers for it all to work.”

How did Bush pass Medicare schedule D?

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/03/lessons_from_the_medicare_pres.html
“Here are some things that happened on the night the GOP pushed the Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit through the House of Representatives:

A 15-minute vote was scheduled, and at the end of 15 minutes, the Democrats had won. The Republican leadership froze the clock for three hours while they desperately whipped defectors. This had never been done before.

Tom DeLay bribed Rep. Nick Smith to vote for the legislation, using the political future of Smith’s son for leverage. DeLay was later reprimanded by the House Ethics Committee.

The leadership told Rep. Jim DeMint that they would cut off funding for his Senate race in South Carolina if he didn’t vote for the bill.

The chief actuary of Medicare, Rick Foster, had scored the legislation as costing more than $500 billion. The Bush administration suppressed his report, in a move the Government Accounting Office later judged “illegal.”

Rep. Jo Ann Emerson, a “no” vote, spent the night “hiding on the Democratic side of the floor, crouching down to avoid eye contact with the Republican search team.”

Rep. Butch Otter, who provided one of the final votes after hours of arm-twisting from the Republican leadership, said, “I thought there was a chance I would get sick on the floor.”

Remember all this? Probably not. There wasn’t much reporting on it at the time. It wasn’t a major controversy, despite resulting in multiple official investigations. I went back through the archives of National Review’s “The Corner” to see if they covered the scandal. Not really…”

You really are a dummkoph aren’t you? You can’t put 1 and 1 together because you’re too stupid and don’t know math. Do I have to spell it out for you mindless moron?

1)You see dipsh*t, whatever the GOP has said about Gruber doesn’t really matter and are also lies. They said he’s the “architect” of the ACA and he “lied” to Americans which are both lies.

2)Nobody should want the GOP style of healtcare(see my first link).

3)There isn’t anything wrong with the way the ACA was written/passed compared to how the GOP/Bush put together Medicare part D(see my second link).

DUUUUUH Chickenhead.

4)GOP Hypocrisy, if you can’t see any within the above then you’re(Chickenhead etc…) retarded. Of course it might be “boring” nonetheless is certainly informational among the minions here.

More to the point ~
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/11/supreme-court-just-took-case-could-gut-obamacare-heres-how-states-can-save-it
“On Friday, the Supreme Court announced that it would hear King v. Burwell, a case that could gut Obamacare and leave millions of Americans without health insurance. The case hinges on what is essentially a typo in the Affordable Care Act, a mistake that conservatives claim invalidates most of the subsidies the bill provides to help people buy insurance. If the justices buy the conservatives’ argument—and there’s reason to think they might—residents of the 34 states that provide health insurance via the federal government’s HealthCare.gov, rather than through a state-run exchange, could lose their subsidies. Many people would be unable to afford to buy insurance (as the ACA requires), and the whole system could collapse.

Here’s the good news: There may be a workaround. But there’s also bad news: The solution requires the cooperation of Republican governors and legislators.

The King plaintiffs base their argument on the fact that in parts of the Affordable Care Act, the text says subsidies will be available for people “enrolled through an Exchange established by the State.”

HUUUUUUH, by “State”

States only matter according to GOP’s in Obamacare but not with Nebraska and the Keystone Pipeline.

The GOP wants to fasttrack the Keystone pipeline, they don’t want Obama to care/worry about Nebraska but states DO MATTER when it comes to OBAMACARE. Hehehehehe!!!!!

F***** GOP hypocrites!
http://triblive.com/news/editorspicks/7156479-74/pipeline-obama-bill#axzz3JHVvnMbu
“The pipeline fight is coming to a head as Obama is seeking to cement his environmental legacy by forging a climate deal with China, imposing carbon limits on U.S. power plants, setting aside more public land for conservation and, in an announcement made Friday, providing $3 billion to poor countries to cope with the impact of global warming.

In public, the president and his aides have said they will wait for the State Department review, which has been suspended until Nebraska’s Supreme Court rules whether the pipeline’s route through that state was properly approved. That decision could come out any day; once it does, several agencies will have a chance to comment on whether the project serves the national interest. Secretary of State John Kerry can then issue a final determination, which would be subject to presidential approval.”

“though that picked up again as the alcohol kicked in.”

As a f****** stupid dork contract worker like Gruber who gave you the authority to determine the “alcohol kicked in” stage?

You’re nothing but a F****** dummkoph!

“Maybe you did not notice, but there is very little love for the Republicans here.”

Other than Leon, who might that be???

Chickenhead has a BIG MOUTH who is quick to speak for anyone on ROKDROP. What a f*ckin dork!

Perhaps you should inform/contact your stupid girly(BIG MOUTH) minions before you say such ignoramus things because I’d guess them girlies/puppy dogs of yours would be hard pressed to say that there is non-relenting “love for the Republicans” here at the ROK DROP.

Tbone, you are the kind of guy other perceive as being beyond help.

If you are abused, you come back for more… which is not uncommon, as it is natural to react with equal hostility even if there is no substance behind it.

But if you are treated nicely or respectably, you reject it… even if the advice is sincere or correct… and you act with bitter hostility to everyone.

This attitude doesn’t get you far in your 20s… but someone still might try to help you thinking you will grow out of it. In your 30s, few will do anything for you… and will actively sabotage you the closer you get to 40. After that, you will simply be discarded like much of the human detritus one sees… angry old men bitter from a lifetime of failure, irrelevance, and disrespect.

Do you want to be there Tbone? You are well on your way.

You need to shape up your act. If you can’t be smart or amusing or clever, at least be nice.

I think we need a “Whiners About Hijackers Who Demand an Open Endless Argument Thread” thread for stupid girly bigmouth boring ignoramus dummkoph dummy dorks who love Republicans and can’t add 1 + 1.

Okay, I can’t tell if thaw was CH or a tbone sock puppet…

This whole thread is probably Obammy’s fault to begin with.

Only Jeebus can save us now…………

Gonna be tough for someone to impersonate me. I have no personality…..

I’m sure CH will give it a whirl.

Bravo old chap! Bravo!

Actually, CH made sense there… No doubt tongue-in-cheek as usual; but well-researched:

Proverbs 26:18-19 (ESV): Like a madman who throws firebrands, arrows, and death is the man who deceives his neighbor and says, “I am only joking!”

Ephesians 4:25 (ESV): Therefore, having put away falsehood, let each one of you speak the truth with his neighbor, for we are members one of another.

Psalm 15:3 (ESV): [O Lord, who shall sojourn in your tent? Who shall dwell on your holy hill?
He who walks blamelessly and does what is right and speaks truth in his heart;]

who does not slander with his tongue and does no evil to his neighbor,

[nor takes up a reproach against his friend; in whose eyes a vile person is despised, but who honors those who fear the Lord; who swears to his own hurt and does not change; who does not put out his money at interest and does not take a bribe against the innocent. He who does these things shall never be moved.]

No wonder Leon was disturbed! I’m pretty certain CH did it without reflective belt or safety goggles!!

GOP illegal/FRAUDULENT 2014 elections via dead drops on twitter
http://rt.com/usa/206403-republicans-twitter-election-fraud/
“The National Republican Congressional Committee used secret codes over Twitter to share polling data with third-party organizations, an investigation shows, possibly violating election laws forbidding third-party groups from coordinating with campaigns.

Using techniques normally associated with secret agents, an investigation by CNN showed the National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC) shared polling data with Super Political Action Committees (Super PACs) by using dead drops and cypher codes.

Reporters found that a normal tweet involved in the process would be posted on public accounts and read, for example: “CA-40/43-44/49-44/44-50/36-44/49-10/16/14-52–>49/476-10s.”

The anonymous source told CNN the tweets he or she captured in screenshots stretched back to July, but the groups have communicated in this manner for four years. Staffers for each group deleted individual tweets every few months, so only the past few months of data were available when CNN first viewed the Twitter accounts. The network’s Chris Moody argued these techniques were designed to skirt election laws.

He found out that two outside groups and a Republican campaign committee had access to the information posted to the accounts. They include American Crossroads, the super PAC founded by Karl Rove, the American Action Network, a nonprofit advocacy group, and the NRCC, which is the campaign arm for the House GOP.

And just minutes after Moody asked the NRCC about the scheme, the Twitter accounts were deleted.”

The Economist magazine offers an explanation to the question many have asked:

Why so many Koreans are called Kim?

One of the things I learned is that foreigners who become naturalized Korean citizens also get to choose their own Korean surname.

Another black man pushes Asian onto NYC subway tracks

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/16/man-nyc-subway-pushed_n_6167904.html

Keystone Fails but why was there a vote before the Nebraska pending court case has yet to be decided? Duh, the GOP would prefer to ignore that via fast tracking the deal even though S. Dakota native Americans call it “WAR.” What would the GOP do without the Keystone?
http://news.yahoo.com/u-senate-heads-vote-keystone-xl-pipeline-060923212–finance.html

“What’s more, Jon Chait argues Republicans may not actually want Keystone built, so much as they want to complain about Keystone not being built.

The trouble is, there’s little reason to think Republicans actually care about approving Keystone. Its value to them lies entirely in its use as a talking point. […]

You have to ask yourself what Republicans would get out of the pipeline. It doesn’t carry much benefit for American energy firms – the benefits would flow to Canadian oil companies, who would otherwise have to find more expensive means to transport their product…. If Obama approves the Keystone XL pipeline, then Republicans pretty much have no jobs plan any more.”

A South Dakota Sioux tribal leader says building the Keystone XL pipeline is a violation of an 1868 treaty, and threatens ‘war’ against the pipeline.
http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/2014/1118/Sioux-tribe-calls-Keystone-XL-approval-act-of-war.-What-does-that-mean
…and says it will close reservation borders if the government attempts to build a pipeline there.
“The House has now signed our death warrants and the death warrants of our children and grandchildren. The Rosebud Sioux Tribe will not allow this pipeline through our lands,” tribe President Cyril Scott said in a statement. “We will close our reservation borders to Keystone XL.”
The Rosebud Sioux Tribe is not alone in its opposition to the pipeline. A new alliance of ranchers and Native Americans oppose the pipeline in South Dakota, and a number of tribes have adopted tribal resolutions against the project. And some South Dakota tribes have even been “preparing for nonviolent battle with “resistance training” aimed at TransCanada,” reports McClatchy, adding that “they’re considering everything from vigils to civil disobedience to blockades to thwart the moving of construction equipment and the delivery of materials”

“I might respect Setnaffy had the choice been his. He never had one, ergo the problem…”

What choice was that? I’m a sinner who needs a Savior? That choice?

Please elucidate.

Link didn’t work:
http://www.wired.com/2014/11/usa-freedom-act-fails-in-senate/

“tbone, that vote happened because Democrats allowed it.”

Wrong, it ain’t about “allowing” and there ain’t any plural in democrat(s) because it was a democrat(stupid woman) as she was stupidly trying to look good/compete with the Louisiana/GOP even though she’s losing according to the polls by double digit #’s.

If she didn’t call for the vote a republican would’ve?

The question is…why don’t the democrats NOW call for the vote of recently nominated Attorney General/Federal Prosecutor Loretta Lynch instead of what they seem to be doing…wait until next year when the republicans can vote her down?

“Another black man pushes Asian onto NYC subway tracks”

What leads you to the say the assailant was black? I’ve seen this story on two major media sites and both seem to make a point of not saying what color they were which is what makes me think the guy was black but what’s your reason?

Ahh that would explain it then. The story didn’t interest me enough to go tracking down all the coverage. Find it odd that with the US being the anti-Korea in terms of safety measures why suicide doors aren’t standard on all public train systems. We’re talking about a country that won’t let you put neon lights on your car because it’s too distracting and could cause accidents.

tbone, NOTHING gets a vote in the Senate unless the Majority Leader (in this case Harry Reid) allows it.

The other is about Harry Reid, too.

I’m not saying there are no issues abot the GOP; but the Democrats currently own the White House and the Senate.

The Caucasian Grammys have gotten so superficial of late, I prefer to watch The Pasties, plus I hear it gets you bonus points on your White Card at the annual White People’s meeting.

Denny: “Michael Phelps self-proclaimed girlfriend admits she was born a MAN”

Actual Quote: “I was never a man”

Article: “Chandler was born a male however in name only, and is actually intersex, meaning she had male genitalia, but no testicles, while also having a uterus and no ovaries.”

Reality 1: It is exceedingly rare for a “man” to be born… with all known cases having to be a “boy” first.

Reality 2: She has the crazy lady look… or crazy dude-looks-like-a-crazy lady look… or something… and it would not be surprising to learn that Michael Phelps has no idea who the fukk she is.

Reality 3: Smokes is probably looking into swimming lessons.

GI Korea: “… I can understand why Phelps would think she was 100% female which really she now is.”

Biology argues differently. Naughty bits may have been cutoff, altered, or otherwise rearranged. Hormones and other chemicals may have been injected and otherwise administered as well. But nothing, absolutely nothing (with current medical technology), can change the fact that this “woman” is a male of the species. As we all know, boys and girls are different. It goes deeper than number of skin folds, shape and size of orifices, and artificially introduced chemicals.

Superficial differences are just that, superficial. Sex reassignment surgery cannot change chromosomes.
Even a man’s and woman’s bone structure differ to such an extent that the center of gravity of male and female bodies are different.

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2007/12/female-lower-back-has-evolved-to-accommodate-strain-of-pregnancy/

Also for clarification, does that make me…………..bicurious?

The corruption of a generation … belatedly.

Leon, she (as self-identified) was born intersex.

The “normal” rules of what differentiates the men and women (from the extreme ends of the gender scale we generally encounter) do not apply.

It is possible she is genetically every bit a woman… or it is even possible she has mosaic genetics… with both male and female cells.

There is not enough information in the article to determine her situation… if it even matters.

If her action and thinking are pleasingly feminine and her naughty bit are compatible, it would likely be much better to wake up with that each morning than with some of the 100% real-born “women” one encounters on a daily basis.

Sheesh… I’m starting to sound like Smokes rationalizing away his tranny habit.

The point is…Chickenhead etc…(because I’m so “annoying” right GI Korea?) is/are by definition a GOP LOVER(S)!!!

Ski club sides with ‘f*cking racist pussy’ white supremacist over neocon(former John McCain Hawk Advisor) in dispute..

So today, does the GOP prefer white supremacists over war hawks? I think the GOP LOVES both white supremacists and war hawks!!!

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/11/ski-club-sides-with-fcking-racist-pussy-white-supremacist-over-neocon-in-personal-dispute/
“A private ski club in the town recently sided with Spencer in a dispute with another member, Randy Scheunemann, a neoconservative foreign policy expert, former lobbyist for the Georgian government, and former advisor to Sen. John McCain (R-AZ).

The pair got into an argument during a chance encounter on a ski lift and then resumed the dispute during a Christmas party at the Big Mountain Club.

Spencer berated Scheunemann after learning he worked in Washington “for being a neocon and for believing in this whole democracy BS.”

Scheunemann – who called the 36-year-old Spencer a “f*cking racist pussy” in front of other members at the holiday event — told the club it must choose between him and the white nationalist.

The club chose to keep Spencer as a member and expelled Scheunemann – several weeks after the white nationalist was arrested and expelled from Hungary, where he was organizing an international congress of white supremacists…

…Jason Richwine, the co-author of a controversial Heritage Foundation(GOP) report criticizing a U.S. Senate immigration reform bill, had written a research study that found recent Hispanic immigrants had a “real cognitive deficit” compared to U.S.-born whites.

Richwine, who eventually resigned from the conservative think tank over his previous research, also had written for AlternativeRight.com, a web forum operated by Spencer and the white supremacist think tank he oversees.”

For Chickenhead because his English is VERY poor(as well as his math)…He needs to know what “amnesty” is as do SOOOOO many other GOP’s.

After he learns what “amnesty” is he can then explain what he said here…
“but her(Federal Prosecutor Loretta Lynch) record of fascism is even scarier than Holder’s…”

Hehehe, this ought to be good!!! Go ahead dummkoph = Chickenhead, tell us all about the fascism of Loretta Lynch?

Obama speech script…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/transcript-obamas-immigration-speech/2014/11/20/14ba8042-7117-11e4-893f-86bd390a3340_story.html

“I know some of the critics of the action call it amnesty. Well, it’s the not. Amnesty is the immigration system we have today. Millions of people who live here without paying their taxes or playing by the rules, while politicians use the issue to scare people and whip up votes at election time. That’s the real amnesty, leaving this broken system the way it is. Mass amnesty would be unfair. Mass deportation would be both impossible and contrary it to our character.

What I’m describing is accountability. A common sense middle- ground approach. If you meet the criteria, you can come out of the shadows and get right with the law. If you’re a criminal, you’ll be deported. If you plan to enter the U.S. illegally, your chances of getting caught and sent back just went up.”

Obama’s immigration order gives tech community some – but not all – of what it wants

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/11/20/obamas-immigration-order-will-give-tech-community-some-but-not-all-of-what-it-wants/

Old news, but even a lazy troll attempt by Tom is welcomed after this overload of CH vs. TBone poop. 😛

BTW, I think tbone is probably just thinking he can convince us that volume equals quality. But I still hope someone intervenes for him.

He seems torn between (on the one hand) wanting to drive certain folks away with his filth and drivel, and (on the other hand) engaging in “magic thinking” that Democrat social programs will usher in the Jubilee…

He writes (or at least cuts and pastes) like he really believes that having more and more people on unemployment and/or foodstamps will drive the economy towards Utopia (instead of bankruptcy and ruin).

John Wayne famously said, “Life is hard; its harder when you’re stupid.” Perhaps tbone should “change the channel” or just “MoveOn”.

Princess Leia, walking for 10 hours in NY City:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DCDYSJwwE4

Here’s a tip on dieting… http://nakediwilldepart.org/

Leon, you’re saying never seen God’s work in your life, or that you have and you rejected it anyway. But I have seen it in mine, and my family. Nothing dramatic like seas parting or the like; but if we meet we could chat about it over a seasonally-appropriate beverage.

You think I believe in “magic thinking”; but unfortunately, that doesn’t fit the facts. We all have faith in something. Your faith seems to be that either God doesn’t exist. Mine is based on the Bible and my need for a Savior.

Pardon me for mentioning it; but we’re all imperfect. We all make mistakes. Sometimes big ones. If you’re reading this, you, like me, have been blessed to avoid getting killed while blundering around. And I believe it’s because He isn’t finished with us yet.

You’re entitled, under the US Constitution, to believe what you want. As long as you live.

And then, if I’m right, you’ll meet Jesus.

Got it Setnaffy. You believe that a cosmic zombie (who was his own father), born from a ‘virgin’, can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in all humans because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree and thereby pissing off an invisible wizard who lives in the sky (who couldn’t find the only 2 humans on Earth)? Seems legit.

Every one of the extinct religions had adherents who were just as fervent as you. When yours evolves into something else or dies out all together, well, it will be the same. One thing I do know, some of the bitterest, meanest, unhappy people I have ever met claim to be Christians, and the more hardcore they are about it, the unhappier they seem and the worse they treat others. Isn’t that odd?

Any way, you certainly have the freedom to believe anything you like as well. I’d fight to protect that right. But I’d ask you to kindly please not vote. 😛

Cheers!

Cosby Show and the attack on Bill. Why? Because he helped Obama, it all makes sense now! The GOP is behind the attack on Bill Cosby.
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2014/10/07/did-the-cosby-show-help-obama-get-elected/
Q: So explain that idea, because a number of people have made it, and you talk about it in the book, that if not for Bill Cosby and “The Cosby Show,” Obama might not be president.

A: Well, the person who made the point, 15 minutes after Barack Obama was elected president in 2008, was Karl Rove. He was on Fox News. And he was talking to Chris Wallace about the social significance of the election.

And they pointed out for the first time, we were going to have an African-American family in the White House. And Karl Rove said, no, wait a second, you know, we’ve already had an African-American family that was sort of America’s family, and that was the Huxtables and “The Cosby Show.”

From dictionary.com :

amnesty

1. a general pardon for offenses, especially political offenses, against a government, often granted before any trial or conviction.

2. Law. an act of forgiveness for past offenses, especially to a class of persons as a whole.

3. a forgetting or overlooking of any past offense.

CH: “On Fascism:”

“but to give an idea… fradulent elections are a component of fascism and she opposes Voter ID laws which help insure there is no voter fraud”

Don’t forget how the GOP is most recently ALL in on election fraud using twitter. F****** FASCISTS!

You also forgot the cut back on early voting in key swing states/voting on college campuses which have gone hand in hand with Voter ID laws, all initiated by the GOP to quash the vote.

Chickenhead is for gutting voting rights = Chickenhead is a FASCIST!

Or is it that Chickenhead is a racist? Which do you favor more Chickenhead, racism or fascism?

Why don’t you tell us all about the “communist agenda of Loretta Lynch?”

I think Loretta Lynch is more against bringing race/racism(the darker skin type) into Voter ID laws.

If you could you’d want us all to believe you without any questions and that you could lead us(so we should follow you) to a greater good. Chickenhead is a FASCIST!

CH: “It is quite amazing that long-term Democrat supporters such as unions are completely silent on this” – what Chickenhead would have you believe is Obama’s immigration plan.

But who has suppressed the labor Unions? Ahhh haaaaah, the GOP = Fascists!

Rand Paul calls out GOP over voter fraud claims
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/rand-paul-gop-voter-fraud
“Sen. Rand Paul thinks the GOP might be over-hyping instances of voter fraud, and that Republicans shouldn’t scrap early voting.

“There is still some fraud, and so we should stop that,” the Kentucky senator, considered a leading potential contender for the GOP’s 2016 presidential nomination, told former Obama adviser David Axelrod during a sit-down Tuesday at the University of Chicago.

“Although the incidence of fraud is relatively small,” Axelrod said.

“It probably is, and I think Republicans may have over-emphasized this. I don’t know,” replied Paul, who made clear that, like most of his party, he supports voter ID requirements.

Republicans have cited fraud to justify a host of restrictions on voting in recent years, including strict voter ID laws in Texas, North Carolina, and other states. They’ve continued to seize on any opportunity to highlight fraud, even though studies have conclusively shown that the amount of such fraud is so small as to be statistically insignificant.”

GOP Benghazi report obliterates Fox News’ version of Benghazi

The report was released on a Friday and foxnews ain’t talking about it on TV. Hehehe!!!

http://jaybookman.blog.ajc.com/2014/11/22/gop-led-report-obliterates-fox-news-version-of-benghazi/
“That’s pretty much a slam-dunk refutation of the entire Benghazi conspiracy theory so avidly argued by many conservatives, and again, it comes from the Republican-led House Intelligence Committee. Similar press accounts of the committee findings were filed by NPR, the Washington Post, The Hill, NBC, etc. The whole right-wing Benghazi narrative is exposed for what it always was, which is nonsense.

Of course, no media outlet has been more fixated on Benghazi than Fox News. Here’s the story and headline on the Fox home page, in such tiny text it had to be highlighted so you can find it:…”

Gambling nuke commander linked to fake poker chips

The admiral fired last year as No. 2 commander of U.S. nuclear forces may have made his own counterfeit $500 poker chips with paint and stickers to feed a gambling habit that eventually saw him banned from an entire network of casinos, according to a criminal investigative report obtained by The Associated Press.

Though Rear Adm. Timothy M. Giardina’s removal as deputy head of U.S. Strategic Command was announced last year, evidence of his possible role in manufacturing the counterfeit chips has not previously been revealed. Investigators said they found his DNA on the underside of an adhesive sticker used to alter genuine $1 poker chips to make them look like $500 chips.

Giardina, who remains on the Navy payroll as a staff officer in Washington, was never charged with counterfeiting. Instead he was found guilty in May 2014 of two counts of conduct unbecoming an officer — lying to an investigator and passing fake gambling chips. He was given a written reprimand and ordered to forfeit $4,000 in pay.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/11/22/gambling-nuke-commander-linked-to-fake-poker-chips/?intcmp=latestnews

If this guy was enlisted, he would of been icarcerated/discharged.

Leon,

“Tbone posting a wall of text. mmmm

Setnaffy calling someone out for “magic thinking” priceless!”

It’s not like you’re full of creativity, you’re either anti-religion/setnaffa or kissing Chickenhead’s buttocks in the tree.

“He who is without sin can cast the first stone”

And, you don’t have to read the “wall of text” now do you? Perhaps you should provide a link or two once in a while so you’re not always SAME SAME = Leon!!

I know I’m not the only one sick of a certain someone’s desire to hijack every single open thread…

Enough dude, let other people talk once and a while; you’re the new RetiredGI only with Tom’s attitude and talent for humor.

Amnesty ~ Chickenhead Style…Where was the GOP vitriol uproar in 2012???

It must be okay for illegals to volunteer for the military and not a peep be heard. Why weren’t there threats of gov’t shutdown or an Obama impeachment? Hypocrits! Shame Shame Shame, illegals serving in the USA military.

‘Undocumented immigrants can now serve in the military, says Department of Defense
Policy change will allow recruiters to target up to 1,500 foreign nationals with specialized skills who arrived in the U.S. before age 16.’
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/undocumented-immigrants-join-u-s-military-dod-article-1.1953440
“Immigrants who came to the U.S. with their parents before age 16 are eligible and may be part of a broader strategy to create new paths to citizenship. There are up to 2 million immigrants living in the U.S. illegally who might qualify for the MAVNI program through 2012’s Deferred Action for Child Arrivals program.”

Tbone, as I have stated before, “illegal aliens” who came to America as children are likely socialized primarily as Americans. If they are willing to serve in the military and can demonstrate they are “American” in thinking, values, and the belief in promoting America over the country of their birth, they should be given American citizenship… as they likely ARE Americans.

Immigration “reform” should be about abolishing the perverse systems of incentives to import those who don’t share American values and don’t have the best interests of America in mind. Further, immigration should be one of the indirect tools government uses to manage the labor force with cost/benefit in mind for the nation and its citizens rather than as a tool to generate more private profit at public expense.

Obama’s immigration “reform” program should have been coupled with very clear disincentives for more illegal immigrants to flood in and abuse the system.

I can’t say for sure that it will turn out this way, but it would be clearly wrong to thin out the ranks of the military due to spending cuts and then turn around and fill those positions back up with illegal immigrants just to allow them a path to citizenship.

I believe we have spoken about this before.

Perhaps the GOP cannot defund the new orders for USCIS, but I have a hard time believing that these 5 million people will be able to pay for the processing fees for the paperwork to grant them temporary amnesty.

In that case I can only see 2 outcomes for the president’s plans:

1. USCIS will lower the fees specifically for this class of people and subsidize the fees using funds from those who have followed the rules and paid their fees in full.

2. Many of these people will simply decide not to participate and perhaps wait for a better deal to come along.

Even if the GOP can’t defund USCIS in particular, I am sure they have other ways to counter the president’s actions. Whether or not they will be productive, who knows?

A bipartisan tone has been set for the next 2 years. I can’t see how anything will get done, but then again what’s new?

At the very least, the republicans should flood the president’s desk with any decent bills they can. The president will have to start vetoing or signing bills into law, now that Dirty Harry won’t be able to run defense for him.

In closing I would like to present a scenario:

You are at home and someone rings your doorbell. When you answer the door you find 2 flaming bags on your porch, and various other smaller, flaming bags scattered across the lawn.

Upon closer inspection, you find that all the bags obviously contain dog shit.

You only have enough fire extinguisher to extinguish one bag and will likely have to stomp out the others.

What do you do?

The bags on the lawn don’t have nearly as much shit in them and would be good candidates to step into, but they never really made it anywhere close to your porch and will burn themselves out rather quickly in isolation.

That leaves the two on the front porch.

The answer becomes more evident.

You must use the extinguisher on the one that is fullest of shit and though it may be disgusting, you have to hold your nose and get up close and personal with the other bag of shit.

Imagine this plays out almost exactly the same way every two years.

Welcome to the American election cycle. Sometimes the best option seems like letting the house burn down.

“Jeb Bush: Time For Gop Congress To Pass Amnesty Bill”

Well, it’s been a few years since anyone really had a good reason to say it but it looks like he’s trying to bring it back in style:

“BUCK FUSH!!!!”

Satnaffa, I must say that your answer is disappointing.

In all honesty, you are now marketing Christianity to me like a shady used car dealer trying to get me on the lot where high-pressure emotional tactics have a better chance of overcoming fact-based comparative shopping by the consumer.

I’m not saying this to offend you… but as an honest observation on the flow of our conversation.

I am sure your church is filled with kind and well-meaning people and I, on my best behavior, would get along nicely with them and enjoy myself. I do appreciate the invitation, even if I am unlikely to take you up on it.

None-the-less, my reasonable questions remain unanswered… as they have for my entire life.

These are not intentionally tricky “Did Adam and Eve have belly buttons?” questions.

Defining the boundaries of what constitutes sinful suicide and what demonstrates deep faith in God’s will should be on the mind of EVERY true believing Christian… and the answer should be as automatic as quoting favorite scripture…

….as seemingly innocent actions like having that extra doughnut could be considered a suicidal act while getting a medical checkup or buckling a seatbelt could be considered a lack of faith in God’s ability to care for his flock… or worse, a desire to overcome God’s will. The result, based on Christian beliefs, is eternal damnation for acts that may be well-intentioned due to ignorance or may be self-serving with full knowledge.

These questions should not be answered to satisfy me… but should be answered to fill in a large gap in the Christian belief structure… which, true believers, should immediately see a serious existential issue.

Satnaffa, I am not teasing you on this. I seriously would like an answer… and, perhaps an answer why most Christians don’t even consider this treacherous yet obvious pathway to Hell as an issue worth consideration and resolution.

Returning to the basic issue, Christians have asked me to accept Christianity through faith alone… yet generally have demonstrated through their actions very little faith that God will care for them, that they accept God’s will without trying to influence it to their benefit, or that they believe so strongly in the afterlife that they will happily accept death if offered to them.

As a rational person shown irrational and contrary behavior, this influences not only my ability to accept the beliefs of Christianity but also my ability to respect them.

I have explained my reasoning honestly and sincerely.

I hope you can understand this and I hope you consider this issue further, perhaps with other church members. If you don’t wish to do it for me, you should certainly do it for yourself…

…as, per your stated beliefs, it could mean the difference between heaven and hell.

CH,

As I said, your questions are fine; but they show you’ve been misled about what the Bibles tells us about God’s grace. Christianity is not about what rules to follow, regardless of what others may say. It’s about getting to know Jesus personally. God gave us His Word so we could know Him. And begin to understand there are really only two “religions” in the world:

The two religions are
1. My actions will save me, if I follow the rules.
2. Jesus Christ will save me if I just call on Him.

Acts 2:21 “And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”,

Christians are not perfect. We all have moments of temptation, fear and doubt. And being affluent tends to make us dependent on the wrong things. But God hasn’t changed. And His promises still stand. I was “forced” to go to church as a child and in spite of a lot of teaching and preaching it took me a while to internalize a lot of it. I developed a deeper faith because of things that happened around and to me in the last eight years.

Newton’s Laws of Physics apply too. Every action has a consequence. You may remember what Mickey Mantle said: “If I knew I was going to live this long, I’d have taken better care of myself.” That’s about Quality of life, not Eternal Salvation or Quantity of life here on Earth.

If you choose not to visit the church, you can listen to their weekly podcasts in your own time and away from others who might mock you. It might help you answer the questions.

“sending billions of basically good people to Hell through no fault of their own”

There was only one good man. Jesus. And we crucified him. For our crimes.

We’re all imperfect. We all fall short of the righteousness God demands. We all deserve eternal separation. But God sent His Son to die in our place so that we would have a way out.

No one goes to Hell unwillingly. The only way there is to reject Jesus. Simple truth. Too simple for some folks. Either Jesus’ death paid for all sin or it did not. If it did not, we’re all still headed for Perdition. I believe it did and we have a way to know if we’re headed to Heaven instead…

1 John 5:12 (ESV) “Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.”

I’ve seen pro quarterbacks fumble a snap. I’ve seen surgeons make mistakes. I’ve watched singers with wonderfully-trained voices miss a note. Because they’re human. Like all of us.

You have seen Christians who were still imperfect humans. We all have (many of us every time we look in the mirror). The Bible points out that we are not capable of being perfect on our own. We all still make mistakes. Even after years of going to church and studying the Bible. In fact, the Bible is full stories of people who made multiple mistakes but kept on trusting God to keep His promises.

The Devil trying to keep you away from considering whether you want to know Jesus personally. I heartily recommend you contact Nelson C. or Steve H. over at Songtan Baptist if you want to hear about the way from guys who won’t shovel bovine waste in your Cheerios. (Not that I would; but we’ve probably never met. It’s easier to tell who someone really is over coffee.)

Setnaffa, I am increasingly disappointed in your diversions, misdirections, and avoidance of directly answering reasonable questions.

I had hoped to a have an enlightening conversation with you on this… as you occasionally inject Christianity into various topics… so it must be important to you… so you must have some deeper idea of fundamental concepts… and it seemed a good chance for you to openly explain them to a willing audience instead of being stuck intermittently trying to introduce Christianity by stealth to a difficult crowd.

Instead, I got the standard shallow talking points… most (all?) of which I have heard before.

Setnaffa, I still think you are a nice and sincere guy… and I think you hold many reasonable opinions about the world which you can likely explain in detail.

But on this topic, I’m not sure you can explain the details or rationalize your beliefs without resorting to avoidance, circular logic, and magic. I won’t hold this against you, as it is the standard rather than the exception…

…and, rather than the standard, it may actually be the absolute.

Perhaps, some day, one of us will see the Light.